Old School Skunk, who's found it???

[Mothball]

Bt is an endophytic bacterium, which means it can colonize the internal tissues of plants without causing harm. It can be found in the roots, stems, and leaves of plants, and can be passed on to the next generation through the seeds.

Bacillus thuringiensis strains can be frequently found as an endophytic bacterium in the wild. Which means it gets inside the plants and seeds.

These microbes indirectly affect plant phenotypic plasticity and fitness through modulation of plant development and defense responses. In doing so, "Bt can affect fitness by both increasing or decreasing the degree of phenotypic plasticity, depending on the phenotype and the environmental stress studied".

Phenotypic plasticity refers to some of the changes in a plants behavior, morphology and physiology in response to a unique environment

 

[jimihendrix1]

Its a combination of environment and genotype that creat skunk phenos. Bacillus isn't a fertilizer they are naturally occurring wild soil borne bacteria. The wild types of pre-80s have been stomped on by years of commercial strain applications. Many old wild BT strains can be found in ancient deposits. These wild types stimulate plant responses differently than the common commercial BT.
I understand that the US education is broken but this science is not above high school level. Unless your brain is smooth you should study up on cry protiens and their relationship with thiols & sulphur. And if you cannot comprehend then please don't take it as an insult to your smooth brain. I know that can't be helped

No, its not. We grew the stuff for 6 straight years, in every type of soil, and used about evry type pof fertilizer there was back then.

It smelled like a Skunk, no matter what you did.

We grew it in Potting Soil, Peat Moss, Sphagnum Moss, Regular soil, in
North East Kentucky-
SE Ky
Southern Ohio
Lincoln County Ky-Near Cornbread Mafia. 40 miles from New Haven-Large amounts of Magnesium, and Calcium in soil in central-south central Ky. Bluegrass Region. High in Limestone.

River Bank Soil.
Ohio River
Scioto River
Big Sandy River
Levisa Fork of Big Sandy
Tug fork of Big Sandy.
Cave Run Lake, outside of Morehead Ky
Kentucky River
Tygart Creek-Carter County-Ky
Grayson Lake-Carter Ky

ALL of it smelled like a Skunk, with No Exceptions and we NEVER did anything special to the soil, or the fertilizer used. We used what we had, at the time, which was mainly Miracle Grow-Peters, and individual farm type fertilizers. Miracle grow/Peters were usually 20-20-20.. 15-30-15...5-50-17
46-0-0
0-44-0
0-0-52.
Lime

We never even thought about fertilizer affecting the Skunk attributes. We used, what we had.

 

[conor c]

Bt is an endophytic bacterium, which means it can colonize the internal tissues of plants without causing harm. It can be found in the roots, stems, and leaves of plants, and can be passed on to the next generation through the seeds.

Bacillus thuringiensis strains can be frequently found as an endophytic bacterium in the wild. Which means it gets inside the plants and seeds.

These microbes indirectly affect plant phenotypic plasticity and fitness through modulation of plant development and defense responses. In doing so, "Bt can affect fitness by both increasing or decreasing the degree of phenotypic plasticity, depending on the phenotype and the environmental stress studied".

Phenotypic plasticity refers to some of the changes in a plants behavior, morphology and physiology in response to a unique environment

I can agree to a point with some of what you said but some things have a huge amount of pheno plasticity regardless and others don't so much the UK cheese is a good example of a strain with high pheno plasticity also what about when people grow hydro with synthetics in that situation there is way less influence from microbial life and that kinda lessens your argument cos plenty of folks grew the skunky stuff indoors a while back many got busted and could attest to it

 

[jimihendrix1]

I can agree to a point with some of what you said but some things have a huge amount of pheno plasticity regardless and others don't so much the UK cheese is a good example of a strain with high pheno plasticity also what about when people grow hydro with synthetics in that situation there is way less influence from microbial life and that kinda lessens your argument cos plenty of folks grew the skunky stuff indoors a while back many got busted and could attest to it sadly.

We grew 100s, of plants, Indoors, in soilless, with chemical fertilizers. No Microbes added ect.

 

[Mothball]

Cry proteins are cysteines produced by Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt)strains

Cysteine amino is a thiol compound.
The oxidation of two cysteine molecules forms cystine, a molecule with a disulfide bond.

Cysteine biosynthesis is a key part of fixing inorganic sulfur from the environment.

These disulfide linkages are made available to the plants.

Thiols are involved in the regulation of a plants transcription factors influencing cellular responses to environmental stimuli.

Cysteine proteinases, also known as thiol proteases, are involved in many aspects of plant development

 

[Mothball]

We grew 100s, of plants, Indoors, in soilless, with chemical fertilizers. No Microbes added ect.

That wasn't the old skunk of the 70s and 80s . People didn't dro back then bro. My folks only had fluorescent light.
SoCal skunk Smelled like spray not carcass. Tasted like spray. And an hour after smoking it would come out in a burp tasting just like a lightstruck green bottled beer

 

[hillbill]

The Skunk Weed I Remember from 30 or more years ago was like the good parts of the scent we call Skunk. Very alluring and very sweet but with a sour edge. It didn’t make you think “gross this shit stinks”. It made you want to roll in it.
Central Highlands

 

[decrepit digits]

Bt is an endophytic bacterium, which means it can colonize the internal tissues of plants without causing harm. It can be found in the roots, stems, and leaves of plants, and can be passed on to the next generation through the seeds.

Bacillus thuringiensis strains can be frequently found as an endophytic bacterium in the wild. Which means it gets inside the plants and seeds.

These microbes indirectly affect plant phenotypic plasticity and fitness through modulation of plant development and defense responses. In doing so, "Bt can affect fitness by both increasing or decreasing the degree of phenotypic plasticity, depending on the phenotype and the environmental stress studied".

Phenotypic plasticity refers to some of the changes in a plants behavior, morphology and physiology in response to a unique environment

If this was how skunk came to be there is no way to know how to replicate it. Finding the exact bacterium and introducing it to the same phenotype plants sounds like a needle in a haystack, and it carrying over to seeds sounds like one in a million chance.

 

[jimihendrix1]

That wasn't the old skunk of the 70s and 80s . People didn't dro back then bro. My folks only had fluorescent light.
SoCal skunk Smelled like spray not carcass. Tasted like spray. And an hour after smoking it would come out in a burp tasting just like a lightstruck green bottled beer

Dude!! Ive been growing weed, since 1972. You probably werent even born yet. Maybe you were. And Ive been smoking weed, since 1967.

I bought the Supernova Light System, and the Octagarden, IN 1978, STRAIGHT FROM HIGH TIMES. 9 x 10 gallon buckets,, and a Pump. 1 bucket was the reserviour, and the other 8, for plants. Thus the Name-Octagarden.

The very first HID ever released/advertised for growing weed, was a Halide-1000w in 1977-78, and it came from the Navy, Nuclear Sub program, where they would grow veggies, in the sub, because sometimes, they would have ZERO CONTACT, for 6 months, or more.


You for sure do not know what you speak of, with that assessment.

Prior to 1977. I experimented with 8ft SHO Fluorescents. I had 10 of the double fixture SHO. Mix of Cool, and Warm white.

Also.
Using Peat Moss, Sphagnum Moss, Rocks, IS SOILLESS HYDROOPONICS.

The Octagarden, used Lava Rock, or Pea Gravel.

Epcot Center had NFT-Hydro, in 1972.

 

[PurpleHaze.SE]

As already written in this thread, the old Skunk #1 came from late 1960's or early 1970's and was created by Sacred Seeds Collective and Sam the Skunkman in northern California. It says to be a crossing of an Afghan Indica and a Colombian Gold. I remember the weed was popular in the San Francisco and L.A. area late 1970's. I lived mostly in SF and L.A. most of the year 1979.

EDIT: more likely they used a top of the line (Indica) Afghan, maybe from Afghanistan and a top of the line Sativa, from Colombia, Mexico, Thailand, Vietnam or what ever... who knows?

 

[jimihendrix1]

Skunk 1, Never smelled like Skunk.

 

[wheresthekoosh]

these skunk/diesel threads are always good reads, especially from the people who've been around awhile.
was there a specific effect these had? or are we just going for scent?

 

[eastcoastmo]

Skunk 1, Never smelled like Skunk.

It was super Skunk and NL5 X Skunk that were the skunkiest for me!

 

[eastcoastmo]

these skunk/diesel threads are always good reads, especially from the people who've been around awhile.
was there a specific effect these had? or are we just going for scent?

It was one hit and quit type weed. I could never have more than 2 bongs of it or I'd green out. The old lime green, bright orange pistil super Skunk was wild, so many of my mates greened off that stuff! I'd kill to have it again!

 

[conor c]

Dude!! Ive been growing weed, since 1972. You probably werent even born yet. Maybe you were. And Ive been smoking weed, since 1967.

I bought the Supernova Light System, and the Octagarden, IN 1978, STRAIGHT FROM HIGH TIMES. 9 x 10 gallon buckets,, and a Pump. 1 bucket was the reserviour, and the other 8, for plants. Thus the Name-Octagarden.

The very first HID ever released/advertised for growing weed, was a Halide-1000w in 1977-78, and it came from the Navy, Nuclear Sub program, where they would grow veggies, in the sub, because sometimes, they would have ZERO CONTACT, for 6 months, or more.


You for sure do not know what you speak of, with that assessment.

Prior to 1977. I experimented with 8ft SHO Fluorescents. I had 10 of the double fixture SHO. Mix of Cool, and Warm white.

Also.
Using Peat Moss, Sphagnum Moss, Rocks, IS SOILLESS HYDROOPONICS.

The Octagarden, used Lava Rock, or Pea Gravel.

Epcot Center had NFT-Hydro, in 1972.

Yeah hydro was around sure it was less common but folk were messing with it earlier than some realise

 

[conor c]

That wasn't the old skunk of the 70s and 80s . People didn't dro back then bro. My folks only had fluorescent light.
SoCal skunk Smelled like spray not carcass. Tasted like spray. And an hour after smoking it would come out in a burp tasting just like a lightstruck green bottled beer

You want the skunky beer thing look into warlock most are fruity however there is the odd one that is like skunky beer that's Magus genetics strain originally but serious seeds keeps it going it's skunk x some kinda afghani

 

[conor c]

As already written in this thread, the old Skunk #1 came from late 1960's or early 1970's and was created by Sacred Seeds Collective and Sam the Skunkman in northern California. It says to be a crossing of an Afghan Indica and a Colombian Gold. I remember the weed was popular in the San Francisco and L.A. area late 1970's. I lived mostly in SF and L.A. most of the year 1979.

EDIT: more likely they used a top of the line (Indica) Afghan, maybe from Afghanistan and a top of the line Sativa, from Colombia, Mexico, Thailand, Vietnam or what ever... who knows?

It's kinda a joke calling mazari an indica tho something that grows close to it and that is shorter would be what rsc sells as balkhi/chimtal it would be closer to what we call indica but not bang on anyway mazari isn't like that it's a tall plant its northern afghan/turkestani it's a hybrid in origin we can thank the Uighurs for honestly to add to the confusion the afghan people sometimes call mazari balkhi as it's a city in that region it's high yielding and grown all over afghan now so it's not just in the north anymore anyway alot of these ghani lines dont conform to our ideas of indica and sativa so easily

 

[mandocat]

these skunk/diesel threads are always good reads, especially from the people who've been around awhile.
was there a specific effect these had? or are we just going for scent?

For me, skunk in the 80s was some of the most powerful weed I ever had! It was very "Up", even psychedelic at times. So much weed these days leans much more sedating, to me. Of course nostalgia plays a part.

 

[MtRainDog]

For me, skunk in the 80s was some of the most powerful weed I ever had! It was very "Up", even psychedelic at times. So much weed these days leans much more sedating, to me. Of course nostalgia plays a part.

I think it's the over-hybridization effect. Even the really potent modern stuff is like an overwhelming onset followed by sleepy time or just doesn't really do much of anything for me. I wanna get high, not doze off. Back to skunk.. I think the most promising skunk I have in the collection is akbb's NL1/NL5 x Super Skunk. The one grow I've seen of it looked really nice, plants nearly identical to the skunk 1 @skink#1 has been showing off. I am curious why he never released super skunk f2's or whatever he has. They'd sell like hotcakes. I'd buy two packs of it in a heartbeat.

 

[skink#1]

Skunk#1. God the buzz of SuperSkunk is so boring...I like getting high too. Am doing a double infusion on coconut oil. The first was not decarbed the second was. I hope it's still tasty when done. I used a plant cut early at max terps for the the decarb looking for effect. I'm working on the seeds. Im going to check if the last sprouted in a minute. They popped like they were a year old not 21 years old. Terps on the skunk I just dried would make a believer of you. Part of it is nostalgia, the other the amazing work Dave Watson put into it. As for the thiol skunky skunk... Dave Watson said everyone bred away from it because the best highs were the more sativa sweet side of things. The golf ball skunk nuggets I got in 80 or 81 were sweet. And they looked awfully similar to what I have now.