TRUMP CONVICTED

BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Fogdog said:
For anybody who wants to hear from both sides regarding Judge Cannon's ruling, here they are:

The view that Judge Cannon is out of line and Jack Smith has to take action that will lead to appealing to the 11th circuit court to remove Cannon from the case,


The view that the Presidential Records act, in effect gives Trump the right to have those documents and Cannon was right to rule that it can't be decided pretrial:

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between the two i have to agree with Tribe, from my understanding, when the president leaves office all records must go to the NARA right after, this way they can be documented and stored safely, now if the ex president wants the refer to those records he has to send a request to the NARA for it at which depending on the sensitivity of said document, it will read in a safe place or redacted to which it can be read again......that's my understanding.....what the orange pie hole did was take said docs, hide them, lie about them, showed people them....and i shutter to say this possibly sold them (grey area for me cause idk) The ex presidents ex lawyer is pretty much a moron to this.........
 
Fogdog

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BudmanTX said:
between the two i have to agree with Tribe, from my understanding, when the president leaves office all records must go to the NARA right after, this way they can be documented and stored safely, now if the ex president wants the refer to those records he has to send a request to the NARA for it at which depending on the sensitivity of said document, it will read in a safe place or redacted to which it can be read again......that's my understanding.....what the orange pie hole did was take said docs, hide them, lie about them, showed people them....and i shutter to say this possibly sold them (grey area for me cause idk) The ex presidents ex lawyer is pretty much a moron to this.........
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The advocate for Trump claimed the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the right to take and claim any document as his personal property without following existing procedures for secret documents, which are, to first declassify them or at the very least telling NARA that he was taking them and claiming they were property. This makes zero sense from a practical point of view. But is something a criminal would want to be able to do.

Those were valuable documents and could be worth something. So Trump took them. Because he is a criminal. Simple as that. Trump is a greedy pig, he saw something valuable and took it. Then he used every trick he could to keep the documents and failing that, to avoid facing the consequences of being caught stealing the documents. OK, so maybe I'm projecting here but with a purpose. Projection is what that defense lawyer did.

Trump's former lawyer made the case to the viewers that Trump's lawyers are making before Judge Cannon. Also, he used every dirty rhetorical trick in the book just like Trump's defense team will do if they are allowed to make that argument before a jury in court. He projected what Smith is THINKING and then built a reason why Smith is wrong around that projection. Its a straw man. The argument that defense lawyer made is, as you say, false. It makes no sense that Congress would intend to give a former president the right to do what Trump has been doing with national defense top secrets or secrets regarding nuclear weapons technology. But that defense lawyer was doing the job that defense lawyers are paid to do. He wasn't trying to present facts under the law, he is trying to win the argument.

I won't project what Judge Cannon is thinking. A generous explanation is that she's an inexperienced trial judge and made a mistake. What I got out of listening to those two videos of lawyers making a case regarding what Smith should do is that Smith is right about the idea that it's Cannon's role to decide if the PRA gives Trump the right to do what he did. Juries don't make law, they decide if the facts presented during the trial are sufficient to convict under that law.

The jury's role is not to rewrite laws. Which is why the 11th circuit court will need to make a ruling if Judge Cannon refuses to do so. At the same time, Smith would have good reason to apply to the 11th Circuit Court that Cannon be replaced with a different judge.
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
The advocate for Trump claimed the Presidential Records Act gave Trump the right to take and claim any document as his personal property without following existing procedures for secret documents, which are, to first declassify them or at the very least telling NARA that he was taking them and claiming they were property. This makes zero sense from a practical point of view. But is something a criminal would want to be able to do.

Those were valuable documents and could be worth something. So Trump took them. Because he is a criminal. Simple as that. Trump is a greedy pig, he saw something valuable and took it. Then he used every trick he could to keep the documents and failing that, to avoid facing the consequences of being caught stealing the documents. OK, so maybe I'm projecting here but with a purpose. Projection is what that defense lawyer did.

Trump's former lawyer made the case to the viewers that Trump's lawyers are making before Judge Cannon. Also, he used every dirty rhetorical trick in the book just like Trump's defense team will do if they are allowed to make that argument before a jury in court. He projected what Smith is THINKING and then built a reason why Smith is wrong around that projection. Its a straw man. The argument that defense lawyer made is, as you say, false. It makes no sense that Congress would intend to give a former president the right to do what Trump has been doing with national defense top secrets or secrets regarding nuclear weapons technology. But that defense lawyer was doing the job that defense lawyers are paid to do. He wasn't trying to present facts under the law, he is trying to win the argument.

I won't project what Judge Cannon is thinking. A generous explanation is that she's an inexperienced trial judge and made a mistake. What I got out of listening to those two videos of lawyers making a case regarding what Smith should do is that Smith is right about the idea that it's Cannon's role to decide if the PRA gives Trump the right to do what he did. Juries don't make law, they decide if the facts presented during the trial are sufficient to convict under that law.

The jury's role is not to rewrite laws. Which is why the 11th circuit court will need to make a ruling if Judge Cannon refuses to do so. At the same time, Smith would have good reason to apply to the 11th Circuit Court that Cannon be replaced with a different judge.
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Bing-a-rino. He was putting lipstick on the pig of the alt-fact Repug agenda.

I’m glad CNN presented a rebuttal toward the end. Til then it sounded like pure Fox.
 
BudmanTX

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oh the stock is just a tumbling down......

The stock value for Donald Trump's media company dropped to its lowest since going public, stripping away nearly $2 billion from the former president's share, according to multiple reports.

Shares for Trump Media were as high as $79.38 on March 26 when trading began, but this Friday shares plunges to $41.90, a drop of around 47 percent.

The drop also took Trump’s personal stake in the company from $4.9 billion to about $3.3 billion, CNN reported.

The fluctuation in share prices is causing analysts to speculate that the company is massively overvalued by Wall Street.

“I mean, it’s ridiculous,” billionaire chairman of Expedia Barry Diller said on CNBC. “The company has no revenue.”

In a statement to CNN, a spokesperson for Trump Media slammed the company's critics.

“It is unsurprising to see die-hard Trump haters and leftwing flacks blow a gasket now that Truth Social has become a public company that, still today, refuses to suppress political expression that contradicts the narratives they want to enforce,” spokesperson Shannon Devine said.

According to The New York Times, challenges for the company, which owns Trump's Truth Social platform, started "during the company’s efforts to complete a merger with a special purpose acquisition company, or SPAC, to help take it public. That process involved a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation, an $18 million penalty and a lawsuit involving two early founders of the social media company that made its way to Delaware Chancery Court."

The Times went on to say that Trump Media looks a lot like a "meme stock" -- shares of companies whose investors may be influenced by social media behavior -- which is volatile by nature, according to experts.

"Mr. Trump, however, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, may have larger worries on his mind. He recently had to post bonds in two separate cases, amounting to well over $200 million," The Times' report stated.

www.rawstory.com

Trump loses nearly $2 billion as Truth Social parent stock hits new low: reports

The stock value for Donald Trump's media company dropped to its lowest since going public, stripping away nearly $2 billion from the former president's share, according to multiple reports. Shares for Trump Media were as high as $79.38 on March 26 when trading began, but this Friday shares...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com

who ever invested right now, is losing they're shirt...........tumble tumble tumble........


https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2663538179/
 
BudmanTX

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ok me and fog were talking about the PRA (Presidential Records Act) so i decided to take a read:

www.archives.gov

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of...
www.archives.gov www.archives.gov

^ This is from the .gov site....

en.wikipedia.org

Presidential Records Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

^Wiki site.....now the Wiki site gave me a little more insight
1: it was updated by Obama with EX 1352 (this had to deal with Classified Material)

2: the executive order (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13526)

reading this i have to agree with Jack, this is no argument, to be infact, orange dumpy actually violated it.......with this in mind

oh 11th circuit time for you take Cannon off the case........give it to a new judge that isn't green and actually knows something please.....
 
Fogdog

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cannabineer said:
The situation in the first vid would have been a game-over scandal ten or so years ago. Now it’s not even in my news feed.
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I picture fumes of sulfur trailing behind him wherever he goes. OF COURSE he used some dodgy bank from a country with a low reputation for financial regulation. It's dirty money. Can't prove that assertion but we all know what he's doing, even his ardent supporters do. The way he openly flaunts the law is a demonstration of the power and influence he has. So far, he's managed to make it work. If he wins in the fall, he'll end our justice system as we know it and it will be game over for the prosecution of DJT.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
I picture fumes of sulfur trailing behind him wherever he goes. OF COURSE he used some dodgy bank from a country with a low reputation for financial regulation. It's dirty money. Can't prove that assertion but we all know what he's doing, even his ardent supporters do. The way he openly flaunts the law is a demonstration of the power and influence he has. So far, he's managed to make it work. If he wins in the fall, he'll end our justice system as we know it and it will be game over for the prosecution of DJT.
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I really do wonder why the press isn’t all over this stuff like a nest of pissed-off hornets.
 
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