Dual Areoponic Cabinet, Ceramic Metal Halide

[cruzer101]

Amazing set up, wish I had been here from the start. Detail in your build and grow is excellent. Props cruzer!!!

Thanks DST,

I have done this half assed before and I want to do this right. I have always kept journals so I can go back and find out when I did what and let me tell ya, I have gone back many many times.

Turns out, its good for catching up too.
Welcome to the grow, please feel free to add comments or suggestions
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[cruzer101]

Wow I love the LED lights, they look awesome, your plants look so great too. Nice job!

Hi Matsuwa,

Welcome to roll it up and thanks for stopping by.
Yea, after 4 or 5 cabinet grows I think I finally got it right.
I like the looks of the LED's to but I like how they work better.

Looks like you may be just getting started. Feel free to ask any questions.
I got more time on my hands then I would like to admit.

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[fatigues]

Probably should have gone with some Bushmaster on those things a while back - but in any event - going hard at em now with Bushmaster is not going to hurt and may well help.

Scrog next time will prevent this if you jump on it fast enough; the perils of starting from seed, right?

What do you think about moving your chamber below this flower room to your other cab somehow and using that space to lower your plant rez and regain another foot of space or so of vertical grow space? Along with hitting it hard with Bushmaster - that approach could help your grow right now when you need it most.

 

[tom__420]

Bushmaster is best used in the beginning of flower. His plants are pretty much done stretching I would say...

 

[cruzer101]

Lookin good! How much longer do you think you have to go on the flower cab?

Hey Dense,

Glad to see you decided to stick around. My target is eight weeks and I flipped to flower 8/1 so that would put it at 9/26. I am sure the train wreck will be done by then but I am afraid the Widow is gonna need a couple weeks more. I figure I will start flushing 10/3 and let the widow finish off while the system flushes out. So about three weeks to cut.
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[cruzer101]

Cruzer, those flowers are booming!

They look nice but not as nice as yours, They are trying to catch up with there cousins... I think they got a good shot.
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[cruzer101]

FML ok finaly i got the right thread haha and scribed! now im along for the right ride cruzer. lookin good i got a lot of reading to do i see

Ha!

Dude, I thought you found this already, No biggie, roll a fatty and catch up. Good to have ya abord.

People if you want to see monsters, Check out Boomers grows. This guy does not fuck around.
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[cruzer101]

Probably should have gone with some Bushmaster on those things a while back - but in any event - going hard at em now with Bushmaster is not going to hurt and may well help.

Scrog next time will prevent this if you jump on it fast enough; the perils of starting from seed, right?

What do you think about moving your chamber below this flower room to your other cab somehow and using that space to lower your plant rez and regain another foot of space or so of vertical grow space? Along with hitting it hard with Bushmaster - that approach could help your grow right now when you need it most.
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Hi Fatigues,

Bush masters? I don't have that. I suppose it is like tiger bloom from Toms comment. I just hit them with what I would consider heavy nute load, 1000PPM for about 4 days. That included a new additive bloombastic with a NPK of 0-21-20 I do believe that helped boost the size but only after they started using it. From what I have seen if my res is at 700 to 800 PPMs then as the water level drops so does the PPMs Over 900 PPM and it stays even or increases. When it increases I believe the plants are not using the nutrients properly and expelling more plant salts. Evaporation is almost zero with this system I have taken that into consideration.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

About the available space, Thanks for the input, It makes me go over the reasons I did things. The flower area is where the magic happens and above all that has to be done right. The second thing is perpetual grow. I want young plants ready to transplant and flower the day I harvest.

I need that room under the flower chamber to do that unless I use the smaller cab to veg with. Then I lose a second floro flower area. I lose the buds that would produce and have nothing to compare with. I may end up going that route but first I want to see if I can get the timing down and have two flower areas.

My next attempt will include a screen that will be curved up on the sides.
I will train them so the buds will grow actually higher then the light on the sides but the upper fan leaves will still be about level with the bulb. The buds directly under the bulb should have enough clearance.

I have done it before, I over grew a grow on purpose to see what would happen and I got the highest yield I ever got in a cab. I burnt a few but still I got enough to make up for it. That will handle the height issue.

Heres a shot when I was in the smaller cab to give you an idea. I just copy and paste from the other journal.


And a shot with the kids.

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Just ended week six of flower, same deal 720ppm pH 6.0

Look like I got my vertical wall working now​

 

[fatigues]

Bushmaster is a product ideally used at the onset of flowering to stop vertical growth. It mainly kicks the crap out of internodal spacing, but it will reduce vertical growth, even at this relatively advanced stage of your grow. Successful use on sativas is reportedly mixed by some growers, but it does work well on indicas.

Product Blurb:
BUSHMASTER 4OZ (12/CASE)

Our proprietary kelp extract will speed up the transition to bloom while decreasing internode spacing resulting in tighter flower clusters and bushier compact plants. Works well in soil, hydro or as a foliar. A must have for omega gardeners or vertical growing systems.


Link to it here.

 

[DenseBuds]

Hey Dense,

Glad to see you decided to stick around. My target is eight weeks and I flipped to flower 8/1 so that would put it at 9/26. I am sure the train wreck will be done by then but I am afraid the Widow is gonna need a couple weeks more. I figure I will start flushing 10/3 and let the widow finish off while the system flushes out. So about three weeks to cut.
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Ya man... I'm not going anywhere . Once I get the cash to run an extra circuit, I'm going to use this journal as a guide for my cab!

With the amount of time you've been in flower, I'd say you're likely going to be OK height-wise. Most of my grows have stopped vertical (or seriously slowed) after 4-5 weeks into flower. They just fatten up after that.

 

[cruzer101]

Bushmaster is a product ideally used at the onset of flowering to stop vertical growth. It mainly kicks the crap out of internodal spacing, but it will reduce vertical growth, even at this relatively advanced stage of your grow. Successful use on sativas is reportedly mixed by some growers, but it does work well on indicas.

Product Blurb:
BUSHMASTER 4OZ (12/CASE)

Our proprietary kelp extract will speed up the transition to bloom while decreasing internode spacing resulting in tighter flower clusters and bushier compact plants. Works well in soil, hydro or as a foliar. A must have for omega gardeners or vertical growing systems.


Link to it here.

Hum, ok sounds good on paper, Have you used it?

 

[tom__420]

Hum, ok sounds good on paper, Have you used it?

I used it on my last grow on my church and thai super skunk. It works excellent man, it really kept the height down. Especially the thai super skunk which is a sativa

 

[cruzer101]

I used it on my last grow on my church and thai super skunk. It works excellent man, it really kept the height down. Especially the thai super skunk which is a sativa

Thats weird dude,
I was just looking at your 400w journal and saw you have it, then your 250w journal but didnt see it.
So that's your secret!

Cool. I will get some.

 

[tom__420]

Thats weird dude,
I was just looking at your 400w journal and saw you have it, then your 250w journal but didnt see it.
So that's your secret!

Cool. I will get some.

I would get the smallest bottle because the highest recommended dose is 2 teaspoons and I only used one teaspoon. I flushed the plants with the bush master just one day and it kept the height down to a very manageable size. I would pick up Gravity and Purple Maxx too because they also give excellent results from what I have read

 

[cruzer101]

Yea, I checked out the dosage you dont use much of it so 4 oz would last me quite a while. I dont mind the $15 but $15 to ship?

Where do you buy your stuff man.
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[tom__420]

I picked mine up at my local hydro store. I got the purple maxx and gravity there as well. I would suggest that so you don't have to pay for shipping

 

[cruzer101]

Cool,
I will check out my local place on Monday. Although I think I have had pretty good success with pruning I think this will work even better.

Now that I think about it, I have heard about it before but when I was just starting to train and at that time I was buying all kinds of nutes and passed on it.

 

[cruzer101]

Hey

OK, so I am going over my setup and looking at possible Yield.
I looked at all my previous journals and found yields to compare.

In the past I had a smaller area 36" x 18" and only used all of it once.
Most of the time I couldn't fill it correctly but this is what I got

These numbers are dried and cured manicured buds.

1st grow 73 grams
2nd grow 93 grams
3rd grow 149 grams
4th grow 122 grams

3rd grow was the largest as you can see,
4th was the best quality smoke with decent yield.

I found a site with an on line calculator, Yield o rama
The actual calculator link here.

Using 400 watt HPS and 4k lumen's per foot it came up with 36g per foot.
I assume that means they think 144 grams would be the yield at 4k per foot in that cab. Looks close to me.

I would like to know what you guys think of this thing.
Maybe you can visit the link, put in your stats and see if it is close.
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[cruzer101]

9-20-09

Temps 80 res 66°
PPMs 660

Started a new res in aero cab, 660ppm Ph 6.1
used calmag and bloombastic with nutes.

Topped off floro res. water, was 860 took it to 600ppm
Going to start watering more often in there.

Trimmed the girls up some and pulled out a runt.
Well could be it didn't get a fair chance so I planted her in potting soil.
I need a mother anyway. See how she turns out.
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[Healing Herb]

Hey Buddy, Glad to have found you! looking forward to following.

Your DIY chiller has already saved my seedlings!!

I am about to add a seedling heating mat to the set up to try and get the rootzone up in temp. Right now the cab sits at 68 - 70.

Thanks again for your GREAT documentation.