Why the hell are people against free health care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[hanimmal]

Everybody that wants free healhcare are the 1"s that are not working & are 1 1's that i am payin for. & by no strectch my childhood memories was i born with a silver spoon in my mouth i earned every dollar i made on my own. & everything i made i worked hard for it.

I hope you have a fun party man, I am sure it will be.

But would like to point out this is not giving people health insurance for free. It is getting it to them for an affordable price and hopefully take some pressure off of small businesses. The people with private insurance will not see any changes other than if they get sick they won't be dumped.

The people that want it for free already can get it through medicaid/care.

 

[brimon]

I work and pay taxes, i also pay for my own insurance and dont think that i need to pay for every broke person in the US to go to doctors.(especially if they are not legal citizens) taxes may go up dramatically and will only effect people paying them not people that get stuff for free, so i am against it. every person should be able to take care of themselves or have family that help them.

 

[headband707]

the reason i personally dont want it is because it brings us one step closer to fascism

which we already are damn close to...

fascism = merging of state and corporate powers


banks and mortgage companies - government take over

car companies - government take over

health care industry - government take over


whats next? cause you KNOW they arent going to stop there

the founding fathers would shit bricks if they saw what the government they created, which was supposed to protect our freedoms and our rights, is slow eroding them away

while at the same time they turn around and spin it so it looks like a good idea, til you read all of the crap they sneak in with each and every piece of legislation


congress doesnt read the bills, multiple members have even admitted to not reading them, while others complain they arent allowed to see it, OR

they do the sneak attack (climate change bill) where at the very last second they add 1000+ pages to the bill so its virtually impossible for one man to read it

then you have the ones saying that its useless reading whats in the bills

our government is not doing its job, which is to preserve the best interests of the people

instead its going after the best interests of its own level of power as well as the thickness of their own wallets


its not longer a government of, for, and by the people

its a government for the ruling of the people, the taxing of the people, and the ultimate control of the pople





the most dangerous kind of tyranny is one where the people dont know its a tyranny


and there really is no way that my mind can be changed, its all in history.... the real history not the indoctrinated history in the school text books



"if there is one thing we learned from history, its that we didnt learn shit"

I'm going to say this without being a shit head here..
If you think that your GOV. doesn't run EVERYTHING then you truely are living in la la land peace out Headband707

 

[PadawanBater]

I work and pay taxes, i also pay for my own insurance and dont think that i need to pay for every broke person in the US to go to doctors.(especially if they are not legal citizens) taxes may go up dramatically and will only effect people paying them not people that get stuff for free, so i am against it. every person should be able to take care of themselves or have family that help them.

Why don't you just get stuff for free like they do then? Wouldn't that be much easier than working 40 hours a week?

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Whoever said this isn't mandatory...

Why do they fine you if you don't have insurance?

Sounds mandatory to me...

 

[Brazko]

Why do I get fined for Having INsurance? Beyond paying a High Ass Premium Monthly, When I go See the Doctor, " Yes Sir, you may have Overpayed, you will be reimburesed 6months-3yrs Later down the road once the Paper Work gets Cleared Up" Yeah Right WTF

 

[g00sEgg]

Nothing is free in this world.

 

[Tyrannabudz]

Read this book and you shall wonder no more. "Behold A Pale Horse" written by
William Cooper.

Read it on the toilet otherwise you are going to soil your pants.

This business about racism is being fed to you through propaganda in the mainstream media. They are trying to convince you that you are racist if you have any sort of an opposing view to what the Obama administration does or says they want to do. I thought that was what politics was supposed to be about. Two sides argue and bicker until finally coming up with some sort of plan that makes all of thier friends rich.


But truth be told senators and congressman are all crooks and frontmen.
The powers that be decided that we are all like a bunch of children who are not responsible enough to create and maintain a cohesive society. So we have them to tell us what to do, how to be, what to think, what to believe, what is and what isn't.

 

[g00sEgg]

I work and pay taxes, i also pay for my own insurance and dont think that i need to pay for every broke person in the US to go to doctors.(especially if they are not legal citizens) taxes may go up dramatically and will only effect people paying them not people that get stuff for free, so i am against it. every person should be able to take care of themselves or have family that help them.

It's not the fact that people can't take care of themselves...anything medical is VERY expensive... Hell...I don't even get chemo treatments anymore...and every damn visit is still around 2.5 grand. Some people who are less fortunate aren't able to keep up with this, even if they do have insurance. Insurance alone...if you have good insurance, is expensive. And most of the time, they still won't cover everything. So you wouldn't just be taking care of the "broke" people...just the less fortunate...take time to think about others for once.

Although I'm still against the free healthcare plan...what you said was just ignorant.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Actually, you choose to pay for health insurance. It is not a fine. Expensive, yes, but it's your choice.

With the new plan, if you don't choose to have insurance, you are fined until you do.

That makes it mandatory.

 

[jeff f]

if you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till its free. the only reason they are going after healthcare is because its the only business in the country that is still making money. its marxism 101. you guys bitch all you want but history doesnt lie......unless of course you dont know any. this is the same argument that has been around since....forever. do a little reading about it around the early 1930's. its the same arguments now.

 

[ReggaeGanja]

in canada some people with critical illneses and shit like cancerous tumors and like heart problems that need surgery sometimes wait months before they get it and sometimes die also theres huuugEE!!! lines for doctors offices and theres not enouh doctors either and the doctors there dont even try to care for there patients and most of the ones that end up getting surgery die kinda like how englands hospitals kill oof patiens with there doctors "death panell" ..like if u cant breath on ur own they kill u by not feeding u usually and like a bunch of shit thatd take forever to type bros

 

[Brazko]

Actually, you choose to pay for health insurance. It is not a fine. Expensive, yes, but it's your choice.

With the new plan, if you don't choose to have insurance, you are fined until you do.

That makes it mandatory.

I understand Now, I can Make a Logical Choice b/t paying an Expensive Premium, or Paying CAsh upfront, When I have the 5-10k extra cash to take care of Whatever ailment I may have.... That is Fair!! I have the Right to Choose b/t Life or Death... The Freedom of Choice, The American Way

The point of Being Fined is That I pay Monthly, or I don't Have Coverage. I shouldn't Wait for You to Decide when You will Get around to Getting My Money back to me, after you Have wasted Time/Money in Litigating the Means in Which you can Keep my Money...

 

[hanimmal]

I work and pay taxes, i also pay for my own insurance and dont think that i need to pay for every broke person in the US to go to doctors.(especially if they are not legal citizens) taxes may go up dramatically and will only effect people paying them not people that get stuff for free, so i am against it. every person should be able to take care of themselves or have family that help them.

I work and pay an assload of taxes, and have health insurance. And guess what, the taxes we pay did go up, but it is because of the tax bracket. The 95% of american families will not see this happens.

And if you have health insurance and are not in the upper brackets you will not see anything rise.

But if you are. Guess what the money you make is directly affected by the people that work under you that don't make that money.

If they get sick, what happens? You have to find new employees and train them. It is in your benefit to have your people healthy so that they don't call off and get serious preventable illnesses.


And all that aside, you are already paying for them! Your insurance premiums are high because it pays higher prices that the hospitals charge to offset the loses accompanied by people not being able to pay their bills. The taxes we pay go to bankruptcies that occur when people cannot pay those bills.

So in the long run this benefits everyone and will be cheaper and help make the country more productive.

if you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till its free. the only reason they are going after healthcare is because its the only business in the country that is still making money. its marxism 101. you guys bitch all you want but history doesnt lie......unless of course you dont know any. this is the same argument that has been around since....forever. do a little reading about it around the early 1930's. its the same arguments now.

This is not a socialized health care system. It is one insurance plan that will cover the american citizens that are not covered right now. And when people are able to go to the doctor, that means earlier diagnosis and easier surgeries. You really are choosing not to see what this is, and instead leaping to the conclusion that somehow one plan is goign to destroy the free market.

in canada some people with critical illneses and shit like cancerous tumors and like heart problems that need surgery sometimes wait months before they get it and sometimes die also theres huuugEE!!! lines for doctors offices and theres not enouh doctors either and the doctors there dont even try to care for there patients and most of the ones that end up getting surgery die kinda like how englands hospitals kill oof patiens with there doctors "death panell" ..like if u cant breath on ur own they kill u by not feeding u usually and like a bunch of shit thatd take forever to type bros

And in our country they may not get found because people don't have the money to get regular checkups, so instead of finding it early and having to wait a few months, we wait 5 years until we notice something is wrong before we go to the doctor.

So I will take the 5 month wait after a early diagnosis over the 5 year wait to get the diagnosis.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

So because I said it's mandatory, I don't support insurance reform?

Care to rephrase?

 

[Brazko]

Did I say it should be Mandatory? You said Why do you Get Fined if You don't have Insurance? I said Why do I get Fined b/c I have Insurance?

What needs to be REphrased?

 

[hanimmal]

I said Why do I get Fined b/c I have Insurance?

You don't they only 'fine' you if you don't have it. Since if you don't have it you are being irresponsible and gambling with the money of everyone else.

 

[Brazko]

Yeah, I comprehend, I think...We disagree to Agree... The system is BS, Not the Actual Healthcare Given. But if the System is BS, how can anyone afford to REcieve Healthcare...

The Middle Man is the One Left Ass OUt..

So do I sloth at the Trough, Or Rob a Bank!!

Maybe I should open up A Tanning Salon , Cha Ching$$$ ..The Sun gotta Sleep 2

 

[ReggaeGanja]

I work and pay an assload of taxes, and have health insurance. And guess what, the taxes we pay did go up, but it is because of the tax bracket. The 95% of american families will not see this happens.

And if you have health insurance and are not in the upper brackets you will not see anything rise.

But if you are. Guess what the money you make is directly affected by the people that work under you that don't make that money.

If they get sick, what happens? You have to find new employees and train them. It is in your benefit to have your people healthy so that they don't call off and get serious preventable illnesses.


And all that aside, you are already paying for them! Your insurance premiums are high because it pays higher prices that the hospitals charge to offset the loses accompanied by people not being able to pay their bills. The taxes we pay go to bankruptcies that occur when people cannot pay those bills.

So in the long run this benefits everyone and will be cheaper and help make the country more productive.



This is not a socialized health care system. It is one insurance plan that will cover the american citizens that are not covered right now. And when people are able to go to the doctor, that means earlier diagnosis and easier surgeries. You really are choosing not to see what this is, and instead leaping to the conclusion that somehow one plan is goign to destroy the free market.



And in our country they may not get found because people don't have the money to get regular checkups, so instead of finding it early and having to wait a few months, we wait 5 years until we notice something is wrong before we go to the doctor.

So I will take the 5 month wait after a early diagnosis over the 5 year wait to get the diagnosis.

well dont you think they should get a job...or finish highschool.. or middle schooll... or actually go to school? oh no wait thats right they cant because the white people already have most of the jobss...

 

[fdd2blk]