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So glad to see you just don't care enough either way to bother.
Yes. We are just silly.
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So glad to see you just don't care enough either way to bother.
Yes. We are just silly.
The clean up crew didn't have to cut jack shit. It was already all cut into 10 foot lengths for them when they got there. Seriously though look at all the smoldering piles around them, they haven't started clean up yet. You would remove all the dangerous smoldering things before you would have someone stand on top of it while cutting tons of beams down. Common sense.
Thousands of people died, our liberties were taken away because of it, Wars were started using it as a springboard to attack. Yep no sense in debating this.
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Ok... these would be one of those "facts", because of the "conclusive evidence".
It is no longer debatable whether or not cleanup cut any beams.
This is yet another one of those "Thank God" photos, where if someone on the crew hadn't happened to snap the photo (as the area was restricted access), I would spend months arguing how, why, and when they cut beams. Log that in your head.
It is no longer debatable whether or not cleanup cut any beams.
This is yet another one of those "Thank God" photos, where if someone on the crew hadn't happened to snap the photo (as the area was restricted access), I would spend months arguing how, why, and when they cut beams. Log that in your head.
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They were well into cleanup. The sources for all of these images are the same.
October. Look like they are doing cleanup?
Here we are mid December.
Please tell me when you think this was taken, and why.
huffy420
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I agree, I never said they didn't cut any beams. IDK why your trying to prove the clean up crew cut beams. Its foolish to think that they didnt have torches out there. Here is what I dont get... There is no justifiable reason to make a 45 degree cut on a beam thats being scrapped anyway. Why not make a square 90 cut and be done with it?
There were reports of crew workers whose boots would literally melt from the intense heat of the melted steel deep within the pile of rubble, which burned for months and spewed out like lava. Just more Thermite proof for me! Anyone with any real knowledge would know that a normal ass fire buried under several stories of rubble would not have sufficient oxygen to burn for months. Let alone be able to reach temps of melting steel....
http://911lies.org/former_gov_officials_speak_openly_911.html
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Top of the page.
Firstly, I have posted a picture twice now, showing them being cut on angle during cleanup. This is not debatable. Your question why is debatable... easily.
Because they have to fall in a specific direction. Ever done any tree work? You don't want to be trying to figure out what direction to run in when it falls. There are ground crews, and they have to also be clear of the area when taking down the last of the huge remnants. These were large structures. People really just fail to understand the scale of this.
A thermite reaction lasts in the seconds.
Do you have the faintest idea what would happen to your head if you put it above a thermite reaction? Do you have any idea what the vapors alone would do... much less the unfathomable heat.
This just all seems so silly to me. I don't mean to be insulting, because some of you are clever people... but this is just... ridiculous. You people do not understand the forces at work here. Few do. I don't. I know, at least, that it is largely beyond me... and I am a fairly clever guy.
That is why I fall time and time again to the notion of dogma. So many people WANT to believe this so badly, that no matter how many topics I address, no matter how many things I debunk... they are wired to believe this. They are so spiteful of their fantastic country and lives that they will ALWAYS believe this.
Your life, is fucking fantastic. Whatever bullshit you think sucks... there are not tribes of warlords driving around cutting off you and your families arms with machetes.
How you can hate your country so much is beyond me.
Again I ask Drama. How many minimum were involved. You said between 1 and 1 trillion or some such nonsense.
It would take more than one, and I didn't ask for a total.
I told you it would take some thought.
How many minimum would be REQUIRED, MINIMUM. That IS a number you can come up with.
GrowRebel
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Ah ... what for? ... you show a picture of something we already knew and never denied?
No you get a grip. People died and are still dying because of this. Crimes are being committed TODAY because of this. The murderers have not been brought to justice. People what a REAL investigation ... do you mind? No you get a grip.kiss-ass
Once again you are blowing it out your ass. I work construction and those beam don't have to fall a certain way ... they don't do it as stupid as that. The beam is held in place by a crane or excavator until it is straight cut, then PLACE where they want it ... they don't play the let it fall shit ... not something as big as those beams ... so another one of your bullshit theory blown.
Not disputing that ... only that they made 45 degree cuts ... something they would not do.
Oh no you wouldn't have ... because I blew that bullshit in one minute.
Well if they are all the same then you won't have any problem providing us with the link will you?
Absolute and total bullshit ...what? ... you don't think we can look at a picture? Not one shows any worker cutting at a 45 degree angle ... not one ... point it out ... we know your delusional mind see things far different so you will have to point that picture out. The only angle cuts are the ones with the firemen standing in front ... blowing it out your ass again.
Ah no ... they don't ... you obviously know nothing about construction.
Ever done any construction work dealing with skyscrapers? Didn't think so.
So tell us bright boy ... how are they going to cut these angle and be clear at the same time? Explain it to us.
Like you?
Says the thermite expert.
Well it's quite clear you certainly don't know.
The fact that the firemen are all around looking at the result of thermite proves they won't "vaporize".
You and a couple of others are the ones that don't understand ... not us. Deal with it.
Bullshit ... it not that we WANT to believe ... it that we can't ignore the evidence like you can ... it's as simple as that. It is you that DON'T WANT to believe because you are afraid to face the truth. That's your problem, not ours.
Bwaa ha ha ha .... how many things you've debunk .... bwaa ha ha ha ... now that's too funny.
You will ALWAYS have you head in a hole in the ground ... you really want to believe the government lies no matter how ridiculous ... knock yourself out ... it only make you look like a sheep, but that is your right ... just don't push your sheeple ways on us ... we are not going to go along with it. 911 was an inside job. Until a REAL investigation takes place the government and you will have to deal with us "nut job" "truthers". Too bad ... so sad.
Our lives may be "fucking fantastic" but our country is in distress and it up to we the people to come to her defense. She is being assaulted by war criminals and we have to stop them. If you can't handle that ... fine ... but don't get in our way ... we are going to fight for a real investigation whether you or the government likes it or not.
We love our country ... that's why we fight to have these war criminal brought to justice ... and I can't comprehend why you would stand by and allow your country to be assaulted by war criminals ... you should be ashamed to call yourself an american. If you are one.
And I'm going to TELL you again ... we won't know that for sure until we have a real investigation ... now will we ...
Once again trying to side step the real issue. Won't work ... even though you keep trying ... it still won't work. You've been OWNED once again. All too easy.
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Grow... I don't read your posts. I haven't in some 50 pages. You have probably worked yourself into a frenzy "winning" arguments against me that I am not having with you. I told you already, if you want me to address something, you will have to wait for drama to read it and relay it. You are a lunatic, and I don't waste my time with lunatics. I will not be reading your reply to this either.
They aren't out to get you... you really DO need to take your meds. You will be a lot happier.
They aren't out to get you... you really DO need to take your meds. You will be a lot happier.
What..huh. You said that a thermite reaction lasts seconds? You way way off on that one there buddy, I have had actual experience with the stuff, and it goes for quite a while, hell even a thermite grenade burns for at least 5 minutes, more than enough time to burn through a tank, from all the way from the top armor, through the whole engine block and out the bottom, I timed it, took about 3-4 minutes depending on where it was placed. You don't have ANY experience with thermite do you? None at all right? The reaction lasts for quite a while depending on how much material you have to fuel it, a 1 gallon container could go for over 20 minutes. Its not like gun powder or anything, its no explosive and does not burn up quickly.
You think we hate our country..THAT IS WRONG AS COULD BE. If I didn't love my country I really wouldn't care if we were killing people by the thousands with impunity, the fact is i LOVE my country more than most, thats the whole reason why this charade must end. You can call me names I don't care, call my theories/Arguments BS all you want, but don't you ever call my love of country into question ever again!! I served my country for 8 years through Desert Storm and Somalia, I was shot at, had scuds land near us. Slept many nights in the mud and dirt for years I did this without want or complaint! I helped rescue thousands of People in the Philippines from Mt Pinatubo when it blew. I spent MANY MANY long cold nights vigilantly watching for the enemy. How dare you call my love for country into question!! What service have YOU done for your country???
I will not speculate how many people it would take to have this conspiracy, suffice to say people do not have to know it is a conspiracy to be a part of it.
FWIW I do enjoy debating with you and I don't take most of it personal, there are no hard feelings.
You think we hate our country..THAT IS WRONG AS COULD BE. If I didn't love my country I really wouldn't care if we were killing people by the thousands with impunity, the fact is i LOVE my country more than most, thats the whole reason why this charade must end. You can call me names I don't care, call my theories/Arguments BS all you want, but don't you ever call my love of country into question ever again!! I served my country for 8 years through Desert Storm and Somalia, I was shot at, had scuds land near us. Slept many nights in the mud and dirt for years I did this without want or complaint! I helped rescue thousands of People in the Philippines from Mt Pinatubo when it blew. I spent MANY MANY long cold nights vigilantly watching for the enemy. How dare you call my love for country into question!! What service have YOU done for your country???
I will not speculate how many people it would take to have this conspiracy, suffice to say people do not have to know it is a conspiracy to be a part of it.
FWIW I do enjoy debating with you and I don't take most of it personal, there are no hard feelings.
Antidisestablishmentarian
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Maybe you don't understand his razor... When all evidence is presented, the simplest answer is the right one.
So you would think that after all this time someone would come forward and say:
"Hey, you know what's weird? Like a week before the trade centers dropped, my company had us in there tearing off fireproofing all over both towers, exposing the beams. Then some guys came in and attached this stuff to it. Couldn't quite figure out what it was, but there was like 300,000 pounds of it."
I don't have evidence, but the evidence that has been provided has a way simpler explanation than "thousands of people were in on a great conspiracy to start a war for oil!"
Here's a vid of 1000 pounds of thermite burning. It went pretty quick, but the car burned forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAYZMzGMwQ
So you would think that after all this time someone would come forward and say:
"Hey, you know what's weird? Like a week before the trade centers dropped, my company had us in there tearing off fireproofing all over both towers, exposing the beams. Then some guys came in and attached this stuff to it. Couldn't quite figure out what it was, but there was like 300,000 pounds of it."
I don't have evidence, but the evidence that has been provided has a way simpler explanation than "thousands of people were in on a great conspiracy to start a war for oil!"
Here's a vid of 1000 pounds of thermite burning. It went pretty quick, but the car burned forever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPAYZMzGMwQ
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I was under the impression that they used buffering agents to slow the reaction, and other compounds to increase the heat... Which have no application in demolition. You want precision timing... at least as far as I can see. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I have only experienced watching thermite reactions on the internet. It is easy enough to make, and I do enjoy such... but have not yet personally. I stated that a long time ago. I have watched dozens, however, and they ALL lasted in the seconds. It is certainly much slower than other ordinances... which is why they don't use it in demo.
You hate your government, which we elect to represent us, and govern us, so much that you are committed to a belief. I was asserting that you hate your country because of your vitriol for its government, and people (the majority of your countrymen) who are "blind" to what you see is the country. You love "your" country, which exists in concept only. The country you love doesn't exist. I don't know if it ever really did. That was my take anyway.
You seem to hate the country you live in.
I thank you for your service. I appreciate it daily. I praise you. I defend your actions and honor, for defending my ass... and my families. I vote with you in mind. That is what I do for my country. I am more useful behind a monitor than a scope to be sure, but where my profession meets what I do for my country is difficult to say. You need only understand that my decisions are all based in my loyalty to it, to you, and to my family. I am here, arguing with you... still... motivated only by love of country.
The one I actually live in.
You do nothing but speculate. That is ALL you have done, and all you can do under the circumstances. You have been speculating for 80 pages and God knows how many years, and NOW you refuse to speculate? Does that strike you as odd at all to read?
You will not even explore the question honestly because the answer threatens your dogma. Never fear questions. It betrays something about you.
Speculate.
Indulge me. Note the number of people by position. (ie
Whitehouse - 4
CIA - 3
ATC - 1)
Minimums.
That's not what it means, it means the simplest explanation is most likely the right one, not ALWAYS.
Ahh the magic of video editing, if you look at the shadows cast by the crane, a couple of hours have elapsed, also they did not show the bottom of the vehicle, you would still see thermite reacting there, once it melts through the vehicle it goes where gravity makes it go. It does not sit on top in the bags, it melts into a liquid and melts through everything until it sits on the earth and smolders.
You also have NO experience with thermite do you?
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PadawanBater
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WH, do you think people could be a part of this conspiracy without having any knowledge of it at all? Like, do you think a lot of them could have just thought they were following orders from the top like any other day before?
That's one thing I don't think you've considered... A lot of these people who helped make the events happen were completely unaware of what they were doing, and it was simply business as usual.
Think of it like this;
The CEO of a company is about to be replaced, he's pissed, he thinks he's earned a lot more than the severance package they gave him, so he decides to hire his buddy to come and rob the building before he leaves... The CEO tells all employees and guards on floors 10-15 to stay clear, they're going to be doing some construction or renovation on that area and it should be quiet anyway, no need for security...
Next day the place is dry as a bone, every dollar is gone.
Are the employees and security guards to blame? Did they have anything to do with anything, or were they simply doing their job, same as always, as usual?
See what I mean, they had no idea what was happening... they were just following the boss' orders...
Think about it.
That's one thing I don't think you've considered... A lot of these people who helped make the events happen were completely unaware of what they were doing, and it was simply business as usual.
Think of it like this;
The CEO of a company is about to be replaced, he's pissed, he thinks he's earned a lot more than the severance package they gave him, so he decides to hire his buddy to come and rob the building before he leaves... The CEO tells all employees and guards on floors 10-15 to stay clear, they're going to be doing some construction or renovation on that area and it should be quiet anyway, no need for security...
Next day the place is dry as a bone, every dollar is gone.
Are the employees and security guards to blame? Did they have anything to do with anything, or were they simply doing their job, same as always, as usual?
See what I mean, they had no idea what was happening... they were just following the boss' orders...
Think about it.
umm no, the reason i don't want to try and figure it out is because i am half way through my harvest today and don't have the time to devote to figuring out how many minimum it would take. When you become a mind reader let me know so I can take you to Vegas with me.
You extol my virtues, yet you still say I hate my country, LOL you don't know anything about me or the way I feel. You don't suppose I spent 8 years in the Marines just so I could have a good skill set relegated to killing people do you?
I actually think many many people believe or at least unknowingly know ( If that makes sense) that 911 was BS the way it all went down. They may not number 300 million, but it sure as hell isn't a small number. The white sheep always outnumber the independent thinking black sheep.
In other countries many foreigners also believe it was BS, it only takes common sense to see it. Alas that is a super power now a days.
GrowRebel
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Oh no? Then why this post? I don't need you to read my post. I'm merely making sure that none of your stupid and ridiculous statement don't go unchecked.
You just love making shit up that can easily be disproved can't you? You can't seem to help yourself.
You mean those statements you call arguments that I blew out of the water? I really don't care if you respond or not ... it doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is you not getting away with
ing any bullshit. I can understand why you won't respond ... because you will continue to lose and made to look ridiculous. It's very easy to do too ... like that bullshit about falling a certain way ... that was rich! ha ha ha!And I'm tellin' ya again I don't care if you address anything ... my mission is to keep the record straight ... something you are incapable of doing.
I don't have to wait for anything to read or address your bogus comments.
Better to be a "lunatic" that can see the obvious truth, than a "love my government no matter what" lemming ... I wear the badge proudly.
I never wasted your time ... you wasted my and the others posting sense in this thread ... it is very wise to pretend you don't read my post ... it keeps you thinking you haven't been exposed as a person with their head in the sand ... but you have been exposed ... many ... many ... many times. And it FUN too!
Nor are there "terrorists" out there after you, and the government isn't protecting you from "them"
What makes you think I'm not happy? It's a joy OWNING you isn't it! Perhaps if you'd follow your own advise you would be a lot happier.
Next Victim!
Antidisestablishmentarian
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I just stated that it burned pretty quick, that length of time versus months.. well that is pretty quick.
They have used thermite a lot. Need more?
I can show you tons of actual footage of thermite burning relatively quickly.
It's cool though, you are going to believe what you wish.
I can't stop that.
I can put you in the same category as the no moon landing people though(in my mind).
Do we have a thread on that? Maybe I should start one lol.
They have used thermite a lot. Need more?
I can show you tons of actual footage of thermite burning relatively quickly.
It's cool though, you are going to believe what you wish.
I can't stop that.
I can put you in the same category as the no moon landing people though(in my mind).
Do we have a thread on that? Maybe I should start one lol.
GrowRebel
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Ah yes ... another video with that Danish scientist that found evidence of thermite and can prove those towers were demo ... he is on London TV ... obviously there is nothing but crickets from corporate media. They certain don't want these stories to hit the airways.
Just more proof of the obvious.
Nano-thermite took down the WTC?
[youtube]4RNyaoYR3y0[/youtube]
So this scientist must be another one of those "lunatics" wh is babbling about ... bwaa ha ha ha... check it out folks scientific prove the WTC were demo.
Just more proof of the obvious.
Nano-thermite took down the WTC?
[youtube]4RNyaoYR3y0[/youtube]
So this scientist must be another one of those "lunatics" wh is babbling about ... bwaa ha ha ha... check it out folks scientific prove the WTC were demo.
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WH, do you think people could be a part of this conspiracy without having any knowledge of it at all? Like, do you think a lot of them could have just thought they were following orders from the top like any other day before?
That's one thing I don't think you've considered... A lot of these people who helped make the events happen were completely unaware of what they were doing, and it was simply business as usual.
Think of it like this;
The CEO of a company is about to be replaced, he's pissed, he thinks he's earned a lot more than the severance package they gave him, so he decides to hire his buddy to come and rob the building before he leaves... The CEO tells all employees and guards on floors 10-15 to stay clear, they're going to be doing some construction or renovation on that area and it should be quiet anyway, no need for security...
Next day the place is dry as a bone, every dollar is gone.
Are the employees and security guards to blame? Did they have anything to do with anything, or were they simply doing their job, same as always, as usual?
See what I mean, they had no idea what was happening... they were just following the boss' orders...
Think about it.
Of course I get it. Under conspiracy theory I am a part of the people unknowingly complicit by foolishly dedicating myself to the rationalization for war against a non-existent enemy.
What I don't get is how you can think the number of people knowingly responsible could do so.
ND, when you were a soldier... would you have been complicit in this? Would any soldier you knew?
How do you figure out who to tap? Do you kill all the ones who wont comply with those orders?
Was the AF pilot who "was on stand down" because he opted to fly a training exercise rather than be on ready alert? Which guy from your unit would you accuse of being in on it? Because you are accusing someone in SOMEONES unit. Several someones. This large requires lots of military.
It requires clerks who shipped the tons and tons of explosives on palates. It requires demo experts. It requires Corps of Engineers. NORAD handlers... and on and on. That is why you wont.
I will make it easier.
How many MINIMUM of your fellow service men had to be in on it?
You cannot, simply cannot, keep something of this scale quiet amongst men sworn to protect... us.
side note... whatcha growin? LOL.
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