i want more bud help me out
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nikk
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wyteboy,the reason why i said short stocky plants is because when you have small wattage lights and tall plants,the higher you put the lights-the farther away from the lower leaves it is,so if the lower leaves arent getting enough light then you'll just end up with small popcorn buds at the bottom of the plants,thats why i sent you them links because you would still be able to pull a monster yield(for the amount of watts)while keeping it low profile,low enough that the light hits every part of the plants(lower branches as well as side branches)get it now??
podunk421
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Nowhere near the truth bud, I have grown with both and the difference is night and day. Granted the T-5's are a little more pricey but you can find them almost as cheap as stick up 2 foot T-8s you get at wallyworld ( look on craigslist or ebay). Given you want more bang for your buck the T-5's will leave T-8's sitting in the dust, and for money vs output CFL's blow T-8's out of the water if done properly. T-8's are good for micro grows and when you dont have CFL's. The root structure you get from them is so slow growing and miniscule it takes you 2x-3x the vegging period to grow 1 foot plants and your still working with double the bulbs a T-5 setup would need. After having done both I dont even reccomend T-8s or T-12's and would even reccomend CFL's over them with the difference in growth I have seen. T-5's are outstanding for small grows and the price to lumen output is far greater than with any under cabinet style T-8's or T-12's hands down.
nikk
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to be honest bro,i recommend you grow 2
that way you wont have to deal with space issues but you CAN grow 3,but like i said you gonna want to keep them short,so i recommnd you fim the hell outta them that way they stay short but get bushy,veg them till about 13 inches then flower
edit...keep them at 13 inches then flower,veg them and keep fimming while it fills out real bushy then you put them to flower
podunk421
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No, I meant that with some hunting you can find T-5's for the same price as a similar length T-8's at the walmart price through online retailers and ebay. Ideally a MH (Metal Halide/Ceramic Metal Halide) conversion would be your best bet for vegging but T-5's are good because they have such little heat issues and are extremely efficient for their size. If your working with bigger (400w,600w,1000w) systems get a conversion bulb and utilize your system to really crank out the veg cycle quickly and efficiently.
wyteboy
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hey another question with my two 150 watt hps bulbs how far away shud i have them from the plant? and what numbered soil shud i get because i cant get the fowfarm soil unless i drive an hour away to get so wud be somthin good at walmart or home depot and what nute can i get at them places that i can put in the water or mix in the soil to make the best plant possible with them sources i need this help
podunk421
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Walmart has a decent selection of soils, not really too sure what they have thats the best but try and stay away from any sort of time released fertilizer soils. Miracle grow is rampant but not the best (aside from the blood and bone meal fertilizers) and they are way off ph wise to really run with, although you can have success with them. Sorry I dont have any dead on advice as far as that goes. As for the lights, so long as you have good airflow you can get them as close as a few inches being that they are lower powered setups.
cowboylogic
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You want to grow big killer crops but driving 1 hr to get quality things you need would be a issue? Think I will leave this one alone. Good Luck
wyteboy
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thanks i knew bout the miracle grow so i geuss ill jus find somthn different than them two or i might just take that hour trip i dnt know have u heard of black kow? is that any good? i grew a few plants in it but barely got ne bud
stoner1984
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fact is, its gona be harder to grow big bud on a small budget, investment and knowlage will get you bigger bud... doesnt matter what lights you get if you dont know how to grow.
wyteboy
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its not like that im not on a small budget but not on a huge one i was just trying to find another good soil so i didnt have to drive for 2 hours to get foxfarms i mean eventually i will end up that way and get it but other than that i keep asking what nutes i shud get but no answers stoner1984 can u help me with that?
podunk421
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Exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself
You dont seem to be listening or your just not understanding. Without a set soil you cant go into nutes because you dont know what your base point is. You have lights, so we can give you advice on just that, lights. Until you pick a soil you wont get any nute recommendations since nobody knows what to adjust for in your soil. An hour really is not that far, I misread your other post thinking it said you didn't have access to it at all and thats why I suggested looking around. If its only an hour then go drive and get it. Your going to invest months into a grow and your willing to get sub grade starting equipment because of an hour of your time. I think you need to re-evaluate whether you want to grow and how much you really want to grow a nice plant cause if your willing to skimp on an hour in an effort to grow you will no doubt skimp on other areas and will never get the "high times centerfold" you want so bad.
cowboylogic
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Ok, here we go. Make the trip and get some Happy Frog and Ocean Forest. Mix then at a rate of 2/3 OF and 1/3 HF. This mix will feed them just fine for at least 3 or 4 weeks. Should get through the veg stage. So, no veg nutes needed. Get yourself a bottle of Advanced Nutrients Iguana Juice bloom, Technaflora Pura Vida (personally have not used. But have friends that really like it, simple.), just looking for a one dose does it all product. Uncle Ben says Dyna Grow veg/bloom contain all 16 goodies a plant needs to grow. Bet he is spot on. Lots of choices. If you can afford it get a small thing of Humboldt Myco Madness. Add a bottle of unsulphered blackstrap molases (this you get at wally world!) Feeding that good soil you traveled too get is as important as your plant nutes. A ph pen and your off and running on your first indoor grow. Simple is really better. I have tons of different things I have aquired over the years. Anymore though, just stick to the basics, treat them right and enjoy. The other things you can add later if you feel the need and as you learn. Indoors is a completely different beast from the outdoors. Indoors Mother Nature rarely is willing to help! LOL Keep it simple the first time. Dont rush, overwater or overfeed. Let your girls just do their thing. PEACE
cowboylogic
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Well said Pod.Exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself
You dont seem to be listening or your just not understanding. Without a set soil you cant go into nutes because you dont know what your base point is. You have lights, so we can give you advice on just that, lights. Until you pick a soil you wont get any nute recommendations since nobody knows what to adjust for in your soil. An hour really is not that far, I misread your other post thinking it said you didn't have access to it at all and thats why I suggested looking around. If its only an hour then go drive and get it. Your going to invest months into a grow and your willing to get sub grade starting equipment because of an hour of your time. I think you need to re-evaluate whether you want to grow and how much you really want to grow a nice plant cause if your willing to skimp on an hour in an effort to grow you will no doubt skimp on other areas and will never get the "high times centerfold" you want so bad.