Gun Slayings

[dutchthreat]

so your say that the apple would be nazi germany, and the green apple the united states? Don't think so bud

In England, Wales and Scotland, the private ownership of most handguns was banned in 1997 following a gun massacre at a school in Dunblane and an earlier gun massacre in Hungerford in which the combined deaths was 35 and injured 30. Gun ownership and gun crime was already at a low level, which made these slaughters particularly concerning. Only an estimated 57,000 people —0.1% of the population owned such weapons prior to the ban.[120] Only 8 per cent of all criminal homicides are committed with a firearm of any kind.[121] In 2005/6 the number of such deaths in England and Wales (population 53.3 million) was just 50, a reduction of 36 per cent on the year before and lower than at any time since 1996

 

[Drgreenz]

dude in John Lott's MORE GUNS LESS CRIME, he did a 25 year study on britain and australia crime statistics and showed that violent crime in both countries has risen over 300% since they banned guns. not just murders, but rape armed robbery, ect.

 

[bicycle racer]

if you take firearms from good people only criminals then have them as has been seen in england and australia making criminal activity much easier.

 

[Jointsmith]

Dutch, I'm in the UK and 6 months ago I would have agree'd with you.

As much as it pains me to say it I am with Greens and CrackerJackass on this one.

People should be FREE to keep guns, if people prove themselves too irresposible for a gun they should be delt with by the people around them appropriately.

The only people left in the country with any firepower to speak of is he Government and the Gangsters, I don't trust either of them to be looking out for my best interests.

 

[Drgreenz]

exactly joint, if you take away guns only the criminals will have them. the possibility of retaliation is by far the biggest deterrent to crime. why rob someone who could shoot you?

 

[Jointsmith]

Yet your country has one of the highest crime rates and largest prison populus per capita of any nation.....

weird eh?

Oh yeah, and guns aren't completely illegal in this country, they are just more tightly regulated, Farmers/hunters etc can own guns I believe, and there are gun clubs, you need some sort of licence, I've never really looked into it.

 

[Drgreenz]

the really bad thing is if you take away just the black on black crime and latino on latino crime the us would be near the bottem. Also just take away the nonviolent drug possesion crime and the same thing happens. we jail everyone not just criminals.

also, outside of NY, cali, DC, and mass(all have nearly banned private gun ownership). our average violent crime rates are very low.

 

[Olstinker]

Well, the timing is rather convenient isnt it?

 

[Drgreenz]

Yet your country has one of the highest crime rates and largest prison populus per capita of any nation.....

weird eh?

Oh yeah, and guns aren't completely illegal in this country, they are just more tightly regulated, Farmers/hunters etc can own guns I believe, and there are gun clubs, you need some sort of licence, I've never really looked into it.

the gun clubs have to keep the guns though, they are not allowed in civilian hands for real. and for farmers/hunters, its a .22 or a 20guage shotgun and thats about it.

 

[Jointsmith]

You don't get to take away any crimes, those aren't independent of the rest of society.

The crimes you talk about a bred by poverty, which in turn is a result of the economic situation in your country and the world.

The poor in your country have it worse than in most countries with your state school and healthcare systems.

Maybe we should be ways of trying to stop crime from happening in the first place, rather than protecting ourselves from the crimes as they happen.....

And the Government are the worst criminals of all, yet their keeping loads of guns.

 

[Jointsmith]

the gun clubs have to keep the guns though, they are not allowed in civilian hands for real. and for farmers/hunters, its a .22 or a 20guage shotgun and thats about it.

Actually you're probably right there. Can a 20gauge shotgun shoot a 12guage shot?

 

[fdd2blk]

I'm done talking about this with right wing nazi fucks. Educated people do not need guns. Get your kid an education. I will not reply

you cannot compair nazi germany to present day or any of those extreme governments.

who said anything about nazi's?

 

[Drgreenz]

nope, they are 2 different sizes. a 12 is much bigger/more potent. a 20guage is a great size for almost anything though. When i hunt deer in a shotgun only are i only use a 20g slug cuase they have more than enough power and are more accurate at distance(100-150m tops for a slug). for home defence a 20 would be very good because it still sprays, still packs a hell of a punch, and doesn't kick bad so ladies can feel comfortable.

as for actual shots in a 20 guage, the sizes go from 9(smalles pellet but more pellets per shot) down to 1 shot(bigger more powerful pellets but less of them). then come the more specialty sizes, b-bbb(big pellets primarily for waterfowl, geese) buckshot(0-00) 20 guage 00 buckshot= 6 9mm balls coming out at once(home defence) and slugs which are one big solid chunk of lead like a bullet.
you can get 8-9 shot which would be very small pellets and alot of them(target rounds) 5-8 shot would be great for small game(squirrels fox, game hens, ect) 1-4 shot is great for ducks b-bbb is good for geese and buckshot is the best for defence.

in my home defence shotty i have a mossberg 500 12 guage pump loaded so my first shot will be a flash bang round(just shoots a big flash and loud noise) the second shot is rubber pellet shot and the third-fifth is all 00 buckshot

 

[CrackerJax]

I'll REPOST this for you Dutch...the Aussies are full of regret...

It has now been 12 months (old numbers) since gun owners in Australia were
forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults are up 86 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent.
(Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not)
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns.


out.

 

[mindphuk]

10000 murders anually using firearms, 233 251 homicides between 88 and 97 of which 67% were connected to gun violence. Most of these stats arn't even complete due to gun violence not being reported.

31,000 gun related deaths in 2005....so you see guns kill, and that was only doing a 5 minute seach.

So what do you propose we should do about this violence? There are already almost 20,000 gun laws on the books already, do you think that maybe we can enforce those and get rid of stupid, useless ones like gun-free zones?

Do you realize that the the Pittsburgh shooter Richard Poplawski was dishonorably discharged from the military? This means that it was illegal for him to own firearm based on federal law and he would not be able to pass the NICS background check and every 4473 form mentions dishonorable discharge from the military as precluding firearms ownership. Once again, failed gun control laws didn't stop him. Yet the gun control lobby calls for more tried-and-failed laws like this. So if all of those laws already on the books would not stop a crazy person from illegally obtaining guns, please tell me what new law would have worked?

There are more than 250 million guns in public circulation in the U.S. They cannot be wished away. Even if the U.S. government banned gun ownership and stopped all gun manufacturing and importation, it would still need to confiscate all those weapons. Doing so would require wholesale violations of Fourth Amendment rights. The probability of getting rid of guns in America, therefore, is practically zero.

 

[Drgreenz]

yup i have put my name on thousands of 4473's(if you haven't guessed it by now I sell guns) and question four is "have you ever been discharged from the armed services under dishonorable conditions?" so how did gun laws help us there? they didnt, gun laws create crime, they do not deter it.

 

[natrone23]

I read that the guy went USMC bootcamp but was a bitch. I had some turds like this guy drop when I was in bootcamp. Most of the time these guys are not dishonorable discharged they are discharged under something called a adminastrative seperation. So maybe that could be a reason, he might not have been offically dishonorably discharged. I could be wrong though.

 

[mindphuk]

I read that the guy went USMC bootcamp but was a bitch. I had some turds like this guy drop when I was in bootcamp. Most of the time these guys are not dishonorable discharged they are discharged under something called a adminastrative seperation. So maybe that could be a reason, he might not have been offically dishonorably discharged. I could be wrong though.

I linked to the article two posts above you.

"Poplawski's mother said her son enlisted with the U.S. Marine Corps a few years ago but was discharged for assaulting a drill sergeant in basic training."

"He wasn't fully a Marine. He got a dishonorable discharge out of boot camp," Perkovic said. "He wanted to get out of the Marine Corps."

 

[natrone23]

"He wanted to get out of the Marine Corps."

What a pussy couldn't even make it out of bootcamp.

 

[medicineman]

I'm done talking about this with right wing nazi fucks. Educated people do not need guns. Get your kid an education. I will not reply

Tell me, what does an educated person do if an intruder with a gun stomps in your front door, say, "hold it there buddy, I'm educated"? Take the guns away from the legal owners and the crooks will own The suburbs. With a response time of 5-15 minutes, the perps will be long gone with your cash and your daughters before the cops show up. Get real Man.