High End - State of the Art way to grow!?

Hi, I am growing for many many years, outdoor and had a lot of experience with growing indoor in living organic soils.

But now I am at a point where I will set up a room for a friend of mine, and my friend does not want to go the slower Organic soil route, but he wants whatever brings him the biggest yield while still having a good quality product in the end! No artificial PGR or other harmfull stuff allowed!

So what would you recommend? Whats the state of the Art way of growing indoor bud in 2024?

Aquaponic, Hydroponics, ebb-flood, autopots, or whatever I didnt mention? whats the real deal in terms of high yield and still good smoke?

I would love to hear some experiences and what you think? I do not want to use additional co2, because the room will be in a city with ok co2 numbers..
 

UnknownRemedy

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Hi, I am growing for many many years, outdoor and had a lot of experience with growing indoor in living organic soils.

But now I am at a point where I will set up a room for a friend of mine, and my friend does not want to go the slower Organic soil route, but he wants whatever brings him the biggest yield while still having a good quality product in the end! No artificial PGR or other harmfull stuff allowed!

So what would you recommend? Whats the state of the Art way of growing indoor bud in 2024?

Aquaponic, Hydroponics, ebb-flood, autopots, or whatever I didnt mention? whats the real deal in terms of high yield and still good smoke?

I would love to hear some experiences and what you think? I do not want to use additional co2, because the room will be in a city with ok co2 numbers..
If your friend hasn't grown he needs to start smaller. It's not hard to figure out how to scale it bigger. Wasting money on an entire room when you don't even know what medium to use is kinda silly.
 

amneziaHaze

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Hi, I am growing for many many years, outdoor and had a lot of experience with growing indoor in living organic soils.

But now I am at a point where I will set up a room for a friend of mine, and my friend does not want to go the slower Organic soil route, but he wants whatever brings him the biggest yield while still having a good quality product in the end! No artificial PGR or other harmfull stuff allowed!

So what would you recommend? Whats the state of the Art way of growing indoor bud in 2024?

Aquaponic, Hydroponics, ebb-flood, autopots, or whatever I didnt mention? whats the real deal in terms of high yield and still good smoke?

I would love to hear some experiences and what you think? I do not want to use additional co2, because the room will be in a city with ok co2 numbers..
The numbers of co2 plant would love to live feels like a distopian world hahah.


Depends on the space and money airoponics gives better results but not soo much better and the investment is huge and problems are huge.
Hydro is second there are many types designed for space and saving nutes all of them are basicly the same you wont get extra gram/w just because you use one.

Coco is next no idea why people use it but its better than soil.
Then you have soil.soil is.... well soil is the traditional way i want to say taste
 

7CardBud

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If he wants to flex on the poors growing in muddy cowshit.....I would suggest high pressure aeroponics. You need all sorts of fancy stuff like atomizers, solenoids, check valves, logic boards, micron filters, expensive pumps, manifolds and a lot of patience when all that stuff starts to malfunction.
 

Rocket Soul

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Sounds like it should be your friend here asking. And then you can help him setup. Dont try to setup up a system that you dont know to start with, especially not to a friend or what sounds like comercial - too much risk for both of you; him: loss of profits and lots of cash spent.
You: lose a friend arguing why it didnt live up to his expectation. Youll end up hating eachother before this is over.

The best answer here to your question is indeed coco drain to waste - handwatered. But it means your friend will not be able to leave the grow for more than over night, normally. If he then wants to go further he can always try develop it.

It is the best answer not cause it is the most effective - its the most easily adaptable to all other circumstances of the grow; its basicly the best we could give you since we know nothing about the rest of your circumstances. And its just trays and pots, not so much investment.

You see:
Choosing medium depends on lighting and somewhat climate. Lighting is best determined by climate (or what environment would be easiest to create and maintain indoors), energy prices and skill level of the operator. Indoor environment depends on sealed or vented and investment and amps available and again energy prices. All this depends on size and if personal or comercial. Medium also goes with what nutes you wanna use. System goes with availability to be in the grow, and how much effort he can put in daily. Are you starting to see a picture? He should decide by making many questions and inquiries himself, then you can use your know how in how to setup. I dont doubt that you have good experience growing within your system but have you ever setup and designed another system yourself? Its not the same as growing the same organic flowers as youve always done.

And are you even sure you have maxed out your organic approach? If you had youd probably be trying to steer him towards organic soil with SIPs. But that could also go wrong if he changed lighting from HIDs to leds; i wouldnt rec any system with all nutes in pot by start of flower with leds. You will be needing a way to adjust over night.

The whole thing also depends on size of grow; some system are great but labor intensive: imagine having to mix up all that organic soil for 200 plants on your own? But if it was 4 its not a biggie. Have you considered his water source and how it comes into play in the system? We need to collect rainwater for our grow, no other way to do it in our conditions. Are you on well or city water? How much water could you reliably use per day?

Handwatered drain to waste coco means your buddy can start somewhere and its easy to find a solution to all these problems that can arise. Its close enough to being ideal, other systems will depend on so many things that we may inadvertently set you off to a system that simply doesnt work for his specific conditions.

His skill level is also a factor. Slow organic, where you dont push the plants as hard as in other cases, with HIDs is one of the easiest ways to grow. Going to another will immediately increase skill level requirements.

If he wants to flex on the poors growing in muddy cowshit.....I would suggest high pressure aeroponics. You need all sorts of fancy stuff like atomizers, solenoids, check valves, logic boards, micron filters, expensive pumps, manifolds and a lot of patience when all that stuff starts to malfunction.
No shade on aero but have they got enough to pull that off on the first try setting up?
 
If he wants to flex on the poors growing in muddy cowshit.....I would suggest high pressure aeroponics. You need all sorts of fancy stuff like atomizers, solenoids, check valves, logic boards, micron filters, expensive pumps, manifolds and a lot of patience when all that stuff starts to malfunction.
Thats funny man, I had a nice laugh! I got your point buddy!
 
Sounds like it should be your friend here asking. And then you can help him setup. Dont try to setup up a system that you dont know to start with, especially not to a friend or what sounds like comercial - too much risk for both of you; him: loss of profits and lots of cash spent.
You: lose a friend arguing why it didnt live up to his expectation. Youll end up hating eachother before this is over.

The best answer here to your question is indeed coco drain to waste - handwatered. But it means your friend will not be able to leave the grow for more than over night, normally. If he then wants to go further he can always try develop it.

It is the best answer not cause it is the most effective - its the most easily adaptable to all other circumstances of the grow; its basicly the best we could give you since we know nothing about the rest of your circumstances. And its just trays and pots, not so much investment.

You see:
Choosing medium depends on lighting and somewhat climate. Lighting is best determined by climate (or what environment would be easiest to create and maintain indoors), energy prices and skill level of the operator. Indoor environment depends on sealed or vented and investment and amps available and again energy prices. All this depends on size and if personal or comercial. Medium also goes with what nutes you wanna use. System goes with availability to be in the grow, and how much effort he can put in daily. Are you starting to see a picture? He should decide by making many questions and inquiries himself, then you can use your know how in how to setup. I dont doubt that you have good experience growing within your system but have you ever setup and designed another system yourself? Its not the same as growing the same organic flowers as youve always done.

And are you even sure you have maxed out your organic approach? If you had youd probably be trying to steer him towards organic soil with SIPs. But that could also go wrong if he changed lighting from HIDs to leds; i wouldnt rec any system with all nutes in pot by start of flower with leds. You will be needing a way to adjust over night.

The whole thing also depends on size of grow; some system are great but labor intensive: imagine having to mix up all that organic soil for 200 plants on your own? But if it was 4 its not a biggie. Have you considered his water source and how it comes into play in the system? We need to collect rainwater for our grow, no other way to do it in our conditions. Are you on well or city water? How much water could you reliably use per day?

Handwatered drain to waste coco means your buddy can start somewhere and its easy to find a solution to all these problems that can arise. Its close enough to being ideal, other systems will depend on so many things that we may inadvertently set you off to a system that simply doesnt work for his specific conditions.

His skill level is also a factor. Slow organic, where you dont push the plants as hard as in other cases, with HIDs is one of the easiest ways to grow. Going to another will immediately increase skill level requirements.


No shade on aero but have they got enough to pull that off on the first try setting up?
You always so helpful, your great, Rocket :)
Multiple ppl mentioned Coco being close to hydro in terms of quantity and are easy to operate!
Thanks to everybody, I will consider all your input!
 
City with ok CO2 numbers ?

Ambient levels ( everywhere) are over 400 parts per million
I doubt that a forest has same co2 levels at night and at daytime and same thing with a industrial city in comparison. or am I wrong here? I always IMAGINED that co2 in a forest must be high at night and low in the daytime and a city (people, cars, industy) would have a more even co2 level all the time. maybe I am wrong, feel free to correct me.
 

Rocket Soul

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You always so helpful, your great, Rocket :)
Multiple ppl mentioned Coco being close to hydro in terms of quantity and are easy to operate!
Thanks to everybody, I will consider all your input!
Thank you :) its hard to advice online, theres always so many things one doesnt know so sometimes better not to push one way or another. Ive had peeps hit me up for diy advice which im happy to give but then to realize that maybe im putting someone into a dangerous or bad situation - which results would then be on me. Go for coco and leds, if youre not in alaska.
Try to push for good climate controls like ac infinity or split AC if decent size. Must have a plan for how to heat or maintain heat in the grow area, this is crucial for leds and if not worked into the design you end up spending lots of amps on it. And something to control humidity up and down. After that theres little that can go wrong designwise, but still plenty of tweaking to get it right. And of course, throw all your ideas up here in the thread, along with deta like size and height and whats your buddies expectation.
If this is for comercial; anywhere legal its actually quite hard to grow with a profit. If personal stash; i would just try to steer him more towards some quality lights, make sure all the work is worth it and he can grow something better than whats available.
 
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