Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[CrackerJax]

It only takes one you tube to start a conspiracy theory.....pulling off that conspiracy is near impossible however. Talking about it is easy though... getting noobs to believe it is even easier.

 

[NoDrama]

Unfortunately for you I was of the belief that something was amiss the very second the first tower disintegrated and fell. I watched every second of that day since I was on vacation and could devote the time.No you tube viewing necessary, no outside influence whatsoever. It does not take a huge leap of faith to figure out something is wrong when a building designed to take airplane hits ( All Skyscrapers are designed for that) destroys itself because of an airplane hit and the small ensuing fires.

 

[NoDrama]

I don't buy all of the NIST report either. 7 is tough to wrap your head around.

I don't know what structural damage occurs when two of the largest buildings in the world collapse near a perfectly good building. I have to imagine the intensity of seismic activity is pretty high. Much less part of the collapse falling on the building itself. I expect it is pretty devastating. I don't know if it would "shake off" fireproofing. I don't have a strong enough argument or research to even address it at the moment.

I do not buy that fireproofed steel "expanded", cracking the footing.


However my inability to figure out what happened in that one building does not leave only the alternative of controlled demolition. So many other aspects of that theory are utterly impossible, illogical, or incorrect. This argument is very difficult. Conspiracists, because of the very nature of the conspiracy, accept un-credible and disingenuous sources... while refusing to accept "credible" sources.

There are also different kinds of conspiracists. There are the tin foil hat wearers, who believe everything is a conspiracy, and every failure in their lives is directly attributable to conspirators. They love Art Bell, and believe in EVERY conspiracy. Conspiracy is their go-to, and, frankly, are typically mentally unstable. Revelation has no effect on these people without a lot of therapy to get there. It is the reason Dr. Phil is a joke. Getting dysfunctional people on stage, and just telling them what is obviously wrong with them does not effect change. There is a reason psychologists/psychiatrists follow the proceedures they do to achieve a "breakthrough". No matter what evidence you provide to them, it will become twisted and unsettling in their heads, which rationalizes their behavior.

They are impossible to argue with.

Then you have rational people, who simply interpret evidence differently than others due to their experiences. Typically they have inquisitive minds and the fortitude to express their opinions. While they may not concede easily, they are logical, and an ultimate decision of fact or fiction is possible through the process of debate. They cannot help the company they keep. I certainly believe I am right, as do they. Anything is possible, and there is so much that is unknown, and may remain unknown forever... all we can do is try to come together on the preponderance of evidence... and we will likely part this discussion unchanged. It is of merit to try, on both sides, to find an ultimate truth.


ATC would have to know. The northeastern seaboard is the most heavily observed airspace in the world. You could not switch planes without SOMEONE catching it.
Military personnel would have to know. Fighter jocks are not marines. Ground crews, readiness crews... these people train for this all day every day. ONE of them would have to say WTF? Norad station workers would have to know. I mean ffs these guys think the reporters knew ahead of time. Firefighters had to know... there is video of dozens of them saying 7 was gonna fall. The dead/not dead passengers can't keep this to themselves, from their families... so you have to assume that they were killed, by someone. NTSB would also have to be in on it, without a single investigator calling foul.


I would also point out that nobody has addressed the buckling of wtc 1 and 2.

Riddle me that.

Just those conspirators alone... do you know what they all have in common?

Their lives are dedicated to saving American lives, and not a single person has ever come forward.


This is why I keep asking the same question that no conspiracist will answer.

How many people minimum would be required to pull this off?

Thats a really good post WH. Bravo man!

About the only thing I could nit pick was your statement that none of the people who were out their rescuing folks ever came forward . Well you would be wrong there, LOTS of people who were their in official capacities have come forward. They have lost their jobs, had their lives threatened, their families threatened and whenever possible have been discredited by the "Official" sources as wackos, or tin foil hatters. You know as well as I do that there are plenty of folks who were there that day and are asking questions.

I could be totally wrong about 911, maybe 19 dumb ass foreigners from Saudi and Packi who could not fly a plane at all according to the instructors who taught them actually DID Hijack the planes with plastic knives/box cutters and then flew them into the towers. And maybe the military WHO 24/7 365 days a year has a Jet waiting on standby that can be in the air in just 7 minutes. And MAYBE because they were having an exercise that dealt with hijacked planes flying into buildings they all just thought it was the exercise and not real. AND JUST MAYBE those 500C fires really did some how melt all that steel at once and then those floors pancaked and then disintegrated into dust and all that metal just failed all at once. Then you have buildings right next to the towers that while sustaining major major damage did not fall, but a building on a different block of the city did all of a sudden fall and it exhibited the least damage of all the buildings in the area. AND maybe Bush really did see the first plane crash into the towers, I mean he has stated that he saw it on TV, when we all know that isn't true. Sure that maybe all happened like they said it did, but there is so much evidence against those facts that I just can't believe it. I saw it happen all live and even then I highly doubted it.


ATC will try radio contacting a plane that loses its transponder while in flight. this is not deemed a serious emergency unless 2 things happen. 1..the plane does not answer to radio calls and 2...The plane makes a severe heading change and goes completely off the flight path. The seriousness of #2 is especially important as there are a SHIT load of planes in the sky on the east coast and a plane that has lost its transponder and cannot be contacted and has changed course puts thousands of lives at risk, mid air collision is a garanteed death sentence for all. ATC would definitely not consider this a "Ordinary" occurance as the only times it ever happens is when the plane has crashed or has been Hi Jacked. either way lives are at risk and it is taken very seriously.

 

[NoDrama]

The minimum amount of people for any conspiracy is 2, so we will just go with that for an answer for now. It would take far far too long to come up with an actual good estimate, besides, it would not prove a single thing either way.

 

[what... huh?]

Try not to vet my proofs before I get there...


So you believe it is feasible that 2 human beings planned, planted ordinance, remote controlled airplanes, and detonated the buildings. I know it is a hard question. I have dedicated a lot of time to really hard questions. Give me an hour. Spend an hour figuring out how many people had to know... at minimum.

 

[CrackerJax]

I think you all need to ask yourselves, ..."Why don't I believe a well trained terrorist cell could fly planes into towers?"

 

[pot scott]

It's really about taking the blame off Al Queda. All of the conspiracy "theories" have been shown to be false, but a core section of folks WANT it to be true...like alien abduction. I put 9/11 "theorists" in the very same category.

woah, woah, woah, now ur gettin out of hand, i do believe in alien abductions. puttin 9/11 conspiracies in the same category with factual info makes no sense, one is real and one isn't!And anyone who can dismiss thousands upon thousands of ppl who don't know each other with such similar accounts of abductions is extremely ignorant, thats like saying we are the only life in the universe. just stupid!

 

[CrackerJax]

It's not factual if it is pulled out of context and twisted into a new reality. That's basically what the 9/11 conspiracy is. Of course what it is FIRST, is a money maker for the authors... ka-CHING!!!$$$

 

[Keenly]

I think you all need to ask yourselves, ..."Why don't I believe a well trained terrorist cell could fly planes into towers?"

maybe you should ask yourself

why do i accept everything the government is spoonfeeding me

why are we in the middle east 8 years later

why is there over 1 million of the "opposition" dead

there are so many questions even the victims families have, the government refuses to answer...


so WHY

why does the gov. refuse to answer our questions

why do they completely disagree with a new 9/11 investigation (the first one was a joke) when all of the victims families ask for one?

we just want our questions answered

when we get answers like "that never happened" or "i cant comment"

doesnt that sound a little fishy to you

 

[pot scott]

It's not factual if it is pulled out of context and twisted into a new reality. That's basically what the 9/11 conspiracy is. Of course what it is FIRST, is a money maker for the authors... ka-CHING!!!$$$

but who's to say all those hundreds of thousands of ppl across the world twisted there account of alien abduction into a new reality? that's nonsense, but ur right about those conspiracies makin $$$ for evil ppl who are obviously communist radicals.

 

[Keenly]

it has just dawned on me that you people have done 0 research into the events of 9/11

other than the news


thats a truly reliable source of information yes sir

 

[Keenly]

why dont we talk about how thousands of first responders are dead or dying from respitory diseases from the dust of the towers


the same dust that was deemed safe, on television, by the chairman of the EPA


now, with all of these sick and dying heroes

the government REFUSES to compensate their healthcare costs...

when it was THEIR fault they have the problems, deeming an area safe when it was not

 

[CrackerJax]

but who's to say all those hundreds of thousands of ppl across the world twisted there account of alien abduction into a new reality? that's nonsense, but ur right about those conspiracies makin $$$ for evil ppl who are obviously communist radicals.

No, I'm saying the 9/11 conspiracy takes the facts and then twists them.

With alien abductions, there just aren't any facts to twist, but the methodology is the same. Prey upon disgruntled people who WANT to disbelieve (anything). These authors are taking it to the bank and the lapdogs who love this stuff get duped just like TV churchers do...

Take any big event, see if there is a large enough segment of folks who don't like the reality of the event, ...and simply FILL the VOID with what they want to hear.... simple...and very profitable...

 

[Keenly]

the problem is... there are many many a documentary out there on 9/11

but you people refuse to watch this type of media....

so we cant source it


you guys on the otherhand have almost nothing to defend your case other than what the news said and when government officials said

 

[CrackerJax]

Unfortunately the word "documentary" has been sullied by the likes of Michael Moore, who couldn't produce a real documentary to save his life.

What you mean to say is there are many ppl out there with editing software and a vidcam who can put together through out of context copy/pasting and editing, a movie.

Hardly a documentary, and hardly accurate. They don't intend to be accurate, since they don't think you will really run down their sources. I have run down many of the sources and found them corrupted. No thanks.... I'll just believe that a terrorist cell can attack an unprepared nation....any nation.

 

[hom36rown]

it has just dawned on me that you people have done 0 research into the events of 9/11

other than the news


thats a truly reliable source of information yes sir

Well, since your CN's consider watching movies to be research, I've done plenty of research. I watched both Zeitgeists and Loose Change. I am just not gullible enough to believe them. Loose change for example, was written by some dumb kid in his basement. He started writing it as a work of fiction, and then half way through he realized someone might actually fall for it, and started marketing it as a documentary.

 

[jfgordon1]

Unfortunately the word "documentary" has been sullied by the likes of Michael Moore, who couldn't produce a real documentary to save his life.

What you mean to say is there are many ppl out there with editing software and a vidcam who can put together through out of context copy/pasting and editing, a movie.

Hardly a documentary, and hardly accurate. They don't intend to be accurate, since they don't think you will really run down their sources. I have run down many of the sources and found them corrupted. No thanks.... I'll just believe that a terrorist cell can attack an unprepared nation....any nation.

Cracka please. I know you're smarter than that. We were prepared.. we just let it happen.

 

[mexiblunt]

it has just dawned on me that you people have done 0 research into the events of 9/11

other than the news


thats a truly reliable source of information yes sir

I have watched many hours of these doc's. I don't buy half the shit on them either but they do bring up alot of other points. Kinda like a connect the dots. sometimes you need not draw the line to see the image.

there are doc's with the victims families, firemen Atc all of the above that WHAT HUH? was asking about but they are just that. Most of em hurt the truth movment too... I take a small percentage of each one as truth or likely or plausable so after dozens of hours i'm left with 1 or two worth of solid info.

 

[jfgordon1]

I don't know what you people want. Grow and Drama "debunked" every "debunker"...

Look who benefited from this?

 

[Keenly]

Well, since your CN's consider watching movies to be research, I've done plenty of research. I watched both Zeitgeists and Loose Change. I am just not gullible enough to believe them. Loose change for example, was written by some dumb kid in his basement. He started writing it as a work of fiction, and then half way through he realized someone might actually fall for it, and started marketing it as a documentary.

Jason Bermas had many friends lost on 9/11 ...

the man is also very smart

it was not started as fiction, and apparently you know nothing about Bermas

your entire post was inaccurate


and zeitgeist? or however you spell it

that should never be mentioned by anyone


what im talking about is

9/11 and the road to tyranny

fabled enemies

terror storm

the 9/11 chronichles