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This is a carry over from another thread in politics.
JVS is of the opinion that Christ was crucified by the Romans for treason.
I maintain that the Romans crucified Christ for blasphemy at the behest of the Sanhedrin, because of the way Roman rule worked with local governments of its conquered.
Luke 22
70Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
71And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
Further witness to what crime? Being the Son of God...
2And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.
Now... not only did Jesus and His disciples pay their taxes... but He never claimed to be an earthly king.
Pilot found no fault with these charges and wanted to let him go. They were trying to find a vested interest in Rome executing Him. It was only under great protest of the crime of blasphemy that he submitted to THEIR LAW.
A brief history of the Roman empire and authority.
How Rome was able to conquer and control so much of the globe was because of a brilliant strategy, which began with war, and ended with taxes. They allowed their conquered people to maintain their own governments, religions, and activities wherever they went, to prevent civil unrest... leaving outposts containing small groups of people who oversaw the ruling bodies.
People were only forced to pay taxes, and not offend Caesar. Outside of that, things ran pretty much as they had before they arrived. They served as executioners and tax collectors... while keeping a watchful eye on the governments to prevent usurping Roman rule. If there were any kind of uprising, troops were brought in and the people were punished HORRIBLY... so pretty much things went smoothly. That is how they were able to rule so many for so long... it was KEY to their strategy.
The notion that it would be embarrassing to allow the religious government follow it's own law is grossly inaccurate. It was completely reversed. They ALWAYS allowed the free exercise of religion, and local tribal rule.
The Jews brought Jesus forth for blasphemy as clearly demonstrated in Acts, on THEIR legal authority... and when Pilot says... I don't understand... they try and gain support by suggesting he preached that taxes should not be payed to rome... which again... the ROMAN authority had no belief in... and had to be convinced that it was simply their way. Remember... this is the birth of the senate... of the belief that a people are best left to govern themselves.
Pilot was against the death of Jesus, but was committed to not interfering in the local religious authorities decision... so at their INSISTENCE he was put to death.
You take king to mean a territorial king... whereas the title was given because of the bloodline of God. It was blasphemy... and doing miracles and whatnot? Demonstrating the power of God?
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH
BUURRRRN HIMMMMMMMM...
That is simply how Rome handled maintaining foreign authority... by giving much of it away.
"The Roman Empire encompassed a huge amount of territory, but also allowed people of many different cultures to retain their heritage into modern times. The empire helped to perpetuate the art, literature, and philosophy of the Greeks, the religious and ethical system of the Jews, the new religion of the Christians, Babylonian astronomy and astrology, and cultural elements from Persia, Egypt, and other eastern civilizations. The Romans supplied their own peculiar talents for government, law, and architecture and also spread their Latin language. In this way they created the Greco-Roman synthesis, the rich combination of cultural elements that for two millennia has shaped what we call the Western tradition."
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_1741502785/roman_empire.html
The charge of "forbidding tribute" was thrown in to try and entice Pilot to rule in their favor.. because it was his ultimate decision... and he believed in a lot of Gods... so he might not understand the offense. His Gods spawned all the time with humans... so they had to make a case because at the end of the day... it was his decision to make.
24And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.
Not as Rome requires, not as Caesar requires, but as the Sanhedrin Priests required.
Just as a point of record, Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God either. He ALWAYS referred to Himself as the son of man.
JVS is of the opinion that Christ was crucified by the Romans for treason.
I maintain that the Romans crucified Christ for blasphemy at the behest of the Sanhedrin, because of the way Roman rule worked with local governments of its conquered.
To which he replied:
Now that we are all caught up.
Luke 22
70Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.
71And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth.
Further witness to what crime? Being the Son of God...
2And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.
Now... not only did Jesus and His disciples pay their taxes... but He never claimed to be an earthly king.
Pilot found no fault with these charges and wanted to let him go. They were trying to find a vested interest in Rome executing Him. It was only under great protest of the crime of blasphemy that he submitted to THEIR LAW.
A brief history of the Roman empire and authority.
How Rome was able to conquer and control so much of the globe was because of a brilliant strategy, which began with war, and ended with taxes. They allowed their conquered people to maintain their own governments, religions, and activities wherever they went, to prevent civil unrest... leaving outposts containing small groups of people who oversaw the ruling bodies.
People were only forced to pay taxes, and not offend Caesar. Outside of that, things ran pretty much as they had before they arrived. They served as executioners and tax collectors... while keeping a watchful eye on the governments to prevent usurping Roman rule. If there were any kind of uprising, troops were brought in and the people were punished HORRIBLY... so pretty much things went smoothly. That is how they were able to rule so many for so long... it was KEY to their strategy.
The notion that it would be embarrassing to allow the religious government follow it's own law is grossly inaccurate. It was completely reversed. They ALWAYS allowed the free exercise of religion, and local tribal rule.
The Jews brought Jesus forth for blasphemy as clearly demonstrated in Acts, on THEIR legal authority... and when Pilot says... I don't understand... they try and gain support by suggesting he preached that taxes should not be payed to rome... which again... the ROMAN authority had no belief in... and had to be convinced that it was simply their way. Remember... this is the birth of the senate... of the belief that a people are best left to govern themselves.
Pilot was against the death of Jesus, but was committed to not interfering in the local religious authorities decision... so at their INSISTENCE he was put to death.
You take king to mean a territorial king... whereas the title was given because of the bloodline of God. It was blasphemy... and doing miracles and whatnot? Demonstrating the power of God?
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH
BUURRRRN HIMMMMMMMM...
That is simply how Rome handled maintaining foreign authority... by giving much of it away.
"The Roman Empire encompassed a huge amount of territory, but also allowed people of many different cultures to retain their heritage into modern times. The empire helped to perpetuate the art, literature, and philosophy of the Greeks, the religious and ethical system of the Jews, the new religion of the Christians, Babylonian astronomy and astrology, and cultural elements from Persia, Egypt, and other eastern civilizations. The Romans supplied their own peculiar talents for government, law, and architecture and also spread their Latin language. In this way they created the Greco-Roman synthesis, the rich combination of cultural elements that for two millennia has shaped what we call the Western tradition."
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_1741502785/roman_empire.html
The charge of "forbidding tribute" was thrown in to try and entice Pilot to rule in their favor.. because it was his ultimate decision... and he believed in a lot of Gods... so he might not understand the offense. His Gods spawned all the time with humans... so they had to make a case because at the end of the day... it was his decision to make.
24And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.
Not as Rome requires, not as Caesar requires, but as the Sanhedrin Priests required.
Just as a point of record, Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God either. He ALWAYS referred to Himself as the son of man.
