Guns and Growing.

[LostInSpace...]

So are cars... why is it that people cant be held accountable for they're own actions?

 

[NewGrowth]

So are cars...

No a car was never manufactured as a weapon.

 

[Jungleman]

And what?>?

Guns are tools but they are also deadly weapons.

 

[LostInSpace...]

No a car was never manufactured as a weapon.

Neither is a hammer but when used by a person it can do all sorts of things

 

[Gamberro]

guns are tools

Explain to me how a gun can be used as a tool besides artisan hunting (which I hope I don't seriously have to argue against) or being used to coerce someone.

 

[NewGrowth]

Neither is a hammer but when used by a person it can do all sorts of things

I don't understand your point.

 

[LostInSpace...]

Explain to me how a gun can be used as a tool besides artisan hunting (which I hope I don't seriously have to argue against) or being used to coerce someone.

How about to feed someone? How about to put an animal out of its misery if it had been struck by a vehicle?

 

[NewGrowth]

Explain to me how a gun can be used as a tool besides artisan hunting (which I hope I don't seriously have to argue against) or being used to coerce someone.

It's a tool made to kill things

 

[LostInSpace...]

From wiki..

A weapon is a tool used to apply or threaten to apply force for the purpose of hunting, attack or defense in combat, subduing enemy personnel, or to destroy enemy weapons, equipment and defensive structures. A weapon is therefore a device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force.[1] In general, they can be defined as the simplest mechanisms that use mechanical advantage (also called leverage) to multiply force.[2]

 

[NewGrowth]

From wiki..

A weapon is a tool used to apply or threaten to apply force for the purpose of hunting, attack or defense in combat, subduing enemy personnel, or to destroy enemy weapons, equipment and defensive structures. A weapon is therefore a device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force.[1] In general, they can be defined as the simplest mechanisms that use mechanical advantage (also called leverage) to multiply force.[2]

I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove. It is a tool for destruction bottom line. Cars and hammers are not tools of destruction.

A tool for destruction is commonly referred to as a weapon

 

[BCtrippin]

Guns are tools but they are also deadly weapons.

Guns are tools and they are weapons. BUT they are not deadly unless they are in the hands of someone who wants to use it to kill.


There is no case in history of a gun loading itself, aiming itself, and killing someone.

 

[LostInSpace...]

I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove. It is a tool for destruction bottom line. Cars and hammers are not tools of destruction.

A tool for destruction is commonly referred to as a weapon

That may be true but a weapon isn't always reffering to a firearm.

Edit: I'm not trying to prove anything, just having a chat, and you?

 

[xXMaslanXx]

I only have one gun, I have an M1911A1

 

[LostInSpace...]

I only have one gun, I have an M1911A1

Very nice. Got a pic?

 

[NewGrowth]

Guns are tools and they are weapons. BUT they are not deadly unless they are in the hands of someone who wants to use it to kill.


There is no case in history of a gun loading itself, aiming itself, and killing someone.

You deny that guns are deadly? Even accidently deadly?

Come on these are silly arguments guys. I gun is a weapon manufactured to kill or maim a living target. Most often that target is human unfortunately. However removing the "tool" or weapon from someone will not effect their desire for violence. The US is the arms dealer to the world because the human race has an insatiable lust for violence.

You don't have to twist the truth.

 

[Gamberro]

C'mon mate, you serious? A gun isn't a tool? A gun may fire a projectile but at what point does it become deadly? At exactly the same point when a car is aimed at a person? Alcohol can lead to an action that may not occur when sober, driving a car for instance. Does this make the person or the car more dangerous? Same with guns.

What about a farmer or a policeman? Would you seriously be in favour of declining them the right to use a weapon?

I think you are looking at it too closely. I think it is more about the big picture. Its good to see you can have an intelligent debate though.

I could definitely deny a farmer a shotgun or semi-automatic, whereas police, although it seems to work in Britain, have guns because they are under such tight watch it would be idiotic to abuse the use of their guns (ex, the BART train station execution).

 

[BCtrippin]

I'm still not sure what you are trying to prove. It is a tool for destruction bottom line. Cars and hammers are not tools of destruction.

A tool for destruction is commonly referred to as a weapon

So what about a bow and arrow? Or a cross bow? Should we be outlawing archery now too?

What about a fish club? Its designed to kill. Should stores stop selling them?


It doesnt matter if its a gun or a knife or a stick, Its the person whos wielding it. A gun is a tool. If your job is a police officer, or if your in the army your firearm the tool of the trade.

 

[LostInSpace...]

I could definitely deny a farmer a shotgun or semi-automatic, whereas police, although it seems to work in Britain, have guns because they are under such tight watch it would be idiotic to abuse the use of their guns (ex, the BART train station execution).

Where I am we are already denied of semi-autos/pump/self-loading, but is it right to say you can have one but not the other?

 

[Gamberro]

Guns are tools and they are weapons. BUT they are not deadly unless they are in the hands of someone who wants to use it to kill.


There is no case in history of a gun loading itself, aiming itself, and killing someone.

Apparently you have not acquainted yourself with many of the 99.99% of idiots and psychopaths that people this planet.

 

[BCtrippin]

Guns are tools and they are weapons. BUT they are not deadly unless they are in the hands of someone who wants to use it to kill.


There is no case in history of a gun loading itself, aiming itself, and killing someone.

You deny that guns are deadly? Even accidently deadly?

Come on these are silly arguments guys. I gun is a weapon manufactured to kill or maim a living target. Most often that target is human unfortunately. However removing the "tool" or weapon from someone will not effect their desire for violence. The US is the arms dealer to the world because the human race has an insatiable lust for violence.

You don't have to twist the truth.

I didnt say guns are not deadly. Anything can be deadly. I was very clear when I said an gun doesnt load itself. Any accidental death was because of negligence by the owner or user of the firearm. Accidents can and do happen when morons leave their weapons loaded and not locked up.

It doesnt change my possition on this. I still strongly believe guns are not the problem, Its still people. Some poeple are idiots and build up bad stereotypes about guns and gun owners.

I think we all know the stereotypes about stoners and growers are BS.