SOG growers wanted !!!

[grandpabear3]

Is that your molasses flush tank?????

yes....and there is pee in there too

Shit looks scary man..... like the Swamp Thing is about to crawl out and shit...

well at least something grows out of it.

Is that how your solution looks normally?????

no, that was when i was using organic nutes, i have switched since then. but the micro i use makes it dark like that as well but only for a day or so. then it lightens up as my babies suck it up

 

[onthedl0008]

Bugs please explain these micro nutrients to me.. What r u using? what brand?
Do U think i could scrap my main flower nutes and just use micro nutes?

 

[GreenGold]

Looks like this thread turned out like ALB's anyway... pages upon pages of nothinf related to SOG ebb and flow lol
I am currently running a 4x4 table under 3 400 watt fixtures any advise before I acutally get started??

 

[grandpabear3]

Bugs please explain these micro nutrients to me.. What r u using? what brand?
Do U think i could scrap my main flower nutes and just use micro nutes?

first response is no......but
i use the 3 part gh bloom gro and micro. i wont comment on what else will work because i do not have personal experience with any other nutes other than organic ones from botanicare and gy flora nova. but i like my gh, too easy. micro goes in first then gro or bloom (well both actually)

 

[GypsyBush]

any advise before I acutally get started??

Uh Yeah...

Get rid of the netpots....

 

[onthedl0008]

first response is no......but
i use the 3 part gh bloom gro and micro. i wont comment on what else will work because i do not have personal experience with any other nutes other than organic ones from botanicare and gy flora nova. but i like my gh, too easy. micro goes in first then gro or bloom (well both actually)

Awesome man thanks i guess ive been thinking half way on track.. Im using the botanicaire pro organics.. im wondering if they have anything in the micro that can be used along side my main backbone nutes then.. Must go research now thanks.I did actually go with a split of grow flower and kool bloom along with the fulvic acid and they seemed to pull back at the end..
Must get micro nutes tho..i believe this is what im lacking thanks.

 

[GypsyBush]

Here is one of my roaming updates...

Go grab a bowl... it will take a while to download...

Well... here goes another Photo Update....

We'll start out with the TOOLS of the TRADE.... this is how I managed to not make eleventeen trips up and down the stairs, with my leg in a cast...

And here we have the PATHETIC clones that will probably yield an 8th each...

An overview of the trays being used right now...

And the clones that have been in for 3 weeks now...

Just in case anyone was wondering... I cut panda film squares with a slit and a hole... they just overlap each other to form the white base...

Here is the new mother station... which gives me more room and better light... 400 w HO T-5 + 100 w Ho T-5... I am running 2 trays in this room... one 2x4 at 600~800 PPM and a small skinny one at 1400PPM... so I can boost the moms chosen for the next round of clones ... while maintaining everyone else at a lower PPM (lower cost)...

More room allows for things like Lettuce...

& Thyme...

Another angle pf the flower room...

And the clones that I fried...

A closer look at the budding clones...

How about some HARVEST pictures next....???

Here is one of the smaller lollipops...

And we keep going down the line...

and last but not least... the miniatures...

Well....That's All Folks...!!!

 

[GreenGold]

Uh Yeah...

Get rid of the netpots....

why ditch the net pots?
I wanted to go with rockwool cubes but I hear hydrotons better and easier?

Still undecided on what Nutes to use, possibly AN sensibloom?
thats stuff expensive too!

 

[GypsyBush]

why ditch the net pots?

If I used net pots in my tray, my plants would be all tangled together...

My roots bush out of the holes at the bottom of the pot like a 60 year old hippie's bikini like....

Al also had a good reason for it, but I really don't feel like digging for it right now...

It's just my 2 cents and I am a dumbass... don't listen to me...

I wanted to go with rockwool cubes but I hear hydrotons better and easier?

It's really a matter of personal voodoo... whatever YOU can make work is the best way...

I like hydroton because i can flood ridiculously often and not hurt the plants... but I do that because I like the sound of water running.... and I think that exchanging air in the roots zone often is beneficial...

I hate RW... it holds too much moisture... I could only flood once a day... and that my friend, is just way too quiet for my world... let the flooding begin...!!!!

Still undecided on what Nutes to use, possibly AN sensibloom?
thats stuff expensive too!

I use a 3 part deal...

NSR Greenleaves... Bloom, Grow and Boost juice...

Never used anything else, probably never will by choice... this stuff works great, even with this dumbass at the drivers seat...

as for price... I m not sure, as I have never bough a diff one...

 

[grandpabear3]

why ditch the net pots?
I wanted to go with rockwool cubes but I hear hydrotons better and easier?

Still undecided on what Nutes to use, possibly AN sensibloom?
thats stuff expensive too!

al's other reaSON FOR NOT USING NET POTS IS THAT (stupid caps lock) when the roots go ape shit crazy and fill the pot they will grow straight through the netpot and get air pruned in between floodings and WILL stunt the growth of your baby.

rw is ok but to get the growth rates closer to aero/nft/dwc you must have a medium that will allow the plant to benefit from multiple feedings. people tend to laugh at e&f when compared to the other forms of hydro....all i can say is they are ignorant. my tables put out monster buds just like my dwc used to.

gypsy said it best....find what works for you but in the end....it never hurts to copy off of someone else's test....lol...i copied al and then made it my own to fit my situation.

 

[GreenGold]

I figured the only disadvantage would be light but I plan on using panda plastic to fix that
using hydroton couldnt I flood as often as possible?
seems if plants can grow in a bucket submerged in water with air feed to them you could flood once an hour if you wanted
How could DWC compare?
I understand how aero would out perform ebb and flow
but NFT?
seems like I could put a drain on the opposite side of the table, leave the pump on all the time and call it NFT?

 

[GypsyBush]

I figured the only disadvantage would be light but I plan on using panda plastic to fix that

Uh... forgive me, but... why not buy the right pots?

using hydroton couldnt I flood as often as possible?

I flood 15 min out of every hour... 12x a day... cloning media is well above flood level

seems if plants can grow in a bucket submerged in water with air feed to them you could flood once an hour if you wanted

Sure you could.. as long as your media does not absorb excessive amounts of water...

How could DWC compare?

I came from DWC to EBB FLOW and I am more than pleased with the results...

Hydroton and multiple floods are giving me very similar results...

I understand how aero would out perform ebb and flow
but NFT?

You can fine tune your system... sloppy/lazy gardeners give ebb flow a bad name...

It can be as efficient as any other feeding system....

seems like I could put a drain on the opposite side of the table, leave the pump on all the time and call it NFT?

They do have a drain... and if you want to grow lots of algae, that is a GREAT idea...

Do one thing at a time... o you want NFT or EBB FLOW?

learn how to bake the cake before you modify the recipe...

I am sorry if you know all this and everything else.. but I'll stick to my opinion that a great number of peopl eFAIL because they try to mix Al's with Stink Bud's with their Grandma's...

And it flops....

Choose a method... and stick to it...

Once you can duplicate the results achieved by other people... then you are qualified to try and modify things...

Before then you are either ..LUCKY or FuCKING EVERYTHING UP...

But what the hell do I know...

Cheers...

 

[grandpabear3]

here, here!!!!!!! well put. i was just gonna say that, are you in my head. damn gypsy's are dangerous.

well put you.

 

[doogleef]

I use netpots and it forces me to fill in around the pots with medium so roots don't get airpruned. Almost makes the pots just stands for the plants.

On the plus side, I have basically unlimited root space and in my setup the netpots were the perfect size to cram them in my table. On unintended bonus of this setup is that i have no standing nutes in the bottom of my table. The tub I used to DIY my table has a groove all the away around that held water after drain. Does not matter anymore as it is full uf hydroton.

 

[GypsyBush]

here, here!!!!!!! well put. i was just gonna say that, are you in my head. damn gypsy's are dangerous.

well put you.

Thanks Mr.

So.. not even ONE comment about my update... amazing... not even to complain the pages were slow to load because of too many pics...lol...

I see how you are....lol...

 

[GypsyBush]

I use netpots and it forces me to fill in around the pots with medium so roots don't get airpruned. Almost makes the pots just stands for the plants.

On the plus side, I have basically unlimited root space and in my setup the netpots were the perfect size to cram them in my table. On unintended bonus of this setup is that i have no standing nutes in the bottom of my table. The tub I used to DIY my table has a groove all the away around that held water after drain. Does not matter anymore as it is full uf hydroton.

I hear you .. and I am glad that it works for you...

To me that sounds like a nightmare...

I like to move my plants around... turn them.. take them to the other room for pictures...

AND I have 4 strains going at the same time... which makes for a very uneven harvest....

I can pick up whatever pots are done along with ALL it's roots and NONE of the other plants roots...

But as stated above... I don't know shit... I have a condition called oral diarrhea ... and I just can't stop bullshitting people...

Don't listen to me.. GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW...!!!

You will be happier... maybe.. but if not,, at least it's your own fault...

that's what I say... Go with what you know...

 

[onthedl0008]

Wow gypsy u dont mess around tough love all the way around but its neccesary!
I totally agree with Gypsy and Bugsrnme that sog is possible and by all means attainable in any style of hydro u grow in.
Once u have the kinks worked out and everything running properly by all means try it.
Dont do what i did and let these guys down.
I was all caught up and mesmerized by al b fucts ideas that i decided to do sog in my DWC. Would have been perfectly just as great and probably produced the same results if i researched more and realized that yea u can have a perfect grow system..
But grow conditions are just as important.. Proper cooling, venting and filtration is a must to grow with HPS.Dont do what i did and burn ur colas out by being shear lazy and not pay attention to these facts..
HPS does get hot and u will need preventative measures in place and working before u attempt this style with the demands this type of grow requires.
If u cant match these demands dont bother because ur style will not matter.
Take all these things into consideration when planning sir.
Glad i got that out of the way..
Now im down to just a measley perp. plant grow to get some beans then its off to the next grow to get a mom to clone and carry on with my efforts at sog..
This is all i got now im bored but learned some valuable stuff here..
Thanks guys.

 

[grandpabear3]

i'm supposed to be taking cuttings right now but i am lazy as hell. gonna fuck up my schedule.....oh and i forgot to tell everyone that i will be quitiing smoking for about 2 months. well.....gonna try anyway, i smoke a lot. i mean .......a lot
but quitting for $$$ reasons.

 

[GypsyBush]

i'm supposed to be taking cuttings right now but i am lazy as hell. gonna fuck up my schedule.....oh and i forgot to tell everyone that i will be quitiing smoking for about 2 months. well.....gonna try anyway, i smoke a lot. i mean .......a lot
but quitting for $$$ reasons.

Fuck... wish I had clones to take root flower... need more botanical units...

And uh... quitting is for quitters... only users loose drugs...

and remember... uh.. oh yeah...

POT WILL GET YOU THROUGH TIMES OF NO MONEY BETTER THAN MONEY WILL GET YOU THROUGH TIMES OF NO POT - The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers

 

[GypsyBush]

Why are you talikng to me in 2 threads?