Advanced Stealth Hydro Bubbeponics Thread

[Roseman]

i used to be a die hard flusher, like 3 wks every time. one day an old timer argues with me for so long that i started to listen to him. he said, 'to corn farmers flush thier fields? do outdoor crops get flushed? to you flush your garden crops at home? no, no, and no. its not necessary.

people say you need to make your plant 'use up stored nutes so there gone when you smoke the bud'. its quite evident when your plant is using up stored nutes because the leaf yellows, browns, and falls off once its depleted. but the bud remains unchanged when we smoke it.

the last several weeks of flowering is when your plant will be bulking up the most and requiring the most nutrients so why starve it. i compare it to training for a marathon for months and not eating breakfast the morning of the race.

I have to agree with you on NOT Flushing.. Grow Books and a lot of growers argue with us tho.

What really changed my mind was 2 things, 1 was studying CURING and what it does. And 2, Experience, I tried it. I had two tanks, 3 females in each, and I flushed one tank for a week, had it on plain water for a week, and did not flush the other. I thought I'd get a special or sweeter taste from the flushed one. The one I did not flush, the plant and buds were larger, because they ate and grew all the way up until they day I harvested them. The other tank, they starved and quit growing.
And there was no TASTE difference.
I do have to say tho that on that grow, I had NO Supplements, NO Catalyst, No Aditives, nothing but straight nutes. And I properly CURED for 30 days too, converting the stored nutes into sugars that were tastey.
Maybe, if you use a lot of nute addititives, nute soup I call it, then you need to flush to get a better taste, MAYBE.

AND, I'll tell you, I started adding a little Nitrogen, or VEG nutes the last two weeks too, and I still don't taste it.

 

[Roseman]

Just because some drinkers like the taste of salt on their margarita, and some don't, doesn't mean that they both can't enjoy their margarita!

And I have bought fresh garden beans, peas, and corn that I wish HAD been flushed, because of the fertilizer taste.

 

[SlikWiLL13]

thanks roseman, my friend.

to all

 

[Roseman]

thanks roseman, my friend.

to all

You're welcomed, but We are ALL friends here, and there is not a grower here on RIU that I admire more than Mostly Crazy. He's a super nice friend, a fellow BubbleHead, and he knows his grows, and he knows much more than I do about nutes, supplements, catalyst, etc

It is just a matter of preferences and tastes. When my girls have Flowered for 8 weeks, I know I am very near the harvest time. I get very anxious, like a little kid 7 days before Christmas. I can start killing them by starving them, or I can try to get more out of them by feeding them that last week.
I have smoked a bud the day of harvest, quick dried in the microwve, and it tasted like crap, like metal shit, like chemical fertilizer smells. BUT after curing it 30 days, ahhh,,,how sweet it is!

 

[SlikWiLL13]

I have smoked a bud the day of harvest, quick dried in the microwve, and it tasted like crap, like metal shit, like chemical fertilizer smells. BUT after curing it 30 days, ahhh,,,how sweet it is!

exactly. its all about the cure.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

We are in fact all friends here and friends can disagree. I have found that since I do use high nutes and supplements that flushing is beneficial. It takes all kinds and I'm one of them! LOL! Peace to all!

 

[SlikWiLL13]

We are in fact all friends here and friends can disagree. I have found that since I do use high nutes and supplements that flushing is beneficial. It takes all kinds and I'm one of them! LOL! Peace to all!

 

[Bongtok4u]

Man you guys are crazy cant we just fire it up and call it the day.
Dont you guys know everything done on this site is mostly trial and error. If it wasnt none of us would be here.
We are all just learning from each other so we can produce the best buds possible. So go fire it up!

 

[tSunami13]

Heres some info on nute requirements for 3 different strains.
Try this http://www.growersunderground.com/PhosphorusMyth.pdf some good scientific info PDF format. I thought I would throw this out there since Roseman mentioned giving some N in the last few weeks. Some of these pdf's show that some strains require more N in the flowering stage then the veg. Just some info to ponder.
http://www.growersunderground.com/blog/hydroponics-articles/the-great-phosphorus-myth-exposed

I like the videos since it is the only nute company that has them. I would love to see GH, FF, and the others throw out some helpful info like this since I know people use that stuff too!

 

[db297]

I haven't read this thread for a day or so. I have to say that MC & Slik are BOTH wrong.

You pull your plants about 2-3 weeks beforel they're ready because you just can't wait any longer, and then you smoke them!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SlikWiLL13]

I haven't read this thread for a day or so. I have to say that MC & Slik are BOTH wrong.

You pull your plants about 2-3 weeks beforel they're ready because you just can't wait any longer, and then you smoke them!!!!!!!!!!!!

but your forgetting the several large jars of cured herb downstairs. whats the hurry?

 

[db297]

but your forgetting the several large jars of cured herb downstairs. whats the hurry?

Maybe because I don't have several large jars of cured herb downstairs??

 

[SlikWiLL13]

Maybe because I don't have several large jars of cured herb downstairs??

you keep them upstairs?

 

[Mr.Bob Saget]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is what I found on Fox Farms web site, and there feeding schedule goes right up to 8 weeks of flowering, doesnt day anywhere to flush:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Will I get a chemical taste from the minerals in Grow Big® and Tiger Bloom®?[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Absolutely not. Both formulas are made with high-quality fertilizers, micronutrients, and organic catalysts. You’ll never have to sacrifice flavor when you use Fox Farm products.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks for the debate SlikWill and MC.
[/FONT]

 

[tSunami13]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is what I found on Fox Farms web site, and there feeding schedule goes right up to 8 weeks of flowering, doesnt day anywhere to flush:
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Will I get a chemical taste from the minerals in Grow Big® and Tiger Bloom®?[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Absolutely not. Both formulas are made with high-quality fertilizers, micronutrients, and organic catalysts. You’ll never have to sacrifice flavor when you use Fox Farm products.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thanks for the debate SlikWill and MC.
[/FONT]

Sounds good until you ask FF about using there nutes to grow pot, then they want nothing to do with you ( oh wait they will take your money then leave you low and out. Haha, wish it was high and dry, just broke and no support) Funny thing, the schedules relate to pot but they will not support you when grow pot. I guess if you grow tomatoes and peppers you do not need to flush.

 

[tSunami13]

Why do all the nute companies sell a flushing product? Must be good for something if they all have one. Just like they all have nutes and additives. Why not try to make the best pot on earth, or is everyone just satisfied to follow?
Ben Franklin didn't invent electricity he just figured out how to harness it! No need to invent pot, it already here, just make it the best most potent shit on earth.

 

[tSunami13]

What goes in comes out. Does anybody care what they eat? Is it big mac's 24/7/365? Well do you think your plants want junk food? Or some grade A primo nutes? I love the mj but since I can't live on junk food I don't expect my plants to live on it either. Oh by the way McD's say's you can live on their shit, but are you at your full potential eating big mac's? BK is even worse, they care even less about health, stuff is still damn tasty and I am full but shortly after I have a lovely present for the sewer. Wow it's amazing that my body can take all that nutritious stuff out of a whopper in 20 minutes. Oh wait nothing nutritious was even in the whopper but I am still full. What gives? Same thing goes for my (Fox farms) "tomatoes and peppers". Oh wait McD's says it will provide nutrition, so no worries, I believe everything I read, esp the nute companies that say "I will have the biggest tomatoes and peppers ever!" f them I don't grow toms and peppers! I grow marijuana! And just like myself which I avoid junk food, I do the same for my plants. Hey if your growing toms and peppers there is a load of nute companies out there for you, I grow pot so I like stuff that is for them, not for tomatoes, peppers, carrots, crap, and cukes. This feeds into the TLC of the plants. Feed them junk and you shall reap junk. Feed them what they need and give them love and they shall reward you with big fat juicy buds!

 

[Mr.Bob Saget]

Why do all the nute companies sell a flushing product? Must be good for something if they all have one. Just like they all have nutes and additives. Why not try to make the best pot on earth, or is everyone just satisfied to follow?
Ben Franklin didn't invent electricity he just figured out how to harness it! No need to invent pot, it already here, just make it the best most potent shit on earth.

Its called marketing...

 

[Mr.Bob Saget]

What goes in comes out. Does anybody care what they eat? Is it big mac's 24/7/365? Well do you think your plants want junk food? Or some grade A primo nutes? I love the mj but since I can't live on junk food I don't expect my plants to live on it either. Oh by the way McD's say's you can live on their shit, but are you at your full potential eating big mac's? BK is even worse, they care even less about health, stuff is still damn tasty and I am full but shortly after I have a lovely present for the sewer. Wow it's amazing that my body can take all that nutritious stuff out of a whopper in 20 minutes. Oh wait nothing nutritious was even in the whopper but I am still full. What gives? Same thing goes for my (Fox farms) "tomatoes and peppers". Oh wait McD's says it will provide nutrition, so no worries, I believe everything I read, esp the nute companies that say "I will have the biggest tomatoes and peppers ever!" f them I don't grow toms and peppers! I grow marijuana! And just like myself which I avoid junk food, I do the same for my plants. Hey if your growing toms and peppers there is a load of nute companies out there for you, I grow pot so I like stuff that is for them, not for tomatoes, peppers, carrots, crap, and cukes. This feeds into the TLC of the plants. Feed them junk and you shall reap junk. Feed them what they need and give them love and they shall reward you with big fat juicy buds!

This is the most unintelligent paragraph I have read all night, and I bet you thought you really brought it all together with those analogizes.

You could have just said that you don't like Fox Farm it would have made more sense.

 

[SlikWiLL13]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is what I found on Fox Farms web site, and there feeding schedule goes right up to 8 weeks of flowering, doesnt day anywhere to flush:[/FONT]

thats because FF doesnt make a flushing product. ever notice every company that tell you to flush just happens to have the perfect product for it?

Why do all the nute companies sell a flushing product?

because you guys keep buying them. do you think they sell nutes because they love fucking horticulture? no, its big business. just look at the names of some of the products theyre coming out with. the whole humbolt nute line sounds like its from a weed comic book. its marketing, and you boys are eating it up.

What goes in comes out. Does anybody care what they eat? Is it big mac's 24/7/365? Well do you think your plants want junk food? Or some grade A primo nutes? I love the mj but since I can't live on junk food I don't expect my plants to live on it either. Oh by the way McD's say's you can live on their shit, but are you at your full potential eating big mac's? BK is even worse, they care even less about health, stuff is still damn tasty and I am full but shortly after I have a lovely present for the sewer. Wow it's amazing that my body can take all that nutritious stuff out of a whopper in 20 minutes. Oh wait nothing nutritious was even in the whopper but I am still full. What gives? Same thing goes for my (Fox farms) "tomatoes and peppers". Oh wait McD's says it will provide nutrition, so no worries, I believe everything I read, esp the nute companies that say "I will have the biggest tomatoes and peppers ever!" f them I don't grow toms and peppers! I grow marijuana! And just like myself which I avoid junk food, I do the same for my plants. Hey if your growing toms and peppers there is a load of nute companies out there for you, I grow pot so I like stuff that is for them, not for tomatoes, peppers, carrots, crap, and cukes. This feeds into the TLC of the plants. Feed them junk and you shall reap junk. Feed them what they need and give them love and they shall reward you with big fat juicy buds!

what the fuck are you talking about? who feeds thier plants big macs?

they wont talk to you about growing pot with thier nutes because ITS ILLEGAL. the 8 wk nute regimen is for pot, is for pot, is for pot. no question. no other plant gets vegged for 4 wks then switched to 12/12 fro 8wks. be thankful they provide that for all those people who cant grow weed without instructions.