Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

[Babs34]

oregonmeds... and this is the same guy that confesses to be a devout christian. <~~~ still laughing at him

Keep laughing, it's her, moron.
See how well you follow.

 

[Babs34]

and go find where I say I am devout...once a liar, always a liar.

 

[Babs34]

Oregon.... good post.... and that's been said about ten times now off and on.....

It's like logic quicksand...

And you just keep impressing me less and less CJ.
Why your need to chime in with this BS?...NOT the disbelief, just the bs.

 

[Babs34]

It's as if you have some uncanny ability to ignore things that don't fit your beliefs...

It's like dejavu I swear I said you'd do that before you did. Maybe that makes me a psychic athiest.

Keep saying that while EVERYONE PROVES MY POINT.........
BY IGNORING ME. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
LET'S ALL COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID CHRIST IS NOT A DEBATE NOW.
NAHHHHHHHHH, NOT WORTH IT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[anhedonia]

Keep saying that while EVERYONE PROVES MY POINT.........
BY IGNORING ME. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
LET'S ALL COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID CHRIST IS NOT A DEBATE NOW.
NAHHHHHHHHH, NOT WORTH IT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Who cares. Christ.

 

[Babs34]

Who cares. Christ.

Yeap....aren't you the little comedian. Hardy HAR HAR

But seriously CJ, I've seen a side of you that is just "not right."
You have GONE OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DEFEND ISLAM/MUSLIMS........AND out of your way to BELITTLE Christianity.
You are defending something INdefensible and you know only a very little about.
You claim to know A LOT about Christianity......but still choose to defend islam....EVEN OPENLY WELCOME IT........sharia, the whole nine yards.
Something VERY not right about that.
AT ALL.

 

[IAm5toned]

Keep saying that while EVERYONE PROVES MY POINT.........
BY IGNORING ME. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
LET'S ALL COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID CHRIST IS NOT A DEBATE NOW.
NAHHHHHHHHH, NOT WORTH IT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

there he goes with the insults again

i said he on purpose, because it vexes you so still laughing

wait, thats not right... sorry let me fix it:

there he goes with that condenscending tone again

 

[OregonMeds]

Yes I'm really all twisted up by insults...

Babs I don't think you're seeing what CJ's trying to prove. It's all going right over your head or something.

My guess is he's only defending islam to show you how absurd cristianity is, but so far nobody's putting two and two together.

Just a guess...

 

[Babs34]

there he goes with the insults again

i said he on purpose, because it vexes you so still laughing

wait, thats not right... sorry let me fix it:

there he goes with that condenscending tone again

I see you over in your corner stoned........lonely and bored....with your condensending tone there.
A little something to hold you over.
islam DEFINED TO A TEE
Fascism
often capitalizeda political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Now go look up mahdi before you think you're going to be posting something ingenious to me......AGAIN.

 

[PadawanBater]

muslims are calling for a caliphate.....they are desperately attempting to instill sharia around the globe. They are succeeding too. They will not stop until islam rules the world.
I've actually stopped reading the news, watching it AND studying islam. I've learned more than enough to know what I need to.
my intention was only to respond to how ridiculous it is to fear Christian doctrine
I WON'T debate Islam...if you can read, it's all there. The problem is no one wants to take the time to figure out what they are defending.
You don't know what you are saying when you say you will tolerate it........
I wiped my computer completely of that evil shit......ALONG with all of my notes. It would make it so much harder to debate without them.
Every person posting to me has proven they have been sold a version of islam that just isn't real.......and every last one of you is capable of reading it for yourself. Buy the quran, hadiths.....or choose to ignore it. If the time is actually taken to do so, I definitely will not be accused of being an alarmist. Obviously your choice. Mere words just don't describe it and I just won't take the time to debate it, because honest to God....it would be reliving evil having to even acknowledge it.
And low and behold as soon as I post...what do I see?
Pandaboy, look.....you are a LIAR too. You said you were going to put me on ignore.
Thou shalt not kill.....exactly....as if you have a point either.
Quit projecting ...you are slow, repetitive and ignorant.
Hey genius.....you still can't back up anything you claim.
The OT is nothing but a recount of history according to prophets. They royally screwed it up. How slow can one be? I DON'T TAKE THE OT AS THE LITERAL WORD OF GOD.
Muslims DO take the quran as the LITERAL word of God.
You are such an angry person. Take your negative energy and expend it elsewhere.
Why does it matter to you if it's real or not? And who are you to say I've NOT had encounters with Christ?
Why would this even POSSIBLY "concern" you. At least if it's a fairy tale, it's a nice fairy tale......and it doesn't affect you in any negative way.
Geez...people don't read.

OK Babs, I'm trying to be civil here. I'm not coming with any hostility at all, I'm sitting here smoking a bowl just chilling out on this rainy day. Where would we be if we just kept arguing back and fourth... nowhere, each of us wouldn't gain anything from either interaction, so lets put some meaning into it. I'm going to explain my views to you as honest as possible, I need you to read it and consider my perspective, or the perspective of the individuals I talk about, otherwise you won't be able to understand where I'm coming from or why I believe the things I do. It's a good excercise, so just give it a try.

OK, you said Muslims are trying to take over the world. I personally do not feel very threatened by Islam taking over the world. Same goes for Christianity, I don't think these things can "take over the world" in any kind of real sense. 85% of America is "Christian" and I still don't feel like me or my beliefs are being "taken over by Christianity". Like I said before about the appearance of Islam, you and I both know how dangerous it is, most of the western world is in agreement as well. We know it's a barbaric ritualistic cult. It's so highly unlikely for Islam to become even a major threat to us, our values, our legal system, anything, that it's not even really worth mentioning. Fuck Sharia law, any atheist or rational thinking person would never submit to that, ever, under no circumstances. I can't even imagine why you would think someone could actually FORCE Sharia law upon us.

You can NEVER know enough about something.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all to fear Christian doctrine. For a few reasons, but you said you didn't want to discuss Christianity, and this thread's not about that, so I'll leave it at that.

Again, I've never defended Islam. I am in complete agreement with you that it is dangerous.

I can tolerate tolerance, but I'll never tolerate intollerance, what you suggest with the domination of Islam in the western world is explicitly in conflict with tolerance, therefor, I would NOT tolerate it.

I didn't say I was going to put you on ignore, I said "consider yourself ignored"... then something along the lines of "I'm only going to use you now as a jumping off point for Christian stupidity...". Here, I'll go get the quote... fuck it, can't seem to find it right now... Anyway, wanna retract that?

Not all Muslims take the Quran as the litteral word of Allah. Will you at least acknowledge that much?

Religion, as an atheist, affects my life on a daily basis.

 

[IAm5toned]

never said i wasnt bored... but as far as lonely i have you to keep me company for the time being it seems.
but to point out the obvious- you said it yourself in the definition-

a political philosophy

My tolerance is on empty now.

If you truly are more scared of what is being taught via the words of Christ as opposed to the teachings of Mohammad, there is something severely wrong with you---believer or not.

I can't make islam or any other religion disappear. What I CAN do is to know better than to invite their way of life into my country

uh huh.... not a fascist? i beg to differ. those are your own words

 

[CrackerJax]

Fascism
often capitalizeda political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti)

that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

That definition fits the Vatican TO A TEE!!

Yes, Oregon, that was my point. We keep going over the same ground and getting nowhere.

 

[IAm5toned]

agreed. the vatican would gain alot of credibilty if they would abandon there mission of SPREADING the word and try LIVING the word they spread.
but what fun is a world without hypocrisy

 

[CrackerJax]

The church is basically a socialist theocracy.

 

[Stoney McFried]

Well, it's hard to tell what attitude is being presented over the net;my bad.I recall we had a very calm conversation, most certainly.But I do disagree that we should fear Islam more than Christianity.For one thing, Christianity is much more present in day to day American life.So it wins just by proximity.If I were nearer the middle east, I'm sure you'd hear me bitching about Islam.

Stoney, I don't know why you even find anything I posted to you as insulting.
Stating that I would use simple language was in no way, form or manner intended to be an insult. It was only to suggest that I wasn't going to go on some flowery Jesus vigilante.
I guess you don't recall that you and I had a very calm and positive conversation months ago regarding religion.
::can't win for losing on this thread::
LOL, where are all the CHRISTIANS?

BTW, I think you got those statistics from the web site I put on here.
It's kind of silly to compare a percentage of evil verses from the quran vs. the Bible. There is VERY LIMITED writing in the quran as opposed to the Bible.....also not factored in were the Hadiths---which is where a TON of the verses would be sited.
I also did not insinuate that you would not read. At that point, I had already repeated myself over and over regarding some things. By the time I had posted, three more people had "challenged" me.
Nope Stoney, I'm not mad that "you" (or any one else for that matter) are down on Christians. As far as I'm concerned, mock it til your fingers bleed...no one has the right to never be offended.
I say both Christianity and Islam have done their share to thwart the progress of mankind.
.....and I agreed. In fact, several times over.
When I began to post, my stance was ALWAYS only that you cannot compare Christ and Mohammad.......you can't. They are extreme opposites.
I pointed out to "p" that his being scared of Christianity and our supposed need to take away from his values were without merit.
From that moment on......nothing but an attack.
And thus the laughter...beats getting upset.
Look, I already noted some took a whole lot of time to "break apart" my posts.
I'm not even going to read them right now. I DO have a life.
I may come back later tonight and respond. I may not.
One thing is for damn sure though.......I'm not going to be anyone's slab of meat.
Enough of the repeating...like I said, I've got a life.

 

[morgentaler]

Re: Mohammed. I'll have to hunt it down. I believe it was referenced in The End of Faith, but that's one of several audiobooks I have and I'll have to find a textual reference.

Remember that Mohammed spent the first three to five years just hanging out and writing scripture and trying to win over followers. Oh, there's no doubt he was an incredible asshole, but like any cult you win over your initial followers with honey, not swords.

Anyway, the book indicated that the Quran was restructured by the clerics to an order they found more suitable. Heavily edited, just like the bible.

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/24/online.bible/

As for Jesus's quote, this is the third time I've posted this in response to the merry Christian group in these various threads, and each time it's ignored so another straw man can be torched:

15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

He is directly chastising them for making a commandment of God have no effect, by not murdering the child who speaks back.

How very Christian of him.

And no, I'm not about to accuse you of abuse. I have no evidence to that effect. I'd accuse you of ignorance of the words of your own prophet.

But really, it's not a big deal. Historically we can see that Mohammed was crazy, dangerous, and real. Jesus, on the other hand was just crazy and dangerous. The whole real part is still pretty much unproven, due to the lack of evidence in the historial record.

You also might want to consider that by the time Mohammed was born, Chrisianity was already imperialist and spreading thanks to Constantine, and what Christians and Jews would consider attacks might have been considered retribution by the Muslims. I'm not taking sides on that. Just pointing it out because both are going to have a huge bias, and killing people over whose imaginary friend is better is incredibly stupid.

Would you care to show me where he preached the peace and harmony? I already know of the only couple of sources you could possibly get that. But guess what? You can't proclaim yourself peaceful by saying "there is no compulsion in religion"...while endlessly declaring jihad and teaching your followers to fight/subject/kill those who refuse to believe. Kind of hypocritical, wouldn't you say?
And you are wrong. The quran has NO order, NONE. It's read by order in length of the surah (chapter)
Every last "revelation" Mohammad had was taken from the Jews. He just switched everyting up to his liking....historical fact.
Jesus said murder children who talk back? Wow, you're tripping. Go look that one up. You're really lost there.
Are you referring to spare the rod, spoil the child? If so, what kid have you ever known that didn't need a good ass-whoopin in one way or the other at SOME point in their lives? I can't wait to see how I'm accused of abuse now, LOL.

You think it's because they were becoming more powerful, that they were being victimized for it? LOL, now come on. I don't know where you got this version of Islam, but you are off 100 percent already.

They had already been attacking the Jews at that time.

 

[morgentaler]

...Well I guess it's not totally unheard of, a "Christian" who doesn't follow half his own doctrine... Though it is almost the same excuse every time... "only the NT matters". But if that were really true, you'd discard it (and have the church officially discard it too). What's the difference? Both were written by the same kinds of men, both claim to be the word of God himself, so why can you throw out the OT so casually, what gives you that authority?

As the quote from Matthew showed, if Jesus was berating them for having ignored a commandment of the Old Testament, there is no excuse for a Christian to not follow it.

I've never "acted like a madman" on any thread I've posted on, like I said before, I couldn't give a damn less what subjective Christian meaning you hold or what unreachable golden standard I'm supposed to live up to in your mind. Believe I'm a madman if you want, I just speak logic and reason, if that threatens your agenda, then change your agenda.

I dunno. I think well thought out and readable posts are a sign of severe madness on the internet. Look around these forums. The general population likes to speak in caps, bold, and nonsensical half sentences increased 3 points in size.
That leaves us in the minority, and crazy by the majority standard.

That an atheist would agree that Jesus Christ says some things his own moral code would actually agree with in the Bible?!

There are things many of us could agree and disagree with. But we're not allowed to disagree with god, his son, his godson, sun god, whatever the whole arrangement was supposed to be

It's tougher for smart people to realize the dangers within Christianity until it's too late and their mind is already poisoned with thoughts, and in the case of a lot of people, especially children, actual beliefs of eternal torment and torture after death if they don't believe.

Only in societies where Christians have already indoctrinated themselves. Imagine living in a foreign country, in a village where the food supply has dried up, some people come into your village to help you, but they're telling you to accept these new gods. Do you risk offending them and losing the only sustenance that keeps you alive?

That's why you've seen such a dramatic increase in such outspoken atheists lately, lately being the past 5 or 6 years. More people are beginning to feel like that second option. We've had enough of your bullshit, we're simply not laying down and taking it any longer.

I love it when the Christian right gets angry for Atheists getting out and broadcasting their opinion. When Christians have been doing it for centuries, and have their own satellite channels specifically for evangelizing. Galileo was imprisoned and died just for being an astronomer and recording the facts of movement in the solar system, which angered the church. You and I shouldn't get to have opinions, because we're wrong (and not Christian).

The demise of religion is INEVITABLE if mankind reaches the future. If not, religion will undoubtably be the demise of man.

Very good point.

 

[morgentaler]

I'm merely pointing out that folks who worship in glass churches shouldn't throw stones.

If they did have glass churches it would make it easier to catch the clergy molesting kids at least.

 

[Brazko]

As for Jesus's quote, this is the third time I've posted this in response to the merry Christian group in these various threads, and each time it's ignored so another straw man can be torched:

15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

He is directly chastising them for making a commandment of God have no effect, by not murdering the child who speaks back.

How very Christian of him.

And no, I'm not about to accuse you of abuse. I have no evidence to that effect. I'd accuse you of ignorance of the words of your own prophet.
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Here, I'll answer it for you,


It's SARCASM..and he's speaking of the Absurdity of the NOtion of What they have Chosen to Tell,, These days we call them Snitches...RATs, also, a few verses down he says...........


15:10-11 Hear, and Understand: NOt that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but that which cometh out of the Mouth, this defileth a Man...

I have REspect for a lot of you that assume the Title of Atheist, you often present your point of view without trying to Mock a Person's belief, although, it's a rarity... The hypocrisy tho' of coming off like OMG, why is BAb being so insulting is like , really, come oN, Give me a fucking break, I just have no clue why She's acting that way.. and you can take it like you wanna, take it how you feel, But it's a Shit Load of Ignorants that continue to defile the Name Atheist..., these are the people you probably could get through to first if you are trying to make the world a better place, Oh, that's not part of the Agenda, Let me take on the entire World of Religion, Right, that's going to make a difference...,

 

[CrackerJax]

I must have missed the bible edition with the sarcasm indicators.