Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

[what... huh?]

No, you dont seem to understand basic physics. You think that extra 700 is that "easy" to obtain? Hahaha! Just missing one key element... A pure compound! Its IMPOSSIBLE for a fire to reach those temps without the aid of pure compound, thus making a controlled burn. Without a pure compound max temps can only reach 1400, which is well under the threshold to melt steel. Idont see why people keep bringing up the fire..... What fire? I see no effin fire!

I have demonstrated, from more than 3 independent accredited sources that steel looses half of its rigidity at 1000 degrees.

I have demonstrated that a gas fire, which also is incapable of reaching 2700 degrees, melted structural steel of similar size in half of the time, from more than 4 accredited sources including the CA state government.

"He beats his fists against the posts yet still insists he sees 6 ghosts"

 

[natrone23]

What temp does a fire have to get for steel to lose 50% of its strength can somebody tell me this ?

 

[natrone23]

How hot were the fires in the towers?

 

[GrowRebel]

I have demonstrated, from more than 3 independent accredited sources that steel looses half of its rigidity at 1000 degrees.

bwaa ha ha ha ... see how he continues to make shit up folks? We keep telling him that the steel was treated with fireproof material ...you saw the construction pictures ... you really believe a plane impact and fire can bring down all that fireproofed reinforced steel? ... but he continues to spin, because that's all he's capable of doing ... but never fear ... I will continue to make him look

I have demonstrated that a gas fire, which also is incapable of reaching 2700 degrees, melted structural steel of similar size in half of the time, from more than 4 accredited sources including the CA state government.

Bwaa ha ha ... don't you just love how he makes shit up ... there was nothing unusual about the bridge fire ... no questions about it ... no accusations ... no evidence other than it was an accident ... we keep telling him the bridge bullshit don't fly ... yet he continues to use it as prove ... even though it's been discredited.

"He beats his fists against the posts yet still insists he sees 6 ghosts"

This guy is beating his head folks ... he believe if he beats it enough we will begin to buy his bullshit. Too bad that's not going to happen.

 

[natrone23]

When these planes hit the buildings did they blow off all the fire proofing material?


How man gallons of Jet fuel were they carrying?

 

[huffy420]

This is for a standard fire not one caused by thousands of gallons of fuel and no to mention the energy of impact hen the plane with the building..

Dude for the last time.... all your THOUSANDS of gallons of fuel burned up in a mere 2 seconds. What other flammable material could of made the giant fire ball? Since you seem to believe these towers were completely drenched...

And to add to the point, according to the architects and engineers who designed the towers, these buildings were designed to withstand several commercial jet impacts. They also had the ability to flex and sway to deal with high winds coming in from the Atlantic. Go and research yourself, Ive already done it.

researchers from the same laboratory examined turbulent diffusion flames under slightly different conditions, and found peak values of 1150-1250°C for natural gas flames, which is rather higher than 900°C.

READ CAREFULLY(seeing you obviously cant read your own "facts" before you post them)

You see that word in red there it says......natural gas...... okay, did it sink in yet? Now, when you add natural gas (mostly methane) to a fire, you now what what we call a controlled burn..... Are you still following? Cuz im getting tired of retyping it... When you move from a uncontrolled burn (i.e jet impact to building) to a controlled burn (introduction of pressurized gas/pure compound i.e. oxygen, natural gas, acetylene), this is the only way to reach 1200 celsius as your post stated above.

Note this is all in C? 1200 c = 2192 F


Cite: http://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html

Good work on the conversion thats about the only thing you got right out of your whole post

Quick poll!! How many of the 911 truthers believed the official story in the weeks months years after?

I never believed the Official Story, I was a junior in high school, walked into 1st period history and the first tower had already been hit. Then I saw Bushs reaction (in Florida reading to some kids i think), S.S. agent walks up to him, delivers news,......nothing.... no reaction, just a nod and back to reading the fuckin book!!! As if rehearsed....

IF OUR COUNTRY'S NATIONAL SECURITY IS UNDER SUCH THREAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE EVACUATED IMMEDIATLEY! Not givin the chance to finish "See Spot Run" or whatever we was attempting to read.

Then he later stated "I stood in the hall and watched the first tower hit on the t.v." OOOOPS.... No one saw the first plane hit! Unless you were in the financial district of manhattan...

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Dude for the last time.... all your THOUSANDS of gallons of fuel burned up in a mere 2 seconds. What other flammable material could of made the giant fire ball? Since you seem to believe these towers were completely drenched...

And to add to the point, according to the architects and engineers who designed the towers, these buildings were designed to withstand several commercial jet impacts. They also had the ability to flex and sway to deal with high winds coming in from the Atlantic. Go and research yourself, Ive already done it.







READ CAREFULLY(seeing you obviously cant read your own "facts" before you post them)

You see that word in red there it says......natural gas...... okay, did it sink in yet? Now, when you add natural gas (mostly methane) to a fire, you now what what we call a controlled burn..... Are you still following? Cuz im getting tired of retyping it... When you move from a uncontrolled burn (i.e jet impact to building) to a controlled burn (introduction of pressurized gas/pure compound i.e. oxygen, natural gas, acetylene), this is the only way to reach 1200 celsius as your post stated above.





Good work on the conversion thats about the only thing you got right out of your whole post




I never believed the Official Story, I was a junior in high school, walked into 1st period history and the first tower had already been hit. Then I saw Bushs reaction (in Florida reading to some kids i think), S.S. agent walks up to him, delivers news,......nothing.... no reaction, just a nod and back to reading the fuckin book!!! As if rehearsed....

IF OUR COUNTRY'S NATIONAL SECURITY IS UNDER SUCH THREAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE EVACUATED IMMEDIATLEY! Not givin the chance to finish "See Spot Run" or whatever we was attempting to read.

Then he later stated "I stood in the hall and watched the first tower hit on the t.v." OOOOPS.... No one saw the first plane hit! Unless you were in the financial district of manhattan...

Let's see, he's reading a book to a bunch of kids.

The attacks are underway...

I'm thinking that perhaps the idea was to finish the book (which couldn't possibly have taken more than 30 minutes.)

Bush is not superman. He wasn't about to drop the book, rush into a janitorial closet and emerge to fly to NY in mere seconds to stop the attacks and blow out the fire by flying around the building really fast creating a tornado-like vortex to starve the flames of air.

What do you think he could have done?

And then there's the issue of having to know what he was actually told (in all of what, 5 seconds? 30 seconds?) by the person that was speaking to him.

The fact is that we ultimately are all speculating as to what the truth was/is.

 

[dgittings]

I don't know if anyone mentioned a video called 'core of corruption'. After watching video it's almost too much to think that the government didn't have anytheing to do with it. If you still believe that our govt is for the people watch this video, really.

 

[NoDrama]

I don't know if anyone mentioned a video called 'core of corruption'. After watching video it's almost too much to think that the government didn't have anytheing to do with it. If you still believe that our govt is for the people watch this video, really.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054

 

[NoDrama]

Let's see, he's reading a book to a bunch of kids.

The attacks are underway...

I'm thinking that perhaps the idea was to finish the book (which couldn't possibly have taken more than 30 minutes.)

Bush is not superman. He wasn't about to drop the book, rush into a janitorial closet and emerge to fly to NY in mere seconds to stop the attacks and blow out the fire by flying around the building really fast creating a tornado-like vortex to starve the flames of air.

What do you think he could have done?

And then there's the issue of having to know what he was actually told (in all of what, 5 seconds? 30 seconds?) by the person that was speaking to him.

The fact is that we ultimately are all speculating as to what the truth was/is.

According to Bush himself, he actually WATCHED the first plane hit the first tower, then he went to read to the kids, he was well aware that the towers were in distress before going into the classroom. Never mind that NO ONE saw the plane hit the first tower on TV, the video was not aired until the NEXT day. So he is either lying or he really did see it happen, and the only way to see it happen is if you already knew it was going to happen. either way he is culpable.


FWIW. More people are killed by peanuts each year than all americans have been killed by terrorists in 250 years. Im not scared of terrorists, they are not a threat.

 

[NoDrama]

The kinetic energy transferred to the building was not converted into heat, it was converted into kinetic energy on the building, the building supposedly swayed almost 2 feet when it was hit, literally soaking up all that energy. Oh its designed to sway up to 6 feet total if really high winds are acting upon it. So basically the plane hitting it was less energy imparted than it deals with year in and year out with high wind loads.

 

[NoDrama]

How hot were the fires in the towers?

Absolutley no one knows for sure what the temps were, because no tests were done to verify that fact while it was happening.

You can tell its not a very hot fire though, as evidenced by the yellow flames. Yellow/orange flames are the coolest flames, your going to spend a bunch of time trying to heat steel up enough to melt with yellow flames. in fact it will never happen, they just don't get hot enough. Yellow and red flames are normally in the 650-800C temperatures while blue flames ( From Methane gas) are normally 900-1100C. See any blue flames from any of the 3 buildings? or do you just see red and yellow?

 

[jfgordon1]

Bush is a liar

[youtube]Sm73wOuPL60[/youtube]





Why did Bush and Cheney meet with the 9/11 commission privately? why is that the only way Bush would talk to them?

9/11 is BULLSHIT... that's all there is too is

 

[GrowRebel]

What do you think he could have done?

And then there's the issue of having to know what he was actually told (in all of what, 5 seconds? 30 seconds?) by the person that was speaking to him.

The fact is that we ultimately are all speculating as to what the truth was/is.

The fact that the dog didn't bark is also an indication that 911 was an inside job ... they should have hustled bush out immediately ... how did they know bush wasn't in any danger?
And we wouldn't have to speculate if the government had a public non partisan investigation were witnesses had to testify under oath ... not the kangaroo court ... dog and pony show that took place ... if they do that it would end all speculation now wouldn't it ...but you don't see them doing that and most of us know why.

Here something interesting I want to put up for the record.
Danish scientist Niels Harrit on nano thermite in the WTC dust english subtitles
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On the morning of April the 6th, Professor Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University in Denmark, who is an expert in nano-chemistry, was interviewed for an entire 10 minutes during a news program on the topic of the nano-thermite found in the dust from the World Trade Centre, (WTC).
During this news report, Harrit, who is one of the nine scientists primarily responsible for the pivotal paper entitled: ‘Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe’, talks about how their research, which was conducted over 18 months, led to the conclusion that planes did not cause the collapse of the three buildings at the WTC on 9/11.
He says that they found such large quantities of nano-thermite in the dust from the WTC, that he believes that this compound, which has the ability to melt metal, must have been brought into the WTC site in tonnes, on pallets. Consequently, he suggests that we need to address this matter with those who were in charge of the security at the World Trade Centre on 9/11.
Harrit, like Dr Steven Joneswho also played a major role in this ground-breaking research, refers to their findings as “the loaded gun” and suggests that military personnel might be able to enlighten us more on the little-known topic of nano-thermite, which differs from regular thermite in a number of significant ways, including that its ignition temperature is far lower than that of the conventional kind, [1].
Related:http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM[1]. Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophy
Here is the transcript of the 10 min. interview ...
International researchers have found traces of explosives amoung the WTC rubble. A new scientific article concludes that impacts from the two hijacked aircraft did not cause the collapses in 2001.
Interviewer: We turn our attention to 9/11 - the major attack in New York.
Apparently the two airplane - impacts did not cause the towers to collapse, according to a newly published scientific article. Researchers found nano-thermite explosive in the rubble, that cannot have come from the planes.
They believe several tons of explosives were placed in the buildings in advance.
Niels Harrit, you and eight other researchers conclude in this article that it was nano-thermite that caused these building to collapse. What is nano-thermite?

Harrit: We found nano-thermite in the rubble. We are not saying only nano-thermite was used. Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 C. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron. Nanotechnology makes things smaller. So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive.
It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

Interviewer: I Googled nano-thermite, and not much has been written about it. Is it a widely known scientific substance? Or is it so new that other scientists are hardly aware of it?

Harrit: It is a collective name for substances with high levels of energy. If civilian researchers (like myself) are not familiar with it, it is probably because they do not do much work with explosives.
As for military scientists, you would have to ask them. I do not know how familiar they are with nanotechnology.

Interviewer: So you found this substance in the WTC, why do you think it caused the collapses?

Harrit: Well, it's an explosive. Why else would it be there?

Interviewer: You believe the intense heat melted the building's steel support structure, and caused the building to collapse like a house of cards?

Harrit: I cannot say precisely, ad this substance can serve both purposes. It can explode and break things apart, and it can melt things. Both effects were probably used, as I see it.
Molten metal pours out of the South Tower several minutes before the collapse. This indicates the whole structure was being weakened in advance. Then the regular explosives come into play. The actual collapse sequence had to be perfectly timed, all the way down.

Interviewer: What quantities are we talking about?

Harrit: A lot. There were only two planes, but three skyscrapers collapsed. We know roughly how much dust was created. The pictures show huge quantities, everything but the steel was pulverised. And we know roughly how much unreacted thermite we have found. This is the "loaded gun", material that did not ignite for some reason. We are talking about tons. Over 10 tons, possibly 100 tons.

Interviewer: Ten tons, possibly 100 tons in three buildings? And these substances are not normally found in such buildings?

Harrit: No. These materials are extremely advanced.

Interviewer: How do you place such material in a skyscraper, on all the floors? How you would get it in?

Harrit: Yes. If I had to transport it in those quantities I would use pallets. Get a truck and move it in on pallets.

Interviewer: Why hasn't this been discovered earlier?

Harrit: By whom?

Interviewer: The caretakers, for example. If you are moving 10 to 100 tons of nano-thermite around, and placing it on all the floors. I am just surprised no-one noticed.

Harrit: As a journalist, you should address that question to the company responsible for the security at the WTC.

Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it. Unreacted thermite.
Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world?

Harrit: It is completely new knowledge for me. It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun", it is the "loaded gun". Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

Interviewer: Why had no-one discovered earlier that there was nano-thermite in the buildings? Almost ten years have passed.

Harrit: You mean in the dust?

Interviewer: Yes.

Harrit: It was by chance that someone looked at the dust with a microscope. They are tiny red chips. The biggest are 1 mm in size, and can be seen with the naked eye. But you need a microscope to see the vast majority. It was by chance that someone discovered them two years ago. It has taken 18 months to prepare the scientific article you refer to. It is a very comprehensive article based on thorough research.

Interviewer: You have been working on this for several years, because it didn't make sense to you.

Harrit: Yes, over two years actually. It all started when I saw the collapse of Building 7, the third skyscraper. It collapsed seven hours after the twin towers. And there were only two airplanes. When you see a 47-story building, 186m tall, collapse in 6.5 seconds, and you are a scientist, you think "what?". I had to watch it again ... and again. I hit the button 10 times, and my jaw dropped lower and lower. Firstly, I had never heard of that building before. And there was no visible reason why it should collapse in that way, straight down, in 6.5 seconds. I have had no rest since that day.

Interviewer: Ever since 9/11 there has been speculation, and conspiracy therories. What do you say to viewers who hear about your research and say, "we've heard it all before, there are lots of conspiracy theories". What would you say to convince them that this is different?

Harrit: I think there is only one conspiracy theory worth mentioning, the one involving 19 hijackers. I think viewers should ask themselves what evidence they have seen to support the official conspiracy theory. If anyone has seen evidence, I would like to hear about it. No-one has been formally charged. No-one is "wanted". Our work should lead to demands for a proper criminal investigation of the 9/11 terrorist attack. Because it never happened. We are still waiting for it. We hope our results will be used as technical evidence when that day comes.
So are these guys nut jobs too?

 

[NoDrama]

Of course they are nutjobs, anyone who believes in science and fact is a"NutJob". The people who believe whatever their gubbermint tells them and live in a fairyland where the USA is the good guy and anyone else is the bad guy are the "Normal" people. The nutjobs sometimes refer to the normal people as "Sheep" because they make bleating noises when they try to argue against scientifically proven facts.

 

[NoDrama]

The fact that the dog didn't bark is also an indication that 911 was an inside job ... they should have hustled bush out immediately ... how did they know bush wasn't in any danger?
And we wouldn't have to speculate if the government had a public non partisan investigation were witnesses had to testify under oath ... not the kangaroo court ... dog and pony show that took place ... if they do that it would end all speculation now wouldn't it ...but you don't see them doing that and most of us know why.

Great Post Bro!!

The president must not be an important person compared to the Vice president. During the attacks VP cheney was rushed off to a bunker. but poor Georgie puddin pie was left to get blowed the fuck up while he listened to little red riding hood.

 

[what... huh?]

You want me to speculate on the motives? Hardly provable, I won't get sucked into that one.


An interesting take for someone who begins most of their posts with "Why would", "Why did", and "How could".

I also note that that is below the "just for fun" portion I put in suggesting that it was just mental masturbation and didn't really require an answer.



No... but you are a munitions expert.



And I am asking the ammount of ordinance required to achieve a task. Surely a munitions expert could make a rough guess.


Surely.

I guess that got lost in the fury.

 

[olosto]

Dude for the last time.... all your THOUSANDS of gallons of fuel burned up in a mere 2 seconds. What other flammable material could of made the giant fire ball? Since you seem to believe these towers were completely drenched...

utter bullshit. Yup big fireball. Not all of the gas, look at other plane crashes. BTW i provided cites and you just say, no thats not what happened. Sorry buddy, your going to need to back up your shit with references. Untill then, u fail...

And to add to the point, according to the architects and engineers who designed the towers, these buildings were designed to withstand several commercial jet impacts. They also had the ability to flex and sway to deal with high winds coming in from the Atlantic. Go and research yourself, Ive already done it.

Really because I have 2 examples that say the building falls...

READ CAREFULLY(seeing you obviously cant read your own "facts" before you post them)

You see that word in red there it says......natural gas...... okay, did it sink in yet? Now, when you add natural gas (mostly methane) to a fire, you now what what we call a controlled burn..... Are you still following? Cuz im getting tired of retyping it... When you move from a uncontrolled burn (i.e jet impact to building) to a controlled burn (introduction of pressurized gas/pure compound i.e. oxygen, natural gas, acetylene), this is the only way to reach 1200 celsius as your post stated above.

I never asserted that it said jet fuel. YOU made that assumption. I was giving a cite from house fires that also talked about natural gas... It is a similar fuel for our arguments sake tho.. I was correct here.. The temps talked about here are well over the temps people have stated as fact that are not reachable in a building fire. Im going to assert that if these people have their info so wrong about how hot the fire got, what other so called facts that they are throwing around are total bullshit? Hmm....

Good work on the conversion thats about the only thing you got right out of your whole post

Really? Because you have not offered proof of any of your rebuttals to my post. Just gum flapping..

 

[olosto]

One more thing.. Are you familiar with a furnace?


Ok 2 more things, lol. Prove to me that somehow thousands of gallons of fuel all ignited and not a single drop was left after the impact.. Just proof pls..

 

[snowmanexpress]

All the proof I will EVER NEED to debunk all you conspiranuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92myDzAFgU4

And the palestinians doing thier thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

But, possibly, the whole time we have been there, almost a decade now, plotted, mapped, gps's terrain.

We got to know the sand very well I think, if it pops off, we should be at the ready.

Axis country's now.

Trouble is not from within USA. NWO, FEMA Camps, Globalization. All Utter Crap.

We need to stand together, not divided.

A people divided is no people at all.

We need to stand together as a nation, a world, a people, White, Black, Hebrews, Islamics, China, Japan, UK.

They seem have one hope. A bomb. I know the rest of the country in iraq, iran, doesnt share the ideals of the tyrants running Arabia.

We have everything here with us, Freedom, Love, and Compassion for everybody and our nieghbors. Don't worry about the economy. I have to struggle as well some months, but I know, they are doing thier job at the Fed Res, they WILL NOT allow us to fail, and I will do my best not to fail my country and people and fellow growers alike.

Cmon, we need to stop fighting each other.

Stop the conspiracy, please, it's a fallacy. Think of the families and children of 2001. NEVER FORGET.