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hanimmal

Well-Known Member
This is exactly what I'm confused about. Why would the WHO push
this to phase 6 with so little deaths? It doesn't sound right to me.
Thousands die from the flu worldwide, so I don't understand why
they bumped it up to Phase 6. Its fishy. :shock:
They have said that it is a phase 6 pandemic because of how it spread (around the world fast and across continents) not on how much actual damage it can do (been pretty tame). If the strain was to mutate and become something very deadly (which is possible) then they want everyone to be on the alert to it and catch it as early as possible with the vaccines that they have gotten ready at that point.

This could potentially save millions of lives by being ready if the worst possible situation would arise.

I am not sure of the genetic structure (my fiance' is a pharmacist and explained it to me once but if I tried to restate it I would not do it justice) but it is possible (even if unlikely) that it could change into something serious. But most likley it will not.


If you really read all 100 some odd pages then I give you props.
I wish it was only 100, it is over 1,000 ; ; . And ty for the props! I swear my eyes were bleeding from it.

I read most the bill and did not see that anywhere. And lets for argument sake say that it is in there (which unless you can give me a section and line number I won't believe), if you have insurance you already have an insurance card, if you don't then you would either get it (meaning that you need a card for the hospital) or your paying 2.5% taxes and they would not be able to give you a insurance card since you have no insurance.
ok, so how it works is this.

If you have insurance don't worry nothing changes for you, unless for whatever reason you no longer want it then you can either chose to get another insurance plan through someone like blue cross. If you chose to you can purchase the government insurance plan which will have 3 levels of coverage.

If you chose neither and decide to not have any insurance at all (meaning you are at risk of costing everyone else money if you get sick) then you have to pay the 2.5% tax. It is a way to basically make the decision easy to be responsible and just get some insurance.



The insurance card that you have is based off of the insurance that you are carrying. So if it is Blue Cross your card is blue cross, if it is plan "a" of the government plan, then you have that insurance card. If you do not have any insurance then you will not have any insurance card.

But hannimal, tell why you think its ok to force someone to get insurance?

So its either, buy private insurance, the gov't option, or get taxed?
I didn't know it was ok for the gov't to give its citizens an
ultimatum or be taxed for not buying health care. :spew:
I feel that it is the responsibility of the people to take care of themselves the best they are able to. If they cannot afford it, we will help them out. But if they can then they should. Same as a car insurance. You have it because eventually you may need it (I think car insurance is kind of a joke anymore with the huge deductables, but that is a different story). But someone deciding on other peoples dime to not be responsible and have enough financial backing to pay for their healthcare even though they have enough to pay for it, then I have no problem with forcing them to pay.

Because if something happens to them (like getting old, sick, having an accident) the care they recieve would usually bankrupt them. Which means that we all have to pay for their mistakes. And even if they just walk on the bill we will all have to pay for it anyway through higher prices at the hospital.

No, we can't just people sit on the sidewalk and die. Thats what the
ER is for. Now for other illnesses, that aren't emergenices, there is
nothing I can say but that those people can go to college, get a degree,
and a good career and pay for their own health insurance. No, it won't be easy, but it is definitely possible.
But if they go to the ER we will have to pay more then just getting them covered. I agree completely with getting a degree. I worked hard to put my fiance' through pharmacy school and now we are working to get me a PHD in economics.

But while they are working to get that degree those few years that they need before getting the good carreer we can easily help them out with a cheap basic care package. And when they are able to afford it then they can start to pay for their plan.

Will people take advantage of it, of course they will. I have family memebers that drive me crazy with their ability to pop out welfare babies like pez, but the systems are not in place for people like that, they are an unfortunant side effect.

It is in place for the people that will use the ladder society provides to improve their situation and when they get to the higher rungs they can start to pay out. Without it people would never be able to get out of the situations they are in. We have 1/6th of our population without healt insurance and they are still using the system in place, but without having to ever pay for it. We need to just get them covered so that they can pay what they can.

This extra money coupled with actually getting checkups should help to reduce some costs of expensive emergency room visits when the illness is already so advanced when some simple antibiotics and a regular dr. visit could have cured it early for thousands of dollars less.

Then also side effects of that is more productivity at work since people won't be laid off with long illnesses, on and on. A good health system is great for the entire economy of a nation. Sick people don't make us money.

Thank you for being civil in this debate hannimal and not
resorting to personal attacks.
No problem. It is an important issue. I saw one of your posts a few days ago and really wanted to get back to you with actual info because you seemed very upset about it.

The info that you get may not come from the news, but what is circulating is pure hype from the politcal parties. They realize after what we (dems) to Bush how powerful constant smear campains are, and amped it up a notch.

I never watched Rachel Maddow (and don't believe everything that is being said) before but saw that she was talking about this and it is very telling of how things on the internet today works here is a link to it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32307452 . Again it is a news channel, but it really does show were most of this information comes from.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Hey Purps, I decided to just cut and paste what was written in the Obama thread by me for you to check out at your leisure. The stuff in red at the start is what the right wing blogs implied was what they were doing. It is by no means the entire thing, but just a direct rebuttle to what they had posted on this site to say how bad it was.

This was before I read the bill since they didn't give it. But just to give you an idea about how this information works again
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SEC. 102- Outlaws private insurance by forbidding enrollment after HR 3022 is passed into law.

H.R. 3200 states:
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
Look at it again, closely: You can keep your current care as it is, add as many family under the current construct.
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Your focusing on "(1) LIMITATIONONNEWENROLLMENT.—

(A) INGENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first ef-14
fective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1."


But couldn't that also mean that the old form of insurance if it doesn't follow the regulations being put in place, that it would not be able to be sold 'as-is"? And would have to change to the regulations of the law.

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SEC. 122- YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

H.R. 3200 states:

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED.

(2) ANNUAL LIMITATION-

(A) ANNUAL LIMITATION- The cost-sharing incurred under the essential benefits package with respect to an individual (or family) for a year does not exceed the applicable level specified in subparagraph (B).

(B) APPLICABLE LEVEL- The applicable level specified in this subparagraph for Y1 is $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family. Such levels shall be increased (rounded to the nearest $100) for each subsequent year by the annual percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index (United States city average) applicable to such year.

(C) USE OF COPAYMENTS- In establishing cost-sharing levels for basic, enhanced, and premium plans under this subsection, the Secretary shall, to the maximum extent possible, use only copayments and not coinsurance.
It jumps 20 sections, so are those in regards to the public plan? Because there is a lot missing I cannot tell, which website did you get this from please I would like to look at those.

5000/10000 is the norm (at least my insurance) so not sure what your saying here, all insurance as it is set up now is rationed.

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SEC. 123 - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT.— IN GENERAL.—There is established a private-public advisory committee which shall be a panel of medical and other experts to be known as the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to recommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced, and premium plans
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So experts would constantly monitor and recommend changes that needs to be made is a bad thing???

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SEC. 142 - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

SEC. 142 DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER

(a) Duties- The Commissioner is responsible for carrying out the following functions under this division:

(1) QUALIFIED PLAN STANDARDS- The establishment of qualified health benefits plan standards under this title, including the enforcement of such standards in coordination with State insurance regulators and the Secretaries of Labor and the Treasury.

(2) HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE- The establishment and operation of a Health Insurance Exchange under subtitle A of title II.

(3) INDIVIDUAL AFFORDABILITY CREDITS- The administration of individual affordability credits under subtitle C of title II, including determination of eligibility for such credits.

(4) ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONS- Such additional functions as may be specified in this division.
So he is going to set standards for plans, and set up the guidelines for what would constitute 'need for credits' or in other words if you cannot afford it you get a discount.
How is that controlling the plan you decide to buy? Or if you even want to buy? Or what company you decide to buy from? I think this is a nut website, unless you just decided to take a long time pulling shit out of your ass.

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SEC. 152- HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, ILLEGAL or otherwise.

H.R. 3200 states:

SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE.

(a) In General- Except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.

(b) Implementation- To implement the requirement set forth in subsection (a), the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall, not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, promulgate such regulations as are necessary or appropriate to insure that all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act are provided (whether directly or through contractual, licensing, or other arrangements) without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services.
Nothing said about citizenship status. It says "regardless to characteristics". I.e. I don't like black people I refuse to treat you. Your really making yourself look stupid here. The people that wrote the remarks were banking on the fact noone would actually read it, or worse yet understand it. They banked on your stupidity and won.

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SEC. 163. - Gov't will have real-time access to individuals' finances and a national ID health card will be issued- Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer. This means the government can go in and take your money right out of your bank account.

H.R. 3200 states:

SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION.

(a) Standardizing Electronic Administrative Transactions-

(1) IN GENERAL- Part C of title XI of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320d et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 1173 the following new section:

(D) enable the real-time (or near real-time) determination of an individual's financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;

(E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims;
Where is section A, B, and C under section one? Do you think the nutbags realize that it says that you have to enroll in it (like everything else to get a government auto withdraw) Jesus christ if I didn't think one person might get something out of this I would quit wasting my time going through all this and trying to help people relax a bit.

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SEC. 201. - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

H.R. 3200 states:

SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS.

(a) Establishment- There is established within the Health Choices Administration and under the direction of the Commissioner a Health Insurance Exchange in order to facilitate access of individuals and employers, through a transparent process, to a variety of choices of affordable, quality health insurance coverage, including a public health insurance option.

(b) Outline of Duties of Commissioner- In accordance with this subtitle and in coordination with appropriate Federal and State officials as provided under section 143(b), the Commissioner shall--

(1) under section 204 establish standards for, accept bids from, and negotiate and enter into contracts with, QHBP offering entities for the offering of health benefits plans through the Health Insurance Exchange, with different levels of benefits required under section 203, and including with respect to oversight and enforcement;

(2) under section 205 facilitate outreach and enrollment in such plans of Exchange-eligible individuals and employers described in section 202; and

(3) conduct such activities related to the Health Insurance Exchange as required, including establishment of a risk pooling mechanism under section 206 and consumer protections under subtitle D of title I.

(c) Exchange-participating Health Benefits Plan Defined- In this division, the term `Exchange-participating health benefits plan' means a qualified health benefits plan that is offered through the Health Insurance Exchange.
(ci)
Says that they can bid on and enter contracts with, sounds more like they are buying something and not trying to control it to me.

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SEC. 203. – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange and again RATIONS health care.

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 203. BENEFITS PACKAGE LEVELS.

(a) In General- The Commissioner shall specify the benefits to be made available under Exchange-participating health benefits plans during each plan year, consistent with subtitle C of title I and this section.

(b) Limitation on Health Benefits Plans Offered by Offering Entities- The Commissioner may not enter into a contract with a QHBP offering entity under section 204(c) for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan in a service area unless the following requirements are met:

(1) REQUIRED OFFERING OF BASIC PLAN- The entity offers only one basic plan for such service area.

(2) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF ENHANCED PLAN- If and only if the entity offers a basic plan for such service area, the entity may offer one enhanced plan for such area.

(3) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM PLAN- If and only if the entity offers an enhanced plan for such service area, the entity may offer one premium plan for such area.

(4) OPTIONAL OFFERING OF PREMIUM-PLUS PLANS- If and only if the entity offers a premium plan for such service area, the entity may offer one or more premium-plus plans for such area.
They are dictating that if a company is going to enter into the nasty government program that they have to do so under those guidelines. Doesn't that make sense? That if we are putting together an outline for a public healthcare plan that is not in existence that it has to follow the guidelines we want, and you cannot just do w/e you want and call it a public plan?

And also ration it through the plan that is picked. That way someone that is paying for the premium vs someone that just wants bare minimum get different packages?

ffs think for yourself man! Unless you wrote this, then your just a dumbass trying to stir the pot.

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SEC. 205. - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan AND Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice!

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.

(A) IN GENERAL-

(1) OUTREACH- The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options. Such outreach shall include outreach specific to vulnerable populations, such as children, individuals with disabilities, individuals with mental illness, and individuals with other cognitive impairments.

(3) AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT FOR NON-MEDICAID ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall provide for a process under which individuals who are Exchange-eligible individuals described in subparagraph (B) are automatically enrolled under an appropriate Exchange-participating health benefits plan. Such process may involve a random assignment or some other form of assignment that takes into account the health care providers used by the individual involved or such other relevant factors as the Commissioner may specify.

(3) AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT OF MEDICAID ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS INTO MEDICAID- The Commissioner shall provide for a process under which an individual who is described in section 202(d)(3) and has not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan is automatically enrolled under Medicaid.
They jumped so much here that it does not make sense. A to 3 is not a number system that I am used to so I am again guessing that something in there was important. And where do you see Acorn or Ameritrade's name in there?

The Commissioner shall conduct outreach activities consistent with subsection (c), including through use of appropriate entities as described in paragraph (4) of such subsection, to inform and educate individuals and employers about the Health Insurance Exchange and Exchange-participating health benefits plan options


Are they the only appropriate entitie to conduct outreach activities? Shit why not say the boys and girls group of america, or the cubscouts.

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SEC. 223.- No company can sue the GOVERNMENT on price fixing! No “judicial review” against Government Monopoly!!

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 223. PAYMENT RATES FOR ITEMS AND SERVICES

(f) Limitations on Review- There shall be no administrative or judicial review of a payment rate or methodology established under this section or under section 224.
They didn't even mess around and jumped strait to point (f) under a section called "Payment Rates for Items and Services".

So if someone wants to sue for say I did not want my payment taken this month even though I am enrolled in auto pay and didn't cancel it I will sue you, it would be stopped here. But I do not know as that was all redacted by your "Source"

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SEC. 225. – Doctors/ AMA – The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 225. PROVIDER PARTICIPATION

(a) In General- The Secretary shall establish conditions of participation for health care providers under the public health insurance option.

(b) Licensure or Certification- The Secretary shall not allow a health care provider to participate in the public health insurance option unless such provider is appropriately licensed or certified under State law.

(c) Payment Terms for Providers-

(1) PHYSICIANS- The Secretary shall provide for the annual participation of physicians under the public health insurance option, for which payment may be made for services furnished during the year, in one of 2 classes:

(A) PREFERRED PHYSICIANS- Those Quote:
physicians who agree to accept the payment rate established
under section 223 (without regard to cost-sharing) as the payment in full.

(B) PARTICIPATING, NON-PREFERRED PHYSICIANS- Those physicians who agree not to impose charges (in relation to the payment rate described in section 223 for such physicians) that exceed the ratio permitted under section 1848(g)(2)(C) of the Social Security Act.
If docotors did not want to they wouldn't have agreed to be a preferred physician. And those that don't agree have to except what they already have excepted since the Social Security Act. Where is that affecting Dr's that are not already affected.

How many doctors do you know that are hurting under the current system?

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SEC. 312. - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan and employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families. NO CHOICE!!

H.R. 3200 States:

SEC. 312. EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EMPLOYEE AND DEPENDENT COVERAGE

(a) In General- An employer meets the requirements of this section with respect to an employee if the following requirements are met:

(1) OFFERING OF COVERAGE- The employer offers the coverage described in section 311(1) either through an Exchange-participating health benefits plan or other than through such a plan.

(2) EMPLOYER REQUIRED CONTRIBUTION- The employer timely pays to the issuer of such coverage an amount not less than the employer required contribution specified in subsection (b) for such coverage.

(3) PROVISION OF INFORMATION- The employer provides the Health Choices Commissioner, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of the Treasury, as applicable, with such information as the Commissioner may require to ascertain compliance with the requirements of this section.

(4) AUTOENROLLMENT OF EMPLOYEES- The employer provides for autoenrollment of the employee in accordance with subsection (c).

(b) Reduction of Employee Premiums Through Minimum Employer Contribution-

(3) MINIMUM EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION FOR EMPLOYEES OTHER THAN FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES- In the case of coverage for an employee who is not a full-time employee, the amount of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection shall be a proportion (as determined in accordance with rules of the Health Choices Commissioner, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the Secretary of the Treasury, as applicable) of the minimum employer contribution under this subsection with respect to a full-time employee that reflects the proportion of--

(A) the average weekly hours of employment of the employee by the employer, to

(B) the minimum weekly hours specified by the Commissioner for an employee to be a full-time employee.
As 311 is not here we cannot begin to know what those requirements are. But you do know that your employer does pay for your health insurance now right?

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SEC. 401. - ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income AND Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

H.R. 3200 STATES:

SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE

Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage

`Sec. 59B. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.

`SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

`(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--

(1) the taxpayer's modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

(c) Exceptions-

(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS- Subsection (a) shall not apply to any individual who is a nonresident alien.
Do you realize that there is absolutely no information copied and pasted there? What are the rates people will be taxed and for what income levels? What are the exemptions? Where is section 1 through 58? I would fail if I tried to turn that in as a paper.

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SEC. 1122. - Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

H.R. 3200 STATES:

SEC. 1122. MISVALUED CODES UNDER THE PHYSICIAN FEE SCHEDULE.

(a) In General- Section 1848(c)(2) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(c)(2)) is amended by adding at the end the following new subparagraphs:

(K) POTENTIALLY MISVALUED CODES-

(i) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall--
Starts at K and still skips around. What is the things going on before that?

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SEC. 1141. - Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs

H.R. 3200 STATES:

PART 3--OTHER PROVISIONS

SEC. 1141. RENTAL AND PURCHASE OF POWER-DRIVEN WHEELCHAIRS.

(a) In General- Section 1834(a)(7)(A)(iii) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395m(a)(7)(A)(iii)) is amended--

(1) in the heading, by inserting `CERTAIN COMPLEX REHABILITATIVE' after `OPTION FOR'; and

(2) by striking `power-driven wheelchair' and inserting `complex rehabilitative power-driven wheelchair recognized by the Secretary as classified within group 3 or higher'.

(b) Effective Date- The amendments made by subsection (a) shall take effect on January 1, 2011, and shall apply to power-driven wheelchairs furnished on or after such date. Such amendments shall not apply to contracts entered into under section 1847 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-3) pursuant to a bid submitted under such section before October 1, 2010, under subsection (a)(1)(B)(i)(I) of such section.
And what exactely is classified as group 3 or higher?

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SEC. 1145. – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing! You may not get that 'specilized' cancer treatment center as an option.

H.R. 3200 STATES:

SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS.

Section 1833(t) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395l(t)) is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

(1:cool: AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT FOR CANCER HOSPITALS-

(A) STUDY- The Secretary shall conduct a study to determine if, under the system under this subsection, costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) with respect to ambulatory payment classification groups exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection (as determined appropriate by the Secretary).

(B) AUTHORIZATION OF ADJUSTMENT- Insofar as the Secretary determines under subparagraph (A) that costs incurred by hospitals described in section 1886(d)(1)(B)(v) exceed those costs incurred by other hospitals furnishing services under this subsection, the Secretary shall provide for an appropriate adjustment under paragraph (2)(E) to reflect those higher costs effective for services furnished on or after January 1, 2011.'.
OH NO!!!! Rationalizing patients cancer treatment, through providing 'appropriate adjustment's if they are having to pay more for ambulance rides! Those Bastards!




You know what I am done. I think that if you read this you will see that the ideas highlighted at the top of each quote is absolutely horseshit. Think for yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you chose not to trust people that we elect, so be it, but don't toss your trust into the fucking idiots that are gaining from peoples stupidity.
 

dgittings

Active Member
I thought this was a discussion about Obama's citizenship. I guess I'm not so much concerned about his BC, as I am with the question as to why he would seal all his papers and school records. Don't people study and write bios of the president. Why would he seal them. And about health care, ask yourself one question, if the gov can't run medicare, medicade, social security and the postal service, how they gonna do with health care.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
I thought this was a discussion about Obama's citizenship. I guess I'm not so much concerned about his BC, as I am with the question as to why he would seal all his papers and school records. Don't people study and write bios of the president. Why would he seal them. And about health care, ask yourself one question, if the gov can't run medicare, medicade, social security and the postal service, how they gonna do with health care.
Numerous presidents sealed their school papers and records. I see no problem with that. He proved he was born in HI and fulfilled all obligations necessary to be elected the president.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
Time to get crass.

He also doesn't show his cock to us, but because some may want to see it does that mean he should have to show it?

If he doesn't want to show something that he is not forced to show, we can't just offer him beads and call him names until he shows it.

This is not mardi gras.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Hey Purps, I decided to just cut and paste what was written in the Obama thread by me for you to check out at your leisure. The stuff in red at the start is what the right wing blogs implied was what they were doing. It is by no means the entire thing, but just a direct rebuttle to what they had posted on this site to say how bad it was.

This was before I read the bill since they didn't give it. But just to give you an idea about how this information works again
Hannimal go back to your economics that doesn't involve politics.

It's clear that you are not even posting the sections in full to show the exact text. Those sections do not say what you are purporting them to say.
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
No your right TBT, I said that was before I read the bill. I was just pointing out the leaps that people took to speak out against the bill with no actual information, and just bought into the misinformation. And told her before that the discussion that we were having was several pages in the thread I just posted that as an example of it.
 

purplekitty7772008

Well-Known Member
Wow. You are so blinded by rage in every response to me that you can't even interpret tone or mood. Can you say 'Medea'? Give it a rest. Breathe. Relax. Now re-read what I wrote. Seem any different?
Why do you think I'm always mad?

Its irritating when someone is trying to tell you
what you feel.

I'm done..:roll:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Time to get crass.

He also doesn't show his cock to us, but because some may want to see it does that mean he should have to show it?

If he doesn't want to show something that he is not forced to show, we can't just offer him beads and call him names until he shows it.

This is not mardi gras.

That is idiocy.....but I guess that may answer a question about Hillary.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Oh that's that bum Carter. :lol: The king of appeasement as a weapon... :mrgreen:

Right after the SALT talks with Russia (nuclear disarmament), Carter was so overwhelmingly naive, it took my breath away. When Russia invaded Afghanistan the next day :lol: Carter said, "I can't believe he lied to me". :clap: How is that for total naivete!

Obama is doing the very same thing and will give back the very same results. All the despots LOVE Obama now.....easy pickings.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
Oh that's that bum Carter. :lol: The king of appeasement as a weapon... :mrgreen:

Right after the SALT talks with Russia (nuclear disarmament), Carter was so overwhelmingly naive, it took my breath away. When Russia invaded Afghanistan the next day :lol: Carter said, "I can't believe he lied to me". :clap: How is that for total naivete!

Obama is doing the very same thing and will give back the very same results. All the despots LOVE Obama now.....easy pickings.
You just wait. I'm no fan of any democrat, but Obama will do just fine. He'll get re-elected again - just my prediction, nothing more. Please don't put it in your sig.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I won't...that would be immature. Not my style. :wink:

I think he'll be lucky to get through the first term. People are waking up.... democrats are waking up. That's a real sign....the left are going to isolate themselves.........again

The hard left is like that crazy Uncle up in the attic. you keep him up there for years and after awhile, you think, maybe it would be okay to let him out and about. After a very short while, it becomes apparent that the Uncle is still a raving loon and must be forced back up into the attic again.

It's the "uneducated in life" youth which keeps the bad ideas of the left alive.... they don't know any better. :sad: They are also easily fooled because of their limited exposure to reality.
 
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