A freaking answer would be appreciated!!!!

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MobTies

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This is now my fourth post on this forum and im starting to get pissed. Apparently i was wrong in choosing this forum to join? Nobody seems to know any answers or would just rather ignore me. Real friendly community this is... I have posted the same thing for the third freaking time and had mutliple views, yet i seem to be ignored when the newer posts have already been replied to several times. This is why i was sooo hesitant to join any sort of forum to begin with. I even said so in my intro post under the newbie section. Do you all think your too good to help a fellow toker out? or maybe too touchy of a subject? Im just trying to save some money in this weak economy by growing my own greens. Here is my last attempt to get my reasonable questions answered...:cuss::mad:

Hello everyone, this is only my FOURTH post on this forum so please forgive my improper vocabulary usage in regards to the plant part identification...
I noticed the distance from the small round leaves on two of my new seedlings, are different from the next new set of actual leaves growing off the main stem (the internode?). Could this be because of the distance i keep my seedlings from my light? or possibly just genetics? I am using a CFL system that i fabricated and the lights are currently about 3-5 inches from the plants. The whole system is setup in a reasonably reflective white paintjob inside of a closet. I am well aware of the heat issue but i can assure you that the plants will not burn unless you want to stand there for a long time and hold them by hand. Its extremely hot here all the time so the room temp is approx 79-84F for 24 hours with two Oscillating Circular Fans (6in & 12in). I placed a bowl of water underneath the 6in fan in order to cool the air it blows onto the plants and hopefully add a slight bit of humidity. I think i can honestly say there is not a whole lot of humidity in the room. But i do cover the new seedlings with a clear bag and one hole punch to keep the freshest sprouts in an adequate environment. Im home most of the time, so i leave the door open while i am here to circulate fresh air and expel the hot. The only time the door is closed, is when i leave or go to sleep.
My other inquiry is about the IR (InfraRed) signature of a CFL system. Would a grow setup with anywhere from 5-12 CFLs be as detectable as HPS or MH lights? The "ghetto bird" as we call it; flies all over the city and I wanna be sure that their FLIR camera wont pickup my IR signature using CFL setup. Would Panda pad lining work to reflect outside IR detection? or would it be too thick for such a hot place? I know there is always the mylar option... Thanks for any help.
 
Spasticsmoke

Spasticsmoke

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i feel your pain man, some times people just dont respond at all, and it can be a little frustrating when you are trying to get something answered... the other thing is people here LOVE pictures, as the saying gose they are worth a thousand words.

as far as the spacing on your leaves i wouldn't be to worried about it, an increas in the spacing would be a sign of streaching aka the lights are to far away, a decrease is normal (atleast from sprout for me the internodes had less and less inbetween them, making a bushy plant)

obviously you know the heat isn't in the 'ideal' range but your trying your best, some times our situations dont allow us to have the perfect condictions, but MJ is a WEED and are hard to kill off if you follow the basic steps to growing. I'm not saying it can't be done. im just saying they are resiliant.

I'm not sure about the cfl's and the light spectrum as im more of an outdoorzy type, but somone will chime in on that.. but as far as the getto bird seeing you i wouldn't be concirned at all, think about the small amount of heat you are putting out with respects to the ambient heat around you, the getto bird would have no reason to suspect a grow or go threw the legalities of getting a warrent blah blah blah for a small cfl grow in a closet. the heat signiture of your grow will bairly show up if at all, and will only appear as someone with there lights on... those systems are really to find LARGE operations where there is a significant amount of heat... like 300+ plants in perpetual.. i wouldn't be concirned about the panda stuff it will only riase your temps im guessing

good luck and give the fourm a little time to get back to you, ive had the same things happen to me, it appears the more responses you get the more people will stop by.. especially once somone has said something becuase people love to prove others wrong... its just an internet thing.
 
brasmith

brasmith

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MobTies said:
Hello everyone, this is only my FOURTH post on this forum so please forgive my improper vocabulary usage in regards to the plant part identification...
I noticed the distance from the small round leaves on two of my new seedlings, are different from the next new set of actual leaves growing off the main stem (the internode?). Could this be because of the distance i keep my seedlings from my light?Yes the spacing between nodes on new vegging plants has everything to do with how far away your lights are, it is called stretching. Since you are using cfls you can bring them close, like 1-2 inches away from the top of the plant. or possibly just genetics? I am using a CFL system that i fabricated and the lights are currently about 3-5 inches from the plants. The whole system is setup in a reasonably reflective white paintjob inside of a closet. I am well aware of the heat issue but i can assure you that the plants will not burn unless you want to stand there for a long time and hold them by hand. Its extremely hot here all the time so the room temp is approx 79-84F for 24 hours with two Oscillating Circular Fans (6in & 12in). I placed a bowl of water underneath the 6in fan in order to cool the air it blows onto the plants and hopefully add a slight bit of humidity. I think i can honestly say there is not a whole lot of humidity in the room. But i do cover the new seedlings with a clear bag and one hole punch to keep the freshest sprouts in an adequate environment. Im home most of the time, so i leave the door open while i am here to circulate fresh air and expel the hot. The only time the door is closed, is when i leave or go to sleep.
My other inquiry is about the IR (InfraRed) signature of a CFL system. Would a grow setup with anywhere from 5-12 CFLs be as detectable as HPS or MH lights? The "ghetto bird" as we call it; flies all over the city and I wanna be sure that their FLIR camera wont pickup my IR signature using CFL setup. Would Panda pad lining work to reflect outside IR detection? or would it be too thick for such a hot place? I know there is always the mylar option... Thanks for any help.
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Cfls do not throw enough to be detected. You are safe, the getto bird will not see you.

So far you set up sounds fine for your seedlings. :peace:
 
Spasticsmoke

Spasticsmoke

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ohhh la la you got FDD to look at your thread you have made it in the community, some say hes a god.. others say god is him.
 
grow space

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yo man.so the answers, the answers-your plant may be stretching, it is nice 4 you to post some pics too(makes shit a lot easyear)
i would keep my cfls about an 1-2 inches away cas you now the deal about the light penetration levels on cfls.also how what are the light sechedule???
man-dont worry about the FLAIR cams-cfls emit so less heat that no worries in that compartment.
i hope il answered to all your questions, if not post some more and will short that shit out.


peace man.......
 
Green Cross

Green Cross

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fdd2blk said:
hello and welcome to rollitup. bongsmilie
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Yes welcome

IR sig is nothing to worry about unless you have a commercial grow op

2. Yes, The stretch on 2 of your seedlings was most likely due to light placement. Keep those CFL's within an inch or 2 (once they have their 3rd set of real leaves.
 
grow space

grow space

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Spasticsmoke said:
ohhh la la you got FDD to look at your thread you have made it in the community, some say hes a god.. others say god is him.
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He maded to the community?????WTF dude-hes already in the community!!!!I hate your kind of people-f***** ass whipers.:peace:
 
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skunkman98536

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Hello, and welcome.

First off, if ur using ANY kind of CFL the light bulbs should be only 1-3inches away. Perferably an inch or almost touching.

ya CFL's can not be detected w/flir. If a grower knew how to vent and such all he wud have to do if e used a mh or hps is simply vent it through ur house and make it come out ur dryer hose. So it looks legit.

Mylar wud be ur best option, i i do beileve it reflects upwars to 90%+ of the light.

Flat white is like 80 or 85%. Never use foil, or gloss paints, these will (A) either create hot spots or (B) Actaully soak in the light, like a mirror wud do.
 
doobnVA

doobnVA

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I wouldn't worry about internode spacing unless the plants are really starting to stretch. CFLs don't get that hot, so you can put 'em pretty close to the plants. Most folks say an inch or so.

Since CFLs don't get very hot, I wouldn't even worry about a helicopter. I use CFLs in every lamp and lighting fixture in my house, and there's no way that a helicopter flying over would be able to "see" them. FLIR just reads the surface temperature of things, so as long as your grow room is the same temperature as the rest of your house and properly insulated - there's no worry.

As far as humidity goes, you actually want to keep it low. High humidity can lead to mold and fungus problems on the leaves and (later) flowers, insects, root rot, etc.. and those are things you want to avoid =) Temperature sounds fine, just make sure there is plenty of circulation.
 
Hairy Bob

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Humidity shouldn't be low, just not above 70% rh for veg and most of flowering, then drop to 30-40% for the last 2-3 weeks. There's a page in the FAQ about it. Hang on, I'll find it.
 
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MobTies

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Wow! thank you all so much for the replies!:clap: I didnt mean to come across like a jerk. Im just a lil sketchy about the bird the flies overhead. They like to land at the airport a few miles north of my place and that means they fly over all the time. I grew up in a military family and im a big time hunter, so im mostly worried about my firearms. I treat them and my plants like most people treat their children! In fact i treat my firearms better lol. So i wanted to make sure that all my babies are going to be safe from those who choose to take away my rights. I have the unfortunate incident of living in a state where everything is a felony so i was getting kind of anxious in hopes of some quick replies.
I have also been taking video and 7sec digital pics of my grow from seed. The worst part of all happened last night though! My new little kitten destroyed or possibly ate my third sprout! So im down to three plants now. I will try to pickup a computer cable for my camera and learn how to put some pics up to keep you all posted.
 
laserbrn

laserbrn

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I am glad you got some answers to your relatively simple questions. The only answer you really need right now though is..............read the FAQ.

Buy a Marijuana Horticulture Book or 2 or 3 and educate yourself. Nothing in life is free. You can't expect to join a forum, ask VERY basic questions and get everyone to come in and hold your hand on growing plants. Your questions make it very clear that you haven't done the proper amount of learning/reading and groundwork. At the rate that you are asking questions you will ask at least 1000 questions on your first grow and definitely kill your plants.

Educate yourself, take it upon yourself to learn and don't act as if it's the duty of a MJ growing community to walk you through the process.

If you are serious enough about growing MJ you will find your OWN first post very, very humerous in 12 months. That is if you take the time to understand and to learn all about it.
 
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MobTies

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laserbrn said:
I am glad you got some answers to your relatively simple questions. The only answer you really need right now though is..............read the FAQ.

Buy a Marijuana Horticulture Book or 2 or 3 and educate yourself. Nothing in life is free. You can't expect to join a forum, ask VERY basic questions and get everyone to come in and hold your hand on growing plants. Your questions make it very clear that you haven't done the proper amount of learning/reading and groundwork. At the rate that you are asking questions you will ask at least 1000 questions on your first grow and definitely kill your plants.

Educate yourself, take it upon yourself to learn and don't act as if it's the duty of a MJ growing community to walk you through the process.

If you are serious enough about growing MJ you will find your OWN first post very, very humerous in 12 months. That is if you take the time to understand and to learn all about it.
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I understand where you are coming from laserbrn. This is not my first grow attempt though. I have grown successfully before, but it was several years ago and i was using a 400w HPS. It was in my very first apartment using very basic materials but i managed to be the only successful grower. The buds tasted like apples and had a strong sativa look to them, and the high was borderline trippy. That was my last attempt for several years because of a raid that was done in the same complex i was in, but only two buildings down! They got pinched because of their IR signature from the bird flying around the city. So naturally, i was extremely worried and decided not to grow for a long long time. CFLs are new to me and i just wanted to be absolutely sure now that im a registered firearm owner. I have so much more to lose now that im older, so urgency of the replies was vital if u dig?
I would consider myself a knowledge junkie and have read about all i can handle for the next couple weeks on growing. Stretching is nothing new to me and i learned from the first time that light distance is a factor but that was using HPS. I do not expect anyone to hold anything of mine through the whole process. I just needed simple clarification of the questions in my own form. No worries though. I appreciate any and all input available!
 
skunkman98536

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hey mob!

ya for sure keep those kittys away from the plants!

I myslef have two cats and the littleer one looooooovs my plants, and the bigger one likes it but he cud really careless haha
 
Spasticsmoke

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grow space said:
He maded to the community?????WTF dude-hes already in the community!!!!I hate your kind of people-f***** ass whipers.:peace:
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first off... Its a joke, learn the meaning of the symbol you used.

second, i dont hate your kind of people, i hate YOU.. so there.

i hope you can understand this, as i didn't use all the question/exclimation marks you did to express your apparent sheer confustion/extreme excitement.

grow up.!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?
 
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