You have no first amendment

[TreesOfLife]

Seeing as how there are multiple 'above statements' your lack of clarity has again stymied any progress being made on this argument.

Again you are a piece of work. keep diggin...

 

[jrh72582]

Wow dude. Just set fire to the thing already.

Set fire to it? You just fell down the slippery slope. I never said disregard the constitution! Most amendments are stated in a context where they will never need interpreting. They're clear and always applicable. There's no wiggle room. But a couple of the amendments HAVE to be interpreted in a more clear manner so as to comport with the new realities facing the US. The right to assemble is one of them.

How does this lead to setting fire to the other steadfast amendments? Explain. You act as though I make an extreme argument when in fact I state what every constitutional professor knows as acceptable theory. I state the mundane and you act as though it's extreme. Do you realize this?

 

[jrh72582]

Riots aren't always a bad thing. The government should be scared by us.

Race riots. I saw Neo-Nazi's use their first amendment right as a pretext to begin a race riot, in which they succeeded. I know one example proves nothing, but situations like this must be controlled.

 

[jrh72582]

Again you are a piece of work. keep diggin...

Keep making useless statements that prove nothing. Or post some more videos. Either way, same realm.

 

[jfgordon1]

Set fire to it? You just fell down the slippery slope. I never said disregard the constitution!

I jumped the gun. My Bad. However, IMO.. if you give an inch you give a mile. If you change one little thing here.. one little thing there. Before long you have a completely different document.

 

[jrh72582]

I jumped the gun. My Bad. However, IMO.. if you give an inch you give a mile. If you change one little thing here.. one little thing there. Before long you have a completely different document.

Agreed. You remember Animal Farm? Napoleon's minor adjustments to "all animals are equal".

 

[jfgordon1]

Agreed. You remember Animal Farm? Napoleon's minor adjustments to "all animals are equal".

yes, GREAT BOOK. When i read it when i was young i dismissed it. As I became older, and starting putting things together.. the reality of it set in*.

 

[Operation 420]

Rex84 anyone?

 

[TreesOfLife]

Rex84 anyone?

Reagan what...

 

[Operation 420]

Reagan what...

Golly, Reagan was so swell. He saved us from those nasty communist's. Win one for the Gipper Ronnie!

 

[Rob Roy]

RX 84 wasn't a reference to Reagan, it is a reference to Fema Camps. The kind where they put people during civil unrest.

 

[doobnVA]

RX 84 wasn't a reference to Reagan, it is a reference to Fema Camps. The kind where they put people during civil unrest.

"the kind of FEMA camps where they put people during civil unrest"

Never heard of those kind of FEMA camps. Never seen any, either.

 

[TreesOfLife]

RX 84 wasn't a reference to Reagan, it is a reference to Fema Camps. The kind where they put people during civil unrest.

Yes, But the reason it's a reference to Reagan is because it was done under his watch in 1984. =)

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Okay, so I watched the video and it's completely biased and negatively juxtaposed. Having permits for peaceful protests has been law for decades now. Decades. You can still peacefully protest in almost any area without a permit, but for some high traffic and volatile areas, you need permits. It's not an ideal situation, but it in no way indicates a complete erosion of the first amendment.

And those kids were looking for a fight. Even the editor of the video is unethically juxtaposing text to communicate agenda. When the SWAT guy moved his hand our of sight, the text read "reaching for his taser", which he wasn't doing. Inserting this text reminds people of the "don't tase me, bro" incident from months back. It's a complete pathos appeal and only weakens an argument. This video is amateur at best and proves nothing at all. It has an agenda and seeks to illusion. I mean, you must see this. Look at it objectively.

That was the National Mall. If anyone could congregate there freely at all times, it would be chaos. I remember some twenty years ago when the National Socialist Neo-nazi's tried to protest there without a permit, and of course, were turned away. It's probably a necessary law in that area.

And JRH, are these permits free?

If they are not free then they are a restriction on free speech and the right to peacefully assemble are they not?

 

[Operation 420]

There is actually no permit required for peaceful assembly.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

There is actually no permit required for peaceful assembly.

Did you watch the video, and hear what was said?

 

[jrh72582]

And JRH, are these permits free?

If they are not free then they are a restriction on free speech and the right to peacefully assemble are they not?

They're free where I live. In fact, if I'm permitted to protest and the city thinks it may stir up enough controversy, they'll send police to monitor the protest, protecting US (the protesters). No joke.

 

[TreesOfLife]

They're free where I live. In fact, if I'm permitted to protest and the city thinks it may stir up enough controversy, they'll send police to monitor the protest, protecting US (the protesters). No joke.

You would need a babysitter.

 

[Keenly]

They're free where I live. In fact, if I'm permitted to protest and the city thinks it may stir up enough controversy, they'll send police to monitor the protest, protecting US (the protesters). No joke.

ill bet you any sum of money that as long as the general population of police AGREED with your protest... that would happen

if they did not like you or your message, they can and will make hell


have you seen the video of police and security officials (from the building across the street none the less) threatened We Are Change saying they were going to report them for having bombs?

this was at ground zero protest for truth..

"your bag has wires coming out of it i think its a bomb im going to report you"

 

[TreesOfLife]

ill bet you any sum of money that as long as the general population of police AGREED with your protest... that would happen

if they did not like you or your message, they can and will make hell


have you seen the video of police and security officials (from the building across the street none the less) threatened We Are Change saying they were going to report them for having bombs?

this was at ground zero protest for truth..

"your bag has wires coming out of it i think its a bomb im going to report you"

The police would never do that they love you.