Advanced Stealth Hydro Bubbeponics Thread
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tSunami13
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No doubt it's marketing that's capitalism at it's best! My government also tells me that pot is bad. So much for marketing.
SlikWiLL13
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tSunami13
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I live in a MMJ state, therefore it is somewhat legal in my states eyes, just not the feds. Why have a schedule for pot but not the BALLS to admit to it???? I don't grow tomatoes, or any of the other crap they advertise for! I GROW POT and the last time I checked so do 99.9% of the people on this site. Ok to sum it up I don't feed my plants tomato food or pepper food, I feed them pot food. Sure in the perfect world my water would be perfect to grow pot, bit it isn't, it needs nutes. I love the companies that have the BALLS to admit that there stuff is for growing pot! Last time I checked that was slim to one and the one being AN which most hate because they have the BALLS to say their nutes are for pot (most want to dis them because they want to claim its marketing)!!!!! I don't eat dog food or cat food, (which would still keep a human alive) so why feed your MJ plants tomato or pepper food????? Esp since most of the nute companies and hydro shops don't have the balls to admit that the stuff is for pot. All the feeding schedules are for pot so why are the companies chicken-shit to admit to it?
tSunami13
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Nothing against the tomato and pepper farmers out there. When I go to the MMJ dispensary they have AN nutes (they don't carry tomato and pepper nutes) because they have the balls to admit the nutes are for MMJ! Not a single hydro shop in town wants to touch the Kushie Kush nutes by AN. But go into a dispensary and they carry it. What gives they all have calendars for growing pot, they take my money, but when I need help from them for the nutes, it goes back to peppers and toms, I don't grow toms and peps, I grow pot, so even though the calendars (are pot schedules) are out there by all these nute companies they don't want to be associated with pot except they do love your money. I guess thats good marketing making people believe that my MJ takes the same nutes as tomatoes!
SlikWiLL13
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well its all illegal in the feds eyes and its the feds the nute companies would have to deal with it they ever had to deal with anyone.
'balls, balls, balls, balls, and chicken shit'.....got something to prove do we?
and you and the dispensaries only use AN, huh? like i said, you guys are eating it up. do you think MJ came from outer space? was it manufactured by man? did mythical beasts bestow it upon ancient man? or maybe...just maybe, its a regular plant the just might grow like every other plant on this earth has evolved to do.
mindphuk made me a tin foil hat smiley the other day. now i need to ask him to make me a sucker smiley.
'balls, balls, balls, balls, and chicken shit'.....got something to prove do we?
and you and the dispensaries only use AN, huh? like i said, you guys are eating it up. do you think MJ came from outer space? was it manufactured by man? did mythical beasts bestow it upon ancient man? or maybe...just maybe, its a regular plant the just might grow like every other plant on this earth has evolved to do.
mindphuk made me a tin foil hat smiley the other day. now i need to ask him to make me a sucker smiley.
Mr.Bob Saget
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I want to start a new conversation, after getting some good feedback on flushing and what peoples thoughts are on the topic, thank you.
I have a question regarding EC, and how to properly test your EC. As stated in earlier posts, I'm having really good luck with the Fox Farm nutrient line (all six products), the tomatoes and peppers are responding really well. I have been following the recommended feeding schedule all summer long ( http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/hydrofeed.pdf ). As you might notice they show you what your EC or PPM should be throughout the week, which is help full in later weeks of grow when the plants start to drink a lot of water and you are adding water eod or ed. Depending on your meter to follow Fox Farms EC to PPM your meter would need to be adjust with a CF or 10. I like to speak in EC since I have the Hana continues meter that test PH/EC/PPM, and since EC is really the only universal language.
Now to my question(s). When you first dump your RO or distilled water into a bucket to mix your nutrient solution, what is the correct way to achieve desired EC level? Let me see if I can describe my question. If you dump your water in and you have a EC of 50, then add your nutrients and have a EC of 1300, and then add your PH up or down and have a EC of 1450, what is the correct EC to match to a feeding schedule. Is it correct for me to say that ass you add PH adjustment, your EC will rise, due to the additional dissolved particles?
I have a question regarding EC, and how to properly test your EC. As stated in earlier posts, I'm having really good luck with the Fox Farm nutrient line (all six products), the tomatoes and peppers are responding really well. I have been following the recommended feeding schedule all summer long ( http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/hydrofeed.pdf ). As you might notice they show you what your EC or PPM should be throughout the week, which is help full in later weeks of grow when the plants start to drink a lot of water and you are adding water eod or ed. Depending on your meter to follow Fox Farms EC to PPM your meter would need to be adjust with a CF or 10. I like to speak in EC since I have the Hana continues meter that test PH/EC/PPM, and since EC is really the only universal language.
Now to my question(s). When you first dump your RO or distilled water into a bucket to mix your nutrient solution, what is the correct way to achieve desired EC level? Let me see if I can describe my question. If you dump your water in and you have a EC of 50, then add your nutrients and have a EC of 1300, and then add your PH up or down and have a EC of 1450, what is the correct EC to match to a feeding schedule. Is it correct for me to say that ass you add PH adjustment, your EC will rise, due to the additional dissolved particles?
tSunami13
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And George Bush (dunce major) told me pot was bad so I listened! Always better to follow then lead! So I will follow off the cliff!well its all illegal in the feds eyes and its the feds the nute companies would have to deal with it they ever had to deal with anyone.
balls, balls, balls, balls, and chicken shit.....got something to prove do we?
and you and the dispensaries only use AN, huh? like i said, you guys are eating it up. do you think MJ came from outer space? was it manufactured by man? or maybe...just maybe, its a regular plant the just might grow like every other plant on this earth has evolved to do.
mindphuk made me a tin foil hat smiley the other day. now i need to ask him to make me a sucker smiley.
SlikWiLL13
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i have been told several contradicting ways. long ago a guy told me to subtract whatever the water is and start at zero, then he says to add your additives in the recommeded dosage, and top off with nutes till you reach your target ppm. i do not do this myself.
what i do is start with tap water at about 320(yes, 320 and it works great!), i then add my base nute mix untill i reach my target, then i add my additives and dont bother checking because thier additives and they dont count toward toxic NPK. but none of my additives have any NPK either. its my understanding that the FF trio are PK heavy right? i might do it the first way if i were in your shoes.
EDIT: i also subtract my initial ppm of 320 with my method. there will be little if any NPK in the 320 ppm, mostly micro's.
what i do is start with tap water at about 320(yes, 320 and it works great!), i then add my base nute mix untill i reach my target, then i add my additives and dont bother checking because thier additives and they dont count toward toxic NPK. but none of my additives have any NPK either. its my understanding that the FF trio are PK heavy right? i might do it the first way if i were in your shoes.
EDIT: i also subtract my initial ppm of 320 with my method. there will be little if any NPK in the 320 ppm, mostly micro's.
SlikWiLL13
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you might as well...they told you AN was the best and out came your wallet!
ps-this isnt a political discussion.
MostlyCrazy
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Bob,
Don;t do EC but PPM but to answer your question you measure only the diff between your water and the total. In your example that would be 1250. My Ph up and down does not add any ppm/ec. If that's teh case add it before you nute and then do the math when you add nutes. Additives don't count either when refering to the grow schedule. For instance , I have hard, hard water - 400 ppm. add the PH down and it stay around 400, add the nutes and it goes to 1500 ( 100 ppm nutes) and then I add my additives ( Liquid Karma, cal-mag, cannazyme and super thrive for a total of 2300 or 400 water, 1100 nutes and 800 additives.
Don;t do EC but PPM but to answer your question you measure only the diff between your water and the total. In your example that would be 1250. My Ph up and down does not add any ppm/ec. If that's teh case add it before you nute and then do the math when you add nutes. Additives don't count either when refering to the grow schedule. For instance , I have hard, hard water - 400 ppm. add the PH down and it stay around 400, add the nutes and it goes to 1500 ( 100 ppm nutes) and then I add my additives ( Liquid Karma, cal-mag, cannazyme and super thrive for a total of 2300 or 400 water, 1100 nutes and 800 additives.
tSunami13
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Last time I emailed FF and told them I wasn't growing tomatoes they wanted nothing to do with me! They have great products but why support them when they want my money to grow pot but not support me when I am growing pot? I am here to help legalize this wonderful plant! Not just take your money and run! And yes if I lived in the "natural" mississippi delta (oh wait he Army corps fucked that up) I would have plentiful nutes to grow all natural!
Just a reminder I am here to support this wonderful plant not hide from it. Alot of these companies sell stuff that is great for pot but don't support their customers when they are growing pot. Thats all. I grew out of that tomato and pepper phase a long time ago!
Just a reminder I am here to support this wonderful plant not hide from it. Alot of these companies sell stuff that is great for pot but don't support their customers when they are growing pot. Thats all. I grew out of that tomato and pepper phase a long time ago!
Mr.Bob Saget
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Well yeah, I would say that it is really high in PK.
In the last few weeks of the feeding schedule you need to add ALOT of PH up..almost everyday for a couple of days. So I guess my point of all this, really after the first day of new water, and every day going forward until a reservoir change, you really cant have an accurate EC reading if you are adding PH up or PH down. Would this be correct?
I'm thinking that right way is like you say. Take the water, subtract what the water PH is. Add you nutes up to desired EC, then adjust your PH, but still i think every addition of Up or DN after that would give you an inacutrate EC reading...
db297
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I need to follow your ppm conversation because I don't know very much about it, and need to learn.
I just got a ppm meter last week. When I did my drain/replenish Monday, I wrote down what the ppm was at every step, and at the end I was very confused.
I use distilled water. It measured 002.
Then I wrote down what the ppm was after I added each nute:
after micro - 212
after gro - 386
after bloom - 418
after superthrive - 419
Then I put this one gallon into the tank with the other 5 of just plain distilled water. Then when I took the tank's ppm - it measured 985. I don't get that at all.
I use GH Floral series nutes and "reg" superthrive.
I just got a ppm meter last week. When I did my drain/replenish Monday, I wrote down what the ppm was at every step, and at the end I was very confused.
I use distilled water. It measured 002.
Then I wrote down what the ppm was after I added each nute:
after micro - 212
after gro - 386
after bloom - 418
after superthrive - 419
Then I put this one gallon into the tank with the other 5 of just plain distilled water. Then when I took the tank's ppm - it measured 985. I don't get that at all.
I use GH Floral series nutes and "reg" superthrive.
SlikWiLL13
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400, wow...i though i had it bad. you use it right? awesome, something we agree on.
and you guys ph before you add nutes? it comes out right in the end?
i guess youd have to figure that into my methods as i ph dead last.
we dont care about your feeling toward FF, whats this about the army, and why are you still talking about produce?
tSunami13
Active Member
Nothing political here. Just marketing. Oh wait I live in a capitalistic society. Show me these other nute companies that make products for pot? Cause if not I'm going to miracle grow. They seem to have the most money to market nutes! And they say it works!!!! State fair champions. Just as soon as I can take my pot plants to the state fair I am all about miracle grow.
Mr.Bob Saget
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You need to find out at which conversion your Meter is using. You should be able to go on the manufactures web site and find out. Then you need to find out which conversion your nutrient company is using, if they don't show you EC. This is why everyone should start to know EC, it is the universal language, like the metric system!
SlikWiLL13
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this is where we get out of my element. im not a DWC guy so im not nearly as concerned with that as you guys. i was asked to come here by bob to talk about flushing.
MostlyCrazy
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Slik, Yep I use it and use GH hard water micro (only mfg. that has a hard water version as far as I know). Add a little cal mag since in one of my earlier grows I had a mag deficiency. Been fine ever since. PH is 7.6-7.8 also. I ph down it to about 6.5 to start, add my nutes and check it and it's usually drops a point or two, then I add the additive and it drops another point or two and is usually around 6.2-6.3 at that point. Next morning it up to about 6.8 or so and I use 5ml of ph down and that get it back to about 6.4-6.5, Next day it's back to about 6.7 and I use another 5ml of ph down and that bring it to about 6.3. Next day about 6.5 and I use about 3ml of ph down and it goes to about 6.2 and I leave it there when in flower. If I'm in veg I ph down it to 5.8 and it work pretty much the same way but ends up at that number after a couple of days. It's almost like I have to saturate the junk in the tank from my water. At that point it stays within .1 for as long as I let it stay in the res. I use PH's water at 5.8 to add as needed during flower. I also add a bit of nutes and additives every 3rd or 4th gallon added during flower. I start it kind of high on the nute schedule ( if it says 5-10mg per gallon I use 10mg) and want to back it down a bit during the week. Not doing exact science here but it works for me and my loaded water. At some point I'll get a whole house RO filter and be done with all this. Right now I just do it a little at a time and have no signs of PH related problems.