K1Ng5p4d3's Cardboard Box Grow (hehe)

[DaGambler]

i think going hydro with her will give a good shot of recovery...

personally, i'm leery of taking clones unless a plant looks like it has health vegetative growth. not too dark and not too light. with a root system already in place, i'd think it would be easier for the mother to recover than for rootless clones to accomplish the task. good luck though, either way. you could always just take a couple clones from her, as well... and then try to heal her up.
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[Thundercat]

I'm with gambler on this. Stick her in the hydro, see what happens, and take a couple clones for insurance man.

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

I did LOL. Not only that but I think I sort of renovated the plant. All of the older main shoots are what I chopped. I took the top 5 nodes of each main branch and used them for cuttings. Nice Fuckin big branches that stand a real chance at rooting for me. I mean, yeah all the leaves were yellowing, the tops were drooping, and they looked sickly as shit, but as soon as I dipped them in rootech n stuck them in rockwool they perked up instantly. I really think I might have not only salvaged the plant, but I think now I stand to yield more than I did before. 5 huge cuttngs, n if they take root then I'll throw right into flower, n hopefully get a good 3/4 - 1 oz from each clone.

Not only that, but the main plant itself is left with all kinds of baby growth, n it's all still green n relatively healthy lookin. So if she perks up then I'll let her veg for a month with everything else n flower her out too. So hopefully shit is lookin up for me on 4/20. I dosed the plant up with some root 66 n thrive alive, n she's lookin like she definitely ain't gonna die, so that's a plus, but it's probably gonna take a while for her to recover. Just like I did with BB, she really don't have any new growth yet, but her roots are super white, new roots everywhere, n the leaves n old growth is lush lookin. Right now as it stands, she looks like a badass banzai tree. Nice n compact, n really lookin healthy. If I can pull that shit with my yuMboldt then I'll be happy as fuck.

Things are kinda slow growing a little on the tables. There's alotta root growth, but with the exception of a couple younglings, eeeything looks like it's been put on pause for a little bit. I'm sure growth will start back up, cuz I set the ppm at 1100 the day before yesterday, n I've had to add more nutes 3 times since then to keep it at 1100. The ppm keeps on dropping, which if I'm correct means that the plants are uptaking more nutes than water right now right? The pH is a little high n I have to swing by the shop n pick some ph down up, to bring it back to 5.8, but I don't think that 6.2 is a big provle
right now is it? Could that be the reason why the girls aren't taking up an equal amount of water n nutes? N if not, do I just keep on adding nutrients to the red to keep it at the ppm I want it at? Or should I raise it even higher n see if it levels off for me. Either way I think that's whY I'm gonna do once I have the ph stabalized. I'm gonna bring it down to 5.8, raise the ppm to 1250, n see if it levels off. N if it does then that's my recipe for the next month, right? Bah, this hydro shit is fun n it's getting easier, but it's also a little confusing at the moment too, lol. Any help here would be gratefully appreciated guys


N Happy 420 since I didn't catch nobody on here earlier!! I was out doin a couple things n visiting with a couple people, burnin the last of my WW that I had saved up for today. It actually cured out to stank like some Fuckin DANK! I finally got it right!!! Jesus man, I thought that shit would never happen, LOL-I thought I'd always be the dude that had bomb ass weed that smelled like shit, lol

 

[GypsyBush]

You can't keep adding nutes to make your solution a certain PPM...

You will throw everything out of wack and end up with major issues...

You should only add water to your res in between changes...

What size res, with how many gallons actually in it?

what size table?

and why did you put hydroton OUTSIDE OF YOUR POTS?

Don't give me a book to read...

Just a few simple answers...

 

[Prot3us1]

Hey King,
Got my delivery confirmation today, my seeds are on the way!

Thanks for stopping by my thread, all is going well for now for me...
+rep, Ive been meaning to +rep you and sub to this thread since i started reading it...by the time id read the whole thing...that took ages lol...id forgotten so here you go.

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

Pro - good to hear your beans are on the way man. I've never heard of the joint u ordered from so make sure u lemme know when they come n if they're in breeders pakcs or what.


Gyps- good to see your back dude. The table ended up being 3x6 overall cuz I couldn't get the 4x8 table I originally was supposed to get.

Hydroton is in both the tops of my pots, n in the trays. The reason it's in the tray is because I couldn't afford the Slabs at the time, n I didn't have anything to cover the trays with so light doesn't hit the roots when they grow out, like a bud blanket or something like that, so I went with what I had. Is there something else I should do?


My rez is 50 gallon i'm pretty sure. Now, if my ppm is too low, and the plants keep suckin up more nutrients than water, then how is adding nothing but more water gonna stabalize the situation? I changed the red a few days ago to swtch my nutes, n the recipe called for 1100 ppm, n 5.8 pH. It seems to be working now though, cuz the pH is stable n so is the ppm. Did I do somethin wrong?


If your ppm keeps dropping in your grow, what do U do to fix it? I don't know what else I should be doing- I Lways hlthought it was if the ppm rises, top it off with more water. If it keeps droppping, then add more nutrients. WhAt did I miss??

 

[Prot3us1]

Pro - good to hear your beans are on the way man. I've never heard of the joint u ordered from so make sure u lemme know when they come n if they're in breeders pakcs or what.

King, seedmadness is the place, and they allow you to pick either:
In the breeders packs.
Seperate from the breeders pack

If you pick seperate from the breeders pack, they allow you the option of them sending the breeders packs seperate and empty...that way you get your seeds stealthily, and still get the breeders pack.

I got mine with the breeders pack...all together.

should be here next week i hope.

prot

 

[ThaMedi]

this is tight

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

Pro - sounds awesome man. Breeders packs is the way to go IMHO, but only because i feel that the original breeder packed shit up hermedically sealed, so theyll stay fresher longer. If they come seperate from the packs, that seal has been broken, and they just put them in a stamp bag, which is fine, but i think that if super fresh seeds go right into packaging and dont see fresh air until your ready to use them, its fresher. So good on ya, lol.

Medi - Thats awesome man, thanks for the input. Glad ya like it here at RIU. Feel free to do your thing, n i hope you start a journal of your own one day for us to check out!


---So, per Gypsy's adamant statement, i took the hydroton out of my trays, just because the way he said it made it seem like theres somethin wrong with using the rocks in that way. I mean, i know theres nothin wrong with it, but if theres a better way for me to grow ebb n flow, then ill find a way to do it damnit, lol. Im not changing anything else, cuz its too late to change out the pots n rockwool floc n everything, but the roots havent poked out the bottom yet, so i can live with changing it up. I need to find like 1" thick rockwool slabs now though, cuz if i get anything thicker the trays arent deep enough to flood any higher than i already have them doin (4"). It sucks, but i think its workin out pretty well. With the Floc in there everything is getting nice n saturated, n besides that, once the roots are to a certain point, ill really only need to flood like 2" of the table anyways. So no biggey. I can snag the slabs with my next check, it was just cheaper to go with the hydroton.

AAAAAAAAAAAANYWAYS, lol, ima upload some pics here in just a second. Youll be surprised at the difference between last update n this one.

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

OK, so i gotta put my kid down, so ima just do a QUICKEE update for you guys. lemme just say that theyve started the stretch, and theyre lookin awesome. I couldnt be happier with how good theyre doin, considering the situation i ended up being in. two plants are recovering in the hydro system, and i have 7 total plants flowering right now. not exactly where i wanted to end up, but nevertheless, still not a bad turnout. No hermies so far, and all showing sex.

Start with a group shot from the side:

Now, a shot of Sour P from the side, n Canopy:

The CHURCH:

Strawberry Blue:

Red Diesel:

Northern Lights:

Durban Poison:

Sputnik #1

N now a Group shot with the light off so you can see the canopy pretty well :

NOW, for the hydro. Theres a difference in growth, but not as much as i;d like. But now that i have everything dialed in, and threw up the panda film temporarily, just until i have the rooom built, things should take off a little better now.

Just some Random Shots ill hook up:

BB:

the BLACK:

--N there it is. Sorry i didnt do something more detailed, but hopefully the pics in comparison with last weeks pics will tell the story for itself. Im happy with the way shit is goin. Hydro could be doin better, but im open to suggestions on how to get it that way. Thanks for tuning in guys

-K1

 

[Prot3us1]

King,
I agree with you mate. Plus i intend on decorating the outside of my box with the packs, lol. One day ill have an entire box covered with every strain possible. (not likely, im already outgrowing my box...)
Ive come to a mathematical conclusion.
The box will increase its size in direct proportion to the decrease in size of my wallet. Sorta like some girls bad attitudes eh? sorry I'm "medicated"

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

LOL i know what you mean man. i had a nice fuckin stack of cash set aside in my savings before i started growing. Now that shit is dwindling down fast. Ive probably put a good 3+ thousand dollars into my grow equipment n nutrients n everything else under the sun, since last august. The good thing is that if you buy good equipment they wont need replacing for a couple years if your lucky, with the exception of prefilters, actual filters, bulbs, n nutrients. LMAO i guess that pretty much just leaves the lights that im takin bout, n the fans, hehe. But yeah man, if your gonna buy all those seeds, make sure you try to use them as much as you can, as far as making mothers go, and just outright growing out a crop from seed every now n then. It sucks to open up a pack of some bomb ass genetics that youve had for 6 or 7 months, n have only one out of 4 that you tried germing to crack open. Fuckin SUCKS!!, lol.


But at least i got all them cool breeders packs, HEHE.

 

[420weedman]

k1ng , every thing looks great man.... soil bitches look perfect
your trays look great as well ... cant wait to see em fill in and you can let us know how much faster growing pot is in hydro
have you set up your odor control yet ?
im disappointed with mine.... im not sure if its just because i have to leave the door some what open while im working in there ... or if its just coming through the ceiling with out going through the carbon.
almost ready to pull the trigger on a ozone generator to put outside my room in the basement
and im geting to that point where i want to re-do the room pro like... im pretty sure having them pretty much together is making it very hard for me to maintian 50% humidity in the flower room ... with the veg room at 80%.....aigh

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

i havent set it up downstairs yet because right now i havent picked up my second 3 foot filter, but upstairs i cant smell a damn thing unless im right on top of the plants. i mean, they JUST started flowering, but even in veg they smell, so yeah i guess it works pretty good. All im doing is i have the blower hooked up directly to the filter, sucking the air in the room through the filter, and then out of the room via a heating duct. So im not recycling the air that goes through the filter, it goes right out the room. I have air intake through a seperate heating duct thats not connected to the exhaust at all, its just fresh air from another room in the house. So it works out pretty well. I'd definitely say get your ass a nice big freakin filter if you can man. They WORK. mine is just under 3ft tall, about 14 inches in diameter (its rated for a minimum of 400cfm, which can scrub a 10x10 room completely according to the hydroshop owner)- its a ActiveAir carbon filter by hydrofarm. boss as hell. N pretty reasonably priced too dude. not as expensive as most filters can be, only ran me about 110 bucks.

N another thing that the shop owners taught me about carbon filters is, when you buy them, once you get them home you basically have to submerse the whole damn thing in water for a good half hour. Not only does it get rid of the charcoal dust thats loose n goes everywhere, but it also helps the activated carbon be more odor absorbent. I didnt know this last time around, n if the filter i used last grow was any bigger, it woulda been really bad for my lungs. apparently prolonged exposure to carbon filters that havent been properly washed down, can lead to the black lung, lol - i know, but i guess they mean SERIOUS prolonged exposure, so its not like an immediate threat or anything, but was enough for my ass to put that shit in a tub to SOAK, lol.


-As for the humidity in your room, n it being difficult to maintain, i would consider getting a cheap humidifier for your room. Itll do wonders for raising the levels in your room. It might not get things EXACTLY where you want them to be because its a cheap humidifier, but itll get you CLOSE, n close is good enough man.

-N i know what you mean dude. Setting up the room like its supposed to be set up, It just kinda feels like were not doing the plants justice by setting up make-shift rooms for them to grow in, lol. Ive been wanting to build a real room for them ever since i moved in, but my landlord is a lazy fuck. Thank god he finally hopped to it n got shit done over here. So now its just a matter of getting all my materials together. Ill have that shit built probably by around the halfway point with the downstairs plants

 

[Thundercat]

Whats up man, I thought I sat here last night and posted a nice little paragraphs bout shit, but I guess it didn't post or something. lol. Any way your girls are deffinitly looking better then before man. Getting alot bigger which is sweet.

So I was curious, I thought of this when I was responding to you on my thread, but I figured I post it here. What is yor plan for flushing your girls on the tables once everything is running the way you want. Gypsy, and I think dewey kox both said they don't flush, are you going to? I've heard some very differing opinions on this, and I'm just tryin to get as much info as I can to figure out my plans.

 

[Thundercat]

I still gotta build a carbon filter, I'm gonna by one next time, like you've got a good size one. But I just can't swing the extra cash right now, so I hope my DIY one will work alright.

 

[GypsyBush]

King, I replied to your PM....

TC.. my filter, which is barely enough for my room anymore... holds about 40lbs of activated carbon...

I can't imagine you can buy even 20lbs of the stuff that much cheaper than a pre-made filter....

Oh and King... I have never heard of soaking your filter... but the way I have mine mounted, any loose particles would run out through the fan and on to the outside world... like this...


ROOM > FILTER>>>FAN>>>OUTSIDE>>>

So no particles can go "against the wind".... ya?!?

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

Whats up man, I thought I sat here last night and posted a nice little paragraphs bout shit, but I guess it didn't post or something. lol. Any way your girls are deffinitly looking better then before man. Getting alot bigger which is sweet.

So I was curious, I thought of this when I was responding to you on my thread, but I figured I post it here. What is yor plan for flushing your girls on the tables once everything is running the way you want. Gypsy, and I think dewey kox both said they don't flush, are you going to? I've heard some very differing opinions on this, and I'm just tryin to get as much info as I can to figure out my plans.

Well, heres the thing. Im using BC nutes right now, just to give them a shot, to see how i like using different types of nutrients. If i were still using FF or an Organic nute, i would probably say no, im not gonna flush. But since thee BC shit is completely chemical based, lol, i think for the last week im gonna throw down a rez with nothing but spring water pH balanced in it, n let it run through a couple times a day, just to wash out the roots. Thats really the only plan i had -- i mean, i have a big jug of Clearex from my last grow, but i dont know if thats gonna be really nessecary, but i guess when i get closer to the week of, ill make up my mind for sure..

I still gotta build a carbon filter, I'm gonna by one next time, like you've got a good size one. But I just can't swing the extra cash right now, so I hope my DIY one will work alright.

Do you know how big your gonna make the filter?? n what are the dimensions of your room? i mean, i would say yeah, but i dont wanna mislead you. The filter i bought for the last grow was a little smaller than the Goblin by growbright. It was a piece of shit for the grow to be honest man. I mean, it probably got rid of about 60% of the odors, but i had to straight bomb my apartment with incense all day every day, lol. If i ever had to turn the filter n fan off for more than 10 mins, n then turn it back on, once it came back on man, it was like there was NOTHING filtering out that smell man. My apt smelled like the Cannabis Cup dude, no lie, lol. But, I got the damn thing for like 40 bucks, the prefilter on it sucked, and i think the manufacturers only filled it up like halfway with carbon, so theres a chance it would have ended up better if i had gotten another one of the same size. It weighed about 20 lbs.

The one i have now weighs somethin like 65-70 lbs man. Its nice n hefty. I guess i would say that if you DIY'd a big enough filter, since you live in your own house, that it would work well enough to where it wont bother the neighbors. Just dont make one as small as Zen does in his DIY tutorial - take that one, and scale it up to about 5 times as big or bigger, and you should have some monicum of decent odor control. Also like i said before, i ordered a SHITLOAD of herbal mask n 420 incense from Liquid Blue. that shit WORKS dude. it works really well. I had a couple jars of Ona too, n they worked for the two weeks that the inside of the jar stayed fresh n didnt dry up on me, lol. Even though its gonna smell to high heaven, you should be alright, just make sure that as the smell gets more intense, you take preventative measures. Its only for 6 or 7 more weeks, lol, so no matter how much wierd shit you gotta do man, its only temporary

King, I replied to your PM....

TC.. my filter, which is barely enough for my room anymore... holds about 40lbs of activated carbon...

I can't imagine you can buy even 20lbs of the stuff that much cheaper than a pre-made filter....

Oh and King... I have never heard of soaking your filter... but the way I have mine mounted, any loose particles would run out through the fan and on to the outside world... like this...


ROOM > FILTER>>>FAN>>>OUTSIDE>>>

So no particles can go "against the wind".... ya?!?

Ok, so lemme make sure im gettin u here - you suck the air out of your room, through the filter, and through the fan, which is blowing straight to outside the room, right?? Thats the same thing im doin too, only mine is cooling my lights aswell. But Yeah, if somebody were to just scrub n reuse the air thats in the growroom through the filter, those particles would definitely be a problem. Like with the filter you bought, you remember how when you got it out of the box, and out of its wrapping, how black powder went absolutely everywhere? lol, well imagina putting your filter right into a bathtub to soak or wash off. Within 30 seconds the entire tub was jetblack - No big coal particles came out or anything like that, it was nothing but fine powder. Could have ended up being a big problem, at least in my case anyway.

 

[K1Ng5p4d3]

So my yumboldt is pretty much dead. The clones are doin pretty well, I'm spraying them lightly once a day with spring water mixed with a few drops of sea kelp extract, n they're all showing lil root nubbins, so it looks like I'll finally be able to make the damn thing work. N I also think I'll be able to clone with smaller cuttings too, just need a little more practice is all. I think part of my problem was that I allowed all of the yellowing parts of the leaves to stay on the cuttings, spreading disease to the rest of the plant-- along with the fact that I didn't keep the bottoms of the cutting or the rockwool they were in warmed with a heating pad. So hopefully I'll get it right when I give it another shot next month.

I started a couple more seeds today, with the intent to use them solely for mom purposes. I have a HP-13, a Sour P, a blueberry, a Sputnik, an Eidelweiss, n another Yumboldt germing. N I also started a Diesel fem n a Gigabud fem from G-13 labs just for shits n giggles to see how they fare.

The one that grows the fastest will be going into my two waterfarm buckets, n the rest in 5gal bags, n I'll be using my 600w to veg them out, but probably not for another three weeks or so. I'll be using CFLs for now, but I think next month I'm gonna pick up a set of T5s that will keep them going until I switch to the HID, n then the Ts will be used for clones. Once everything takes form I'll be happier, but man it's just straight up fun as hell havin my own house to play in. It's like I'm goin down to the lab or somethin, lol. Being able to try 150 different things to see what works is fun as shit, but it's more beneficial than anything else for me- if I was still stuck in my apt n I tried to do what I'm attempting, ida crashed n burned a long ass time ago n woulda had to stick to 5 plants at a time. I don't ever plan on having to wait 3+ months for a harvest ever again man.

Sorry I'm all over the place right now, I'm beyond tired, n tryin to get into sleep mode. Feel free to ignore the shot outta this one, lol

 

[DaGambler]

im sure you'll get the hang of cloning...

the first go i had w/ the current method i use was a complete failure. I used perlite instead of M.G. Seed Starting Mix and didn't have any humidity domes over the clones. Just by changing the medium and adding humidity domes i went from zero percent success to around 99 percent success.
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