TRUMP CONVICTED
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
This. It is offensive to watch it work time and again. However I’m with Fogdog that his game is being overstressed (not unlike Ukraine’s defense, but with reverse moral polarity). He’s close (how close, ~shrug~) to reaching Critical Ass, at which point we should witness a satisfyingly energetic collapse — like a day’s worth of setting up dominoes, then watching them all fall in a brief ecstatic clatter.
It is an unfortunate feature of a republic that such a malefactor, with enough money (real or virtual) and just the right connections to the cryptofascist machine that he inherited from Cohn — gets to abuse the justice system the way he has been doing for over four decades.
The way he has suborned (or inherited and ran with the subornation of) an entire political party poses a threat to our republic unprecedented in our history — but not that of Europe. The danger is clear in the shadow of their examples, and in the revelation of how much Russian influence has corrupted our media — and not only Murdoch outlets.
The next few months are imo the time of crisis, with appellate courts at its hinge. This could break in several directions. It will be fascinating/nerve-wracking to watch. The possibility for disaster is not to be ignored, but I’m still confident that the rule of law will prevail. The GOP, if it survives, is in for a colossal enema. In my current opinion.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That's well put,and I'm WAAAAY offended watching this MF'ers tactics,The balls of this prick to subject this country, that has provided his richly undeserved charmed life,to a mind bending assault on it's integrity, morally/judicially/civility/and internationally cannot be defined in Websters.If only this MF would have been satiated being the pompous jerk off NY real estate beat artist as his claim to fame and stayed in his FKN lane what a wonderful world it could have been.
H G Griffin
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Read where? If you say stuff like that you might as leave a link.I read that there are no rules prohibiting the Saudi's or Putin or Musk from paying trumps fines....
doublejj
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"He could borrow this money from just about anybody. Or not even borrow it. Someone might just give it to him. Incredibly, as Neal Katyal said on MSNBC Wednesday night, there is apparently no law that prohibits someone in Trump’s position from securing the collateral from anyone. It’s another one of those laws that I suppose no one ever even thought to write because the system has never encountered a Donald Trump before. But now it has.
“There are potential sanctions prohibitions and campaign finance prohibitions. And of course potential tax issues,” MSNBC analyst Andrew Weissmann told me via email Thursday. “But apart from those, a third party can give a gift or loan to post the federal or state bonds.”
Ponder with me the possible dangers here. Let’s imagine a roster of actors who might have the resources and motive to stake Trump to half a billion dollars, either as a loan or a gift.
Imagine a President Trump Who Owes Saudi Arabia $540 Million
Who’s going to pay Trump’s legal penalty?
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printer
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Which is no problem. Because Trump gets bailed out and he does not lean his lesson. Carrol will sue him again but the jury knows that to change Trump's methods they would have to multiply the verdict by ten times to make it hurt. So rather than the half billion the new award would be five billion."He could borrow this money from just about anybody. Or not even borrow it. Someone might just give it to him. Incredibly, as Neal Katyal said on MSNBC Wednesday night, there is apparently no law that prohibits someone in Trump’s position from securing the collateral from anyone. It’s another one of those laws that I suppose no one ever even thought to write because the system has never encountered a Donald Trump before. But now it has.
“There are potential sanctions prohibitions and campaign finance prohibitions. And of course potential tax issues,” MSNBC analyst Andrew Weissmann told me via email Thursday. “But apart from those, a third party can give a gift or loan to post the federal or state bonds.”
Ponder with me the possible dangers here. Let’s imagine a roster of actors who might have the resources and motive to stake Trump to half a billion dollars, either as a loan or a gift.
Imagine a President Trump Who Owes Saudi Arabia $540 Million
Who’s going to pay Trump’s legal penalty?
I see no problem.
BudmanTX
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Or Jared, he got a big pay day from the SaudisI read that there are no rules prohibiting the Saudi's or Putin or Musk from paying trumps fines....
compassionateExotic
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
what’s with the catfish headline?
printer
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Any of the Trump family going to give their money away? Not bloody likely.
Fogdog
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I saw the headline disappear and his program popped up that was 40 minutes long. No mention in other news about Trump confessing his guilt on this. I didn't listen to his show.
Lawrence O'Donnell's wattle wagging under his chin distracts me to the point that I can't listen to what he's saying. Does anybody else have the same problem?
BudmanTX
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Looks like the orange numb nut has filed a notice of appeal with the courts for his NY Fraud trail. Keep in mind this is just a notice, he still has to aquire the bond to actually get it into the court system. Which means he has to secure the bond first which is in the neighborhood of $450 plus interest per day. Which aquits to little over a $100k a day till he pays........
apnews.com
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Bond holders lining up to help him goes as this:
Pay up Don Don, the judge got you big time with this line:
“You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay,” Engoron responded to the request.
Basically with that line, your screwed..........we'll see overall...
Donald Trump appeals $454 million judgment in New York civil fraud case
Donald Trump has appealed his $454 million New York civil fraud judgment, challenging a judge’s finding that he lied about his wealth as he grew the real estate empire that launched him to stardom and the presidency.
apnews.com
Trump appeals $454M New York fraud ruling
Former President Trump on Monday appealed a judge’s decision ordering him to pay more than $450 million in the New York attorney general’s sprawling civil fraud case against his business empire. Ju…
thehill.com
Bond holders lining up to help him goes as this:
Pay up Don Don, the judge got you big time with this line:
“You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay,” Engoron responded to the request.
Basically with that line, your screwed..........we'll see overall...
hanimmal
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You don't see how people could build up to a relationship?
I would point to say a DA being anti-Capone prior to trying him might not have been looked at as being somehow biased would be similar. Trump is a crook, saying you were going to bring it against him and let 12 Americans decide his fate against the evidence in a court of law should not be somehow 'biased' and unworthy of trying his case, therefore it should be thrown out.
H G Griffin
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You are the only honest reporter I've read on this.
Everyone else says he has appealed, like it's a done deal.His '"notice of appeal" means nothing unless he can provide the required security, and right now there is no reason to believe he has it. Even if he does, this will just make it easier to collect once he loses on appeal, since the legal consensus seems to be that the best he can hope for is a minor reduction in the total owed.
If he still has any big money backers hiding in the shadows, they may be forced to reveal themselves. I doubt there are enough shoe buying morons to cover 1/2 a billion dollars.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
He can no doubt make up the difference from his Taboola royalties on that asocial media site of his. People are saying that they’re yuuge.You are the only honest reporter I've read on this.
His '"notice of appeal" means nothing unless he can provide the required security, and right now there is no reason to believe he has it. Even if he does, this will just make it easier to collect once he loses on appeal, since the legal consensus seems to be that the best he can hope for is a minor reduction in the total owed.
If he still has any big money backers hiding in the shadows, they may be forced to reveal themselves. I doubt there are enough shoe buying morons to cover 1/2 a billion dollars.
BudmanTX
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welp here is a little more coming down the pipe as it were:
Alvin Brags Da for Dumb Dumb's criminal trial is already not taking any chances with the orange moron, he's already seeking a gag order, similiar to the ones from the Fraud trial and Jack's smiths DC trial coming which the appeals courts can use......so with this criminal trail coming the moron in question literally has to STFU or......also Braggs is also attempting to keep the jurors names anonymous just like in the Kaplan trail of Carroll, so they won't have any back lash...
www.justsecurity.org
good for them.....
secondly, Cheese head just got busted, for what you say, welp seems Cheese head had a secret account on X ,formally Twitter, even though Cheese for brains said he didn't.....that's a big no no.......possible more charges coming....we'll see
www.rawstory.com
Alvin Brags Da for Dumb Dumb's criminal trial is already not taking any chances with the orange moron, he's already seeking a gag order, similiar to the ones from the Fraud trial and Jack's smiths DC trial coming which the appeals courts can use......so with this criminal trail coming the moron in question literally has to STFU or......also Braggs is also attempting to keep the jurors names anonymous just like in the Kaplan trail of Carroll, so they won't have any back lash...
Manhattan DA Requests 'Narrowly Tailored' Gag Order on Trump Before March Trial
Manhattan DA Bragg asked a judge to impose a “narrowly tailored” gag order on Trump in his first criminal case expected to go to trial.
www.justsecurity.org
good for them.....
secondly, Cheese head just got busted, for what you say, welp seems Cheese head had a secret account on X ,formally Twitter, even though Cheese for brains said he didn't.....that's a big no no.......possible more charges coming....we'll see
'More indictments await': Legal experts respond to Ken Chesebro’s secret Twitter account
Donald Trump ally and election-denying lawyer Ken Chesebro lied to Michigan prosecutors when he claimed he never used one of his social media accounts, a new report suggests — he had a "burner" account on the site "X," which contradicts what he told the prosecutors. Harvard constitutional law...
www.rawstory.com
printer
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Trump seeks to block Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen from testifying at NY hush money trial
Former President Trump’s lawyers in his hush-money case on Monday demanded a New York judge block key witnesses from testifying in Trump’s first criminal trial set to begin next month.
Trump attorney Todd Blanche moved to block testimony from Michael Cohen, Trump’s ex-fixer, and two women he paid to stay quiet about affairs they alleged with Trump: Porn actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal.
Trump’s reimbursements to Cohen are the thrust of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s (D) prosecution of Trump, who denies the affairs and pleaded not guilty to his 34 charges of falsifying business records.
The 47-page motion attacks the witnesses’ credibility at length, casting Cohen as a “liar” and suggesting Daniels would offer “false” and “salacious” testimony.
Trump’s lawyers also took aim at how prosecutors have described the hush money payments as a “catch-and-kill” scheme to quash negative information about Trump in advance of the 2016 presidential election.
The Hill has reached out to Bragg’s office for comment.
Trump’s lawyers also asked to block the notorious 2005 Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump is caught on a hot mic disparaging women, and evidence from close confidants at the time of his alleged crime, including Rudy Giuliani and ex-Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg.
Monday’s filing came soon after prosecutors filed their motion to block Trump from introducing certain testimony at trial, including claims he is being selectively prosecuted and Justice Department filings that would cast doubt on Cohen’s credibility.
Blanche said the state hoped to use “improper” and “inadmissible” evidence to bolster their “listless ‘zombie’ case” meant to interfere with Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign.
The defense attorney pointed to testimony from Cohen in Trump’s civil fraud trial, which ended last month, as a reason to exclude him from the upcoming trial. Cohen testified in the fraud trial that he and Weisselberg “reverse-engineered” Trump’s assets to reach a number the former president liked, but on cross-examination, backtracked on his remarks.
“Michael Cohen is a liar,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.
“He recently committed perjury, on the stand and under oath, at a civil trial involving President Trump. If his public statements are any indication, he plans to do so again at this criminal trial. The Court should preclude Cohen’s testimony in order to protect the integrity of this Court and the process of justice.”
Trump’s hush money trial is scheduled to begin in New York on March 25, the first criminal trial he’ll face — and that any former president has ever faced.
thehill.com
Former President Trump’s lawyers in his hush-money case on Monday demanded a New York judge block key witnesses from testifying in Trump’s first criminal trial set to begin next month.
Trump attorney Todd Blanche moved to block testimony from Michael Cohen, Trump’s ex-fixer, and two women he paid to stay quiet about affairs they alleged with Trump: Porn actress Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal.
Trump’s reimbursements to Cohen are the thrust of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s (D) prosecution of Trump, who denies the affairs and pleaded not guilty to his 34 charges of falsifying business records.
The 47-page motion attacks the witnesses’ credibility at length, casting Cohen as a “liar” and suggesting Daniels would offer “false” and “salacious” testimony.
Trump’s lawyers also took aim at how prosecutors have described the hush money payments as a “catch-and-kill” scheme to quash negative information about Trump in advance of the 2016 presidential election.
The Hill has reached out to Bragg’s office for comment.
Trump’s lawyers also asked to block the notorious 2005 Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump is caught on a hot mic disparaging women, and evidence from close confidants at the time of his alleged crime, including Rudy Giuliani and ex-Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg.
Monday’s filing came soon after prosecutors filed their motion to block Trump from introducing certain testimony at trial, including claims he is being selectively prosecuted and Justice Department filings that would cast doubt on Cohen’s credibility.
Blanche said the state hoped to use “improper” and “inadmissible” evidence to bolster their “listless ‘zombie’ case” meant to interfere with Trump’s 2024 presidential campaign.
The defense attorney pointed to testimony from Cohen in Trump’s civil fraud trial, which ended last month, as a reason to exclude him from the upcoming trial. Cohen testified in the fraud trial that he and Weisselberg “reverse-engineered” Trump’s assets to reach a number the former president liked, but on cross-examination, backtracked on his remarks.
“Michael Cohen is a liar,” Trump’s lawyers wrote.
“He recently committed perjury, on the stand and under oath, at a civil trial involving President Trump. If his public statements are any indication, he plans to do so again at this criminal trial. The Court should preclude Cohen’s testimony in order to protect the integrity of this Court and the process of justice.”
Trump’s hush money trial is scheduled to begin in New York on March 25, the first criminal trial he’ll face — and that any former president has ever faced.
Trump seeks to block Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen from testifying at NY hush money trial
Former President Trump’s lawyers in his hush-money case on Monday demanded a New York judge block key witnesses from testifying in Trump’s first criminal trial set to begin next month. Trump attorn…
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printer
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Jack Smith invokes Hur report in Trump classified documents case
Special counsel Jack Smith invoked Robert Hur’s report on President Biden’s handling of classified material in court documents filed Monday in former President Trump’s federal classified documents case.
Smith’s filing comes in opposition to Trump’s attorneys claiming the former president is being selectively prosecuted. Smith invoked Hur, who was appointed as special counsel to oversee an investigation into Biden’s handling of classified documents, to argue that the two cases are practically incomparable in scope.
“Most notably, Trump, unlike Biden, is alleged to have engaged in extensive and repeated efforts to obstruct justice and thwart the return of documents bearing classification markings. And the evidence concerning the two men’s intent—whether they knowingly possessed and willfully retained such documents—is also starkly different, as reflected in the Hur Report’s conclusion.”
Biden was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by Hur, who determined that the president’s keeping of classified information in his home and office was against procedure, but not illegal. The most damning aspects of Hur’s report were descriptions of Biden’s well-being, in which he was described as an elderly man with poor recall. Hur cited those descriptions as a reason why he didn’t believe a jury could convict Biden.
Biden, along with the White House and his 2024 campaign, have strongly pushed back against the characterization.
Smith, who like Hur was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland — chosen to lead the Justice Department by Biden — argued that Trump’s violations were willing and intentional and included sharing classified information with unauthorized people. Trump’s willful retention, federal prosecutors argue, is the reason his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida had to be searched by the FBI, where it discovered boxes of non-secured classified materials in various parts of the complex.
Biden’s team, on the other hand, said they fully cooperated with investigators when the classified materials — dating back to his time as vice president and senator — were found at his home in Delaware and an old office in Washington.
Smith argued in his filing that Trump’s comparison of the two cases failed to identify someone else who faced a similar legal predicament.
“The defendants have not identified anyone who has engaged in a remotely similar suite of willful and deceitful criminal conduct and not been prosecuted. Nor could they,” Smith wrote in the filing. “Indeed, the comparators on which they rely are readily distinguishable.”
thehill.com
Special counsel Jack Smith invoked Robert Hur’s report on President Biden’s handling of classified material in court documents filed Monday in former President Trump’s federal classified documents case.
Smith’s filing comes in opposition to Trump’s attorneys claiming the former president is being selectively prosecuted. Smith invoked Hur, who was appointed as special counsel to oversee an investigation into Biden’s handling of classified documents, to argue that the two cases are practically incomparable in scope.
“Most notably, Trump, unlike Biden, is alleged to have engaged in extensive and repeated efforts to obstruct justice and thwart the return of documents bearing classification markings. And the evidence concerning the two men’s intent—whether they knowingly possessed and willfully retained such documents—is also starkly different, as reflected in the Hur Report’s conclusion.”
Biden was cleared of criminal wrongdoing by Hur, who determined that the president’s keeping of classified information in his home and office was against procedure, but not illegal. The most damning aspects of Hur’s report were descriptions of Biden’s well-being, in which he was described as an elderly man with poor recall. Hur cited those descriptions as a reason why he didn’t believe a jury could convict Biden.
Biden, along with the White House and his 2024 campaign, have strongly pushed back against the characterization.
Smith, who like Hur was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland — chosen to lead the Justice Department by Biden — argued that Trump’s violations were willing and intentional and included sharing classified information with unauthorized people. Trump’s willful retention, federal prosecutors argue, is the reason his Mar-a-Lago property in Florida had to be searched by the FBI, where it discovered boxes of non-secured classified materials in various parts of the complex.
Biden’s team, on the other hand, said they fully cooperated with investigators when the classified materials — dating back to his time as vice president and senator — were found at his home in Delaware and an old office in Washington.
Smith argued in his filing that Trump’s comparison of the two cases failed to identify someone else who faced a similar legal predicament.
“The defendants have not identified anyone who has engaged in a remotely similar suite of willful and deceitful criminal conduct and not been prosecuted. Nor could they,” Smith wrote in the filing. “Indeed, the comparators on which they rely are readily distinguishable.”
Jack Smith invokes Hur report in Trump classified documents case
Special counsel Jack Smith invoked Robert Hur’s report on President Biden’s handling of classified material in court documents filed Monday in former President Trump’s federal classifie…
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