INCOME TAXES ARE ILLEGAL: so don't pay.

Tyrannabudz

Tyrannabudz

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That is right, I was getting all baked one day and came across this video on youtube about a cat named Joe Bannister. Joe bannister was an agent for the IRS. He came across some evidence that showed there is no law in the tax code stating that americans have to pay tax on thier labor. Only corporate taxes on gains and profits. Well the last time I checked, at least when I still had a job, my boss wasn't paying me for profits I earned, or gains that I earned. I got paid for my labor. WTF!:evil: Any way when Joe brought this to the attention of his superiors he wanted some type of answer because he was confused as to what laws he was actually enforcing or if they even existed. They said the only thing they could do was help him get the documentation ready for his resignation.:shock: Why do you think there are so many politicians who don't pay income tax, because they know they don't have to. When Timothy Geithner, the treasury secretary was trying to get confirmed he had an issue, he owed back taxes. This was only brought to light to try and make him look bad in our eyes. Now don't get me wrong the guy is a fuckin' leach. But everybody there knew it didn't mean shit. He couldn't just come out and say well neither did you or you or you. That's why his explanation for it was more like the dude asking him was an idiot and he didn't have to explain himself. Because then the cat would be out of the bag. I guarantee he still hasn't paid those taxes. Check it out search Joe Bannister on youtube. Another awesome very eye-opening flick is "The Obama Deception":joint::peace:
 
Tyrannabudz

Tyrannabudz

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strangerdude562 said:
It's now worth not paying, small fish like us are the first ones they go after. Just suck it up and pay.
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That is exactly how they will keep us down. We paid out 972,000,000,000 in income taxes alone. That money does not go back into our gov't., it goes directly into the Federal Reserve. Which is not, I repeat is not a government agency. We all think it is because of the name, but facts are it isn't. The fFederal Reserve Bank was founded under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Which turned over the power of making money to a private bank who was controlled by the Bank of London and the Hapsburgs, who later changed thier name to The Rothschilds. They have been financing countries since the mid 1700's. They financed all participants in both world wars. That's right everyone, both sides, both wars and every war since. They call it the Industrial Military Complex. Income taxes did not exist before the Great Depression. During the time of the depression, which was completely fabricated by the way, by these rich banking families, our country needed to react to bounce back from this funk. In came the Federal Reserve and thier plan, "we'll provide the funds necessary for your country and you will pay us back with interest, by creating an income tax. A tax on the earnings of the citizens." This was thier plan all along. Remember we turned over the power to make money to them in 1913, so we didn't have anything to collateralize that debt with. So we had to borrow. We have been indebted to this bank ever since.
 
cream8

cream8

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there is a great documentary called america from freedom to facism its its by aaron russo. peep it on google video
 
Maybetomorrow

Maybetomorrow

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Great thinking and videos, But to bad we are not lawyers who could try to uphold the loop holes.

Well your labor costs are paid for by capital gains by your employer, so would that not be double taxation because they money was already taxed before? ( Purps got me going deep:joint: )
 
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kubrickzghost

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Tyrannabudz said:
That is right, I was getting all baked one day and came across this video on youtube about a cat named Joe Bannister. Joe bannister was an agent for the IRS. He came across some evidence that showed there is no law in the tax code stating that americans have to pay tax on thier labor. Only corporate taxes on gains and profits. Well the last time I checked, at least when I still had a job, my boss wasn't paying me for profits I earned, or gains that I earned. I got paid for my labor. WTF!:evil: Any way when Joe brought this to the attention of his superiors he wanted some type of answer because he was confused as to what laws he was actually enforcing or if they even existed. They said the only thing they could do was help him get the documentation ready for his resignation.:shock: Why do you think there are so many politicians who don't pay income tax, because they know they don't have to. When Timothy Geithner, the treasury secretary was trying to get confirmed he had an issue, he owed back taxes. This was only brought to light to try and make him look bad in our eyes. Now don't get me wrong the guy is a fuckin' leach. But everybody there knew it didn't mean shit. He couldn't just come out and say well neither did you or you or you. That's why his explanation for it was more like the dude asking him was an idiot and he didn't have to explain himself. Because then the cat would be out of the bag. I guarantee he still hasn't paid those taxes. Check it out search Joe Bannister on youtube. Another awesome very eye-opening flick is "The Obama Deception":joint::peace:
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This is a perfect example why you should NOT educate yourself on YouTube.

Two words as a rebuttal: Sixteenth Amendment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
 
TreesOfLife

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kubrickzghost said:
This is a perfect example why you should NOT educate yourself on YouTube.

Two words as a rebuttal: Sixteenth Amendment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
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You are wrong Sir.


Theft By Deception - Deciphering the Income Tax - Torrent search that if you don't believe me.BUT...I'm gonna make it easy for all the LAZY SLAVES.

You are wrong Sir.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00000861----000-.html

(3) Personal services
Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States; except that compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if—
(A) the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual temporarily present in the United States for a period or periods not exceeding a total of 90 days during the taxable year,
(B) such compensation does not exceed $3,000 in the aggregate, and
(C) the compensation is for labor or services performed as an employee of or under a contract with— (i) a nonresident alien, foreign partnership, or foreign corporation, not engaged in trade or business within the United States, or
(ii) an individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States, a domestic partnership, or a domestic corporation, if such labor or services are performed for an office or place of business maintained in a foreign country or in a possession of the United States by such individual, partnership, or corporation.

In addition, compensation for labor or services performed in the United States shall not be deemed to be income from sources within the United States if the labor or services are performed by a nonresident alien individual in connection with the individual’s temporary presence in the United States as a regular member of the crew of a foreign vessel engaged in transportation between the United States and a foreign country or a possession of the United States.

Before you HATERS HATE link links WITH PROOF YOU MUST PAY TAXES.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Well in a nut shell you do not legally owe any taxes if derived within US borders.

The 16th amendment which does clearly give authority to the federal govt. to collect all taxes was never ratified correctly.

However, the courts will not address this issue since it is a piece of legislation and out of their perusal powers.

So...it is up to Congress to fix their own mistake. Need I go on? That is NEVER going to happen. So, while technically you do not owe the monies, just try and not pay. The courts will be deaf to your arguments.
 
rogmarick

rogmarick

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I owe the irs alot becuase of this minor depression and I can't pay atm so they will just have to wait. I have been told that I could pay a hundred dollars a month and it would keep them off my back. Anyways I feel like I don't owe them shit since I fought for my country twice in Iraq
 
hom36rown

hom36rown

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Well, a friend of mine has not filed in four years now, I'll let you know how it works out for him ;)
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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The 16th amendment grants the FEDERAL govt. to tax just about anything and NOT have to divy it up to the states but spend it as the Federal govt. feels fit.

However, it was not fully ratified by the states. To some states it was not even proposed (your home state being one of them Natrone).
 
Loftiest

Loftiest

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CrackerJax said:
The 16th amendment grants the FEDERAL govt. to tax just about anything and NOT have to divy it up to the states but spend it as the Federal govt. feels fit.

However, it was not fully ratified by the states. To some states it was not even proposed (your home state being one of them Natrone).
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Forty-two out of forty-eight, six more than required...
 
NeoAnarchist

NeoAnarchist

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i just wanted to say soemthing, i saw the same video, and did some research, the word INCOME is described as a business term, and a person is not a business, taxes do not have to be paid by a person because a person cannot make income if they are not a business. a person is not a business. therefore he/she does not make income. HE EVEN BET A SHITLOAD OF MONEY ON THIS WITH ANOTHER IRS AGENT, TOLD HIM TO FIND WHERE IT SAYS A PERSON IS SUPPOSE TO PAY INCOME. THE GUY NEVER COULD FIND IT, AND JUST KEPT SAYING THAT ITS THE RITE THING TO DO.....WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I WERE BET 50,000 TO PROVE SOMEONE WRONG, THERE WOULD BE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT I WOULD PROVE HIM WRONG.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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CrackerJax said:
Well in a nut shell you do not legally owe any taxes if derived within US borders.

The 16th amendment which does clearly give authority to the federal govt. to collect all taxes was never ratified correctly.

However, the courts will not address this issue since it is a piece of legislation and out of their perusal powers.

So...it is up to Congress to fix their own mistake. Need I go on? That is NEVER going to happen. So, while technically you do not owe the monies, just try and not pay. The courts will be deaf to your arguments.
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Some one would have to come up with a new challenge to it, and the only challenge that looks like it hasn't been tested is a 14th Amendment Challenge (Income Taxes = Involuntary Servitude/Slavery)
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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TheBrutalTruth said:
Some one would have to come up with a new challenge to it, and the only challenge that looks like it hasn't been tested is a 14th Amendment Challenge (Income Taxes = Involuntary Servitude/Slavery)
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I don't think that has been tried for a good reason. :lol:

Taxes enable the fed's to keep the infrastructure intact for all citizens. So I don't think working for the common good can be called slavery. Besides, you can always quit your job and jump on the dole. Certainly only half of the nation pays any fed tax.

Not that I agree with it, just pointing it out.
 
TheBrutalTruth

TheBrutalTruth

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CrackerJax said:
I don't think that has been tried for a good reason. :lol:

Taxes enable the fed's to keep the infrastructure intact for all citizens. So I don't think working for the common good can be called slavery. Besides, you can always quit your job and jump on the dole. Certainly only half of the nation pays any fed tax.

Not that I agree with it, just pointing it out.
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I know, but if I had a few million I'd try it for the hell of it. If it's stupid but it works then it isn't stupid.
 
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