Should I top now or Fim it?

[medidedicated]

Lst could be good, when the plant grows more and thickens up or it might be too frail to bend stems like right now. Sometimes not much canopy management isnt needed its something you will start to figure out soon.

New growers I tend to see they try too hard to train their plant expecting more yield. While it can, there are many ways to get there, aka skin a cat. Id worry more about keeping green happy and opened up to reduce chance of powdery mildew and botritus. Though botritus is more about colas where nugs are just pressed up together.

Its a perfect pocket to germinate a botritus spore. Just need to avoid that which is easier said than done. Lots of things to consider that to a new grower it can just be the wrong thing to focus on at the moment. Might need to save up money for dehumitifier or soil stuff grower stuff.

I wasted thousands before finally keeping my equipment which finally suited me well just figuring out how I want to grow. What I want to yield which also went from 2 pounds or more to up to a pound on a good day due to mold prevention. Im not a newbie but not grown very long either and still figuring out those questions for myself.

So yea just keep tolerance low if to stay away from buying and save up money and double think all purchases. This industry is ready to take your money lol. Ok Im ramblin.

 

[GemGrows24]

What fun is our beloved hobby if not for the learning curves we get. Personally, I'd still have that seedling in a solo cup, definitely not a pot yet. That said, stop watering!!! Allow the substrate to dry back and make those roots expand in search of water. When she's thirsty, you can visually tell.

At 20 some days into it now, I'd say you've made a few errors and I'm betting my left nut it was excessive watering and that 50/50 mix. FFoF is hot and even cut in half is still too much for a sprout. Next time, use a 16oz solo cup and use the happy frog only. The current size that you now have.... that's a good size to up-pot from solo to a 3gal.

Me, Personally, I'd wait a bit to top or fim, you'd be much better off utilizing lst and once you've gained root mass, then you'll be in a better position to induce high stress training.

For the time being, focus on dialing in and maintain the ideal environmental parameters and light intensity/distance/spectrum. You soon come to see that everything else falls into place. Overwatering is the worst thing you can do!!! Keep that in mind brotha.

I started it in a solo with only FF HF I used a clear cup probably 8 oz and could see root mass building up so assumed I should transplant . But ig I overestimated root mass and moved it to soon. The soil I transplanted into is the soil with FFOF mixed in .the idea was that by the time the roots reached out to the OF that it'll need it by that time .I guess The timing thing is BIG with growing

 

[GemGrows24]

Lst could be good, when the plant grows more and thickens up or it might be too frail to bend stems like right now. Sometimes not much canopy management isnt needed its something you will start to figure out soon.

New growers I tend to see they try too hard to train their plant expecting more yield. While it can, there are many ways to get there, aka skin a cat. Id worry more about keeping green happy and opened up to reduce chance of powdery mildew and botritus. Though botritus is more about colas where nugs are just pressed up together.

Its a perfect pocket to germinate a botritus spore. Just need to avoid that which is easier said than done. Lots of things to consider that to a new grower it can just be the wrong thing to focus on at the moment. Might need to save up money for dehumitifier or soil stuff grower stuff.

I wasted thousands before finally keeping my equipment which finally suited me well just figuring out how I want to grow. What I want to yield which also went from 2 pounds or more to up to a pound on a good day due to mold prevention. Im not a newbie but not grown very long either and still figuring out those questions for myself.

So yea just keep tolerance low if to stay away from buying and save up money and double think all purchases. This industry is ready to take your money lol. Ok Im ramblin.

I think the biggest challenge is just picking a path and sticking to it . You have to just trust in the process and I don't do well with that lol. I want to try every technique and process and nutrient but I know I need to first understand the basics . From what I understand LST should be used to focus on airflow and light penetration .but doubles as a stress technique for the plant .and as a beginner it could be easier to buy a dehumidifier to eliminate to need to LST and have an easier understanding of the plant first? And yes after buying 10 different bottles and burning my first plant, I've realized how overboard the consumer side of this hobby can get . Im not using squat on my current plants and it's flourishing faster and healthier. I'm sure all the nutes work alot better with more experience and knowledge.

 

[GreenGenez421]

I started it in a solo with only FF HF I used a clear cup probably 8 oz and could see root mass building up so assumed I should transplant . But ig I overestimated root mass and moved it to soon. The soil I transplanted into is the soil with FFOF mixed in .the idea was that by the time the roots reached out to the OF that it'll need it by that time .I guess The timing thing is BIG with growing

The clear solo is no golo. Lol, Don't encourage light to reach your roots. Anytime your cultivating in hard wall containers, the roots will always hit the walls first, it basically gives a false impression of density. However.... wet/dry cycles will encourage some of the void center to fill in. When you pull her out of the solo you want to see fish bone like roots, and fuzzy pipe cleaner.
Yes, timing is a large part but environmental conditions and watering is bigger. I would have completely avoided FFOF in the solo cup. Seeds have everything they need for the first 2 weeks of life. So focusing on high drainage, high dissolved 02 and wet/dry soil fluctuations is what going to encourage the roots to develop first. Once you got the roots then she be hard to slow down. You can throw alot more at a plant that has a robust zoot structure than an underdeveloped one.

 

[GreenGenez421]

I think the biggest challenge is just picking a path and sticking to it . You have to just trust in the process and I don't do well with that lol. I want to try every technique and process and nutrient but I know I need to first understand the basics . From what I understand LST should be used to focus on airflow and light penetration .but doubles as a stress technique for the plant .and as a beginner it could be easier to buy a dehumidifier to eliminate to need to LST and have an easier understanding of the plant first? And yes after buying 10 different bottles and burning my first plant, I've realized how overboard the consumer side of this hobby can get . Im not using squat on my current plants and it's flourishing faster and healthier. I'm sure all the nutes work alot better with more experience and knowledge.

LST is employed as a low stress technique that brakes the apical dominance and diffuse that hormone. It encourages auxiliary branching and by default, biomass of terminal sites

 

[Farmer's Hat]

I didn't really have the money for a good light at first otherwise I'm sure this plant would be a bit further along . Also humidity was low and so was temp for the first weeks. Since this was my first grow I started out with the bare minimum expecting results lol. But I've now got a whole Vivosun smart tent system . The plant seemed to grow quicker since the upgrade .I'm hoping the rough start doesn't screw anything up. Luckily this is a photoperiod so I should be able to make up for the rough start.

Sounds like your on the right track now. Let us know if you need anymore help along the way.

 

[medidedicated]

I was the same way, I was just messing around with just random stuff not truely knowing why. There is a experimental side to the hobby I indulged in for fun but just saying if youre a chronic user and want to do this for the long run, it can be challenging staying self provided user.

Its a common saying here to avoid all the extra bottles with cartoony exaggerated labels on them. Even experienced growers have no use for them. For me being hydro idk I guess I had a different story but really no two peoples stories are the same I cant recall much in my early days.

I just was a very stereotypicall newbie still kinda am lol. I watched a breeder say the same thing I did, when you think you figured it out the lid blows off and its a bigger rabbit hole than you thought.

Lst a plant wont be much different than a plant with strategic topping and can still lst or super crop. Its like pottery making a pot youll start to notice where you should do this or that. Clones grow differently but much much better in my opinion. Seedlings grow a compact center and lack alternating nodes until flower.

For seedlings id top it at 4th node or 6th if bigger than a 2x2. Its tough to answer because no two plants are the same not even two clones same mother can grow slightly different.

When I said dehumitifier thats related to enviormental needs of the grow room relative humidity and especially if youre pushing the tents with higher relative humidity due to being full of plant matter wall to wall.

Like pottery it can be shaped however you want and its artistic. I dont see people say that but really everyones plant is a unique shape naturally and through human involvement. Experienced people can see exactly what you did.

 

[GreenGenez421]

Best advise I can give to you is Stop buying 20 bottle nutrient scams. I know your eager, I can read it in your responses, but less is more. Keep it simple.

 

[medidedicated]

Heres one thing I remember in early days, I lst’d too hard. They just keep saying just keep bending branches down but you can only do that so much. It can become packed with dead air which mold loves. It might need entire branches pruned off to save the grow it can get ugly. Or its a nice size plant relatively underpacked and beautiful those lst photos you see typically autos.

 

[GreenGenez421]

Heres one thing I remember in early days, I lst’d too hard. They just keep saying just keep bending branches down but you can only do that so much. It can become packed with dead air which mold loves. It might need entire branches pruned off to save the grow it can get ugly. Or its a nice size plant relatively underpacked and beautiful those lst photos you see typically autos.

You ain't lying bro!!! I'm real quick, mabey too quick to cull shit out. But learning to read your particular cultivar is key to continuous gains. Plants have a "love language" you just need to learn how to read it. I don't waste my time with autos. They're great for some people, but photos are really where it's at, at least for me.

 

[GreenGenez421]

I'm not big on the photo dump shit, but here's a multi strain veganic bed. 4'x8'x23" nothing but 0PPM water only

 

[GreenGenez421]

Total time lap is 35 days. This is what's "normal" when all conditions are met. And I have a shit ton of soil what hold a shit ton of water.

 

[Fatjoe]

Nice start. There are option to topping. It's not the only way to get multiple colas. Early training of plants brings out a lot in a plant without removing material.

I find it amusing how folks are tentative about bending a plant over or removing some leaf yet have no problem decapitating it.

Removing that main stem takes 3 bud sites away from the plant but oh yeah ya get two in return. That's just poor math to me..lol

I accept the fact topping is a method but I do not practice it. Nor would I ever tell someone that is the way to go. It's an option everyone should try at least once. Then move on. There are other ways.

Floater screens are effective..


Also, if you seek multiple colas using a flowering clone is a great option. No topping required. I mean, where would you start if ya could? Lol

Flowering clone fully revegged and heading into flower.

Hard to beat the performance of these clones under a floater screen.

 

[medidedicated]

I'm not big on the photo dump shit, but here's a multi strain veganic bed. 4'x8'x23" nothing but 0PPM water only
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That looks awesome, pardon my newbness but is that no till? I dont know crap about soil but know theres lots of crap in it lol. I originally wanted to do soil and just recently started watching garden stuff and I just wish I knew how to do it. Not to hi jack really just complimenting, that looks like another level of soil that takes more skill.

 

[GreenGenez421]

Nice start. There are option to topping. It's not the only way to get multiple colas. Early training of plants brings out a lot in a plant without removing material.

I find it amusing how folks are tentative about bending a plant over or removing some leaf yet have no problem decapitating it.
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Removing that main stem takes 3 bud sites away from the plant but oh yeah ya get two in return. That's just poor math to me..lol
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I accept the fact topping is a method but I do not practice it. Nor would I ever tell someone that is the way to go. It's an option everyone should try at least once. Then move on. There are other ways.

Floater screens are effective..
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Also, if you seek multiple colas using a flowering clone is a great option. No topping required. I mean, where would you start if ya could? Lol
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Flowering clone fully revegged and heading into flower.
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Hard to beat the performance of these clones under a floater screen.
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Looks good
I like to "decapitate" the shit outta em. Leaves room for more growth and less microclimates.
Dwc is a very different animal compared to soil. But good job, she looks nice.

Water quality and automation is a god send...

 

[GreenGenez421]

That looks awesome, pardon my newbness but is that no till? I dont know crap about soil but know theres lots of crap in it lol. I originally wanted to do soil and just recently started watching garden stuff and I just wish I knew how to do it. Not to hi jack really just complimenting, that looks like another level of soil that takes more skill.

Thanks bro that's kind of you. Yes it is a no- till veganic. It's taken me year to learn the nuances of how to read plants. The canna is obviously the focal point but the companion plants also share some inside as to what's going on. Not to jerk my own gerk, but it's a experience thing. Anyone can read a liquid nutrient label, but to take matters into your own hands and "play mother nature " well... that's a whole different level.

 

[GreenGenez421]

I'm guessing you like to make bubble? That's alotta Larfy terminals. Just imagine what your main top terminals could have produced without all those nutrient dump sites.

 

[Fatjoe]

Looks good
I like to "decapitate" the shit outta em. Leaves room for more growth and less microclimates.
Dwc is a very different animal compared to soil. But good job, she looks nice.

Water quality and automation is a god send...

Thank you Sir, I've grown dwc. That's how I learned to grow. Also used them with stationary scrogs. I train plants no matter the medium.

 

[Fatjoe]

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I'm guessing you like to make bubble? That's alotta Larfy terminals. Just imagine what your main top terminals could have produced without all those nutrient dump sites.

Nope no bubble for me..lol. I think my main colas did just fine.

 

[GreenGenez421]

Nope no bubble for me..lol. I think my main colas did just fine.
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No pun intended, but I personally think you could have doubled the stacking at the tops, minus the lower larf. Eitherway..... I must admit, that's shit looks alright. But again.. dwc is a different animal. Dare i say an unfair comparison......I'd definitely encourage you to grow no till, I'll be around.