TRUMP CONVICTED

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Not just considered, they were (and the living ones still are) the definition of a politician. Being called a politician does not confer respect or legitimize despicable actions, but acknowledges the ability to control actions of the state. Rob Roy always had special takes on all sorts of stuff, but calling Trump a politician is accurate.
The troubling part is, if Trump had a brain, he'd be even more dangerous than he is now. The fascist right found a good champion in Trump, the perfect choice to lead them off the cliff into the abyss. He will destroy the republican party before he is done and might even do it from a jail cell. I do believe Trump will end up having inadvertently helped the cause of liberal democracy and moved the clock ahead in America by a decade or two. I can't image a political party being in a worse position than the GOP are now, stuck with Trump as he goes down in flames and on the wrong side of many popular issues. Parties are founded around ideologies and sometimes people and the republicans are at an ideological dead end with their great leader about to go to prison and have his money taken by the courts. The GOP moved from ideology to a cult of personality, in the end they had no ideology except conning the base and serving the rich, so it was a natural home for someone like Trump.
 

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Trump gag order in NY fraud case temporarily lifted by appeals court
An appeals court has temporarily lifted the gag order barring former President Trump and his attorneys from talking about the trial judge’s staff in his New York civil fraud case.

The order follows an emergency lawsuit filed by Trump’s legal team Wednesday against Judge Arthur Engoron, whose enforcement of the gag orders they claim “casts serious doubt” on his ability to serve as an “impartial finder of fact” overseeing Trump’s case.

“His extraordinary expansion of that order both limits and chills advocacy on Petitioners’ behalf and precludes counsel on pain of contempt from making a record of misconduct and bias in a public courtroom,” Trump’s counsel wrote in the emergency suit.

The former president’s legal team requested an interim stay of Engoron’s gag order — and the sanctions that resulted from his violation, which the New York appellate division granted after oral arguments Thursday.

The gag orders stemmed from an online attack Trump made on Engoron’s principal law clerk, who has become an unwitting main character in the fraud trial.

Trump’s Truth Social account falsely derided the clerk as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) “girlfriend” and included personally identifying information about her. A Schumer spokesperson called the post “ridiculous, absurd, and false” in a statement to The Hill.

Trump and his counsel have repeatedly toed the line regarding their comments about the clerk, claiming that she acts as a “co-judge” in the case and criticizing her for passing notes and whispering with the judge. The judge has fined Trump $15,000 for various violations.

At one point, Engoron unexpectedly called Trump to the witness stand to explain himself for a comment the judge perceived to be about the clerk.

The appeals judge raised concerns over restricting Trump’s free speech in his decision to stay the gag order, meaning Trump can now comment freely about Engoron’s staff while the appeals process plays out.

Trump’s legal team Wednesday filed a mistrial motion on similar grounds, claiming Engoron and his clerk’s purported bias against Trump had “tainted” the case.

“The principal law clerk is given unprecedented and inappropriate latitude,” Trump’s counsel wrote in their mistrial motion.

A spokesperson for the New York attorney general’s office called the mistrial motion an effort to “dismiss the truth and the facts, but the numbers and evidence don’t lie.” The Hill has requested further comment from the attorney general’s office on the appeals court’s decision to lift the gag order.
 

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Trump gag order in NY fraud case temporarily lifted by appeals court
An appeals court has temporarily lifted the gag order barring former President Trump and his attorneys from talking about the trial judge’s staff in his New York civil fraud case.

The order follows an emergency lawsuit filed by Trump’s legal team Wednesday against Judge Arthur Engoron, whose enforcement of the gag orders they claim “casts serious doubt” on his ability to serve as an “impartial finder of fact” overseeing Trump’s case.

“His extraordinary expansion of that order both limits and chills advocacy on Petitioners’ behalf and precludes counsel on pain of contempt from making a record of misconduct and bias in a public courtroom,” Trump’s counsel wrote in the emergency suit.

The former president’s legal team requested an interim stay of Engoron’s gag order — and the sanctions that resulted from his violation, which the New York appellate division granted after oral arguments Thursday.

The gag orders stemmed from an online attack Trump made on Engoron’s principal law clerk, who has become an unwitting main character in the fraud trial.

Trump’s Truth Social account falsely derided the clerk as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) “girlfriend” and included personally identifying information about her. A Schumer spokesperson called the post “ridiculous, absurd, and false” in a statement to The Hill.

Trump and his counsel have repeatedly toed the line regarding their comments about the clerk, claiming that she acts as a “co-judge” in the case and criticizing her for passing notes and whispering with the judge. The judge has fined Trump $15,000 for various violations.

At one point, Engoron unexpectedly called Trump to the witness stand to explain himself for a comment the judge perceived to be about the clerk.

The appeals judge raised concerns over restricting Trump’s free speech in his decision to stay the gag order, meaning Trump can now comment freely about Engoron’s staff while the appeals process plays out.

Trump’s legal team Wednesday filed a mistrial motion on similar grounds, claiming Engoron and his clerk’s purported bias against Trump had “tainted” the case.

“The principal law clerk is given unprecedented and inappropriate latitude,” Trump’s counsel wrote in their mistrial motion.

A spokesperson for the New York attorney general’s office called the mistrial motion an effort to “dismiss the truth and the facts, but the numbers and evidence don’t lie.” The Hill has requested further comment from the attorney general’s office on the appeals court’s decision to lift the gag order.
He should put the asshole in a cell and let him appeal from there, how many emergency appeals are there for people in jail for contempt of court. Let the appeals court spring him and everyone else who appeals jail for contempt can be sprung too. This guy is making a mockery of equality under the law, all he is so far is popular among morons, he holds no official position other than announcing his run for president and anybody can do that, will they get the same preferential treatment? No wonder so many are cynical and have lost faith in the institutions of government. Who gives a fuck about the opinions of people who were lied to with falsehoods so obvious and transparent that a child could see through them.
 

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If Trump isn't disqualified, it will be strange to see the chief justice of the SCOTUS to go to a federal penitentiary to swear him in in his cell! It would be even stranger when he tried to get himself sprung from a state prison, even Georgia would be tough with their system. It might be a big house presidency with his minions occupying cells in the whole wing and paying rent to the state for the staff, Trump stays for free. So, if Roberts doesn't disqualify him for the general election, he might have to swear him in, in a cell. If they don't disqualify him from the primaries, he will take the GOP down with him when he goes, even if they don't nominate him, the RINOs will have stolen it from him, and he will attack the nominee, he would attack them anyway, even if he was disqualified. Anybody sitting on Donald's throne would be in for a rough ride as long as Donald was still around and spouting off.

I figure no matter what happens, convictions, imprisonment and disqualification, he will still have 20 to 30% of the republican base at his command. The republican establishment knows this, and their only hope is if he is disqualified, imprisoned and muzzled, they can't win with Trump and they can't win for sure if he turns on them. The longer Donald is running around loose, the worse it will be for the republicans since he will be going down in court during their primaries and freaking out until they slap the cuffs on in court and lead him away to a cell. He should be sentenced over his DC case by the republican convention in the middle of July. More trouble will likely follow, since he might have another TV trial in Georgia over J6 during the election and should be a federal prisoner by then.
 

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Another confession, dumb as a stump. Wanting to personally lead the insurrection on the capitol and tried to choke a SS driver to drive him there! This will be useful in his DC and Georgia trials, as well as his disqualification trial next fall, if he isn't disqualified from the primaries.


Hear Trump describe what he wanted to do on January 6 in audio recording

Chief Washington correspondent for ABC News Jonathan Karl joins CNN's Erin Burnett to discuss newly released audio from his 2021 interview with former President Donald Trump.
 

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'A traitor': Anonymous former senior Trump official speaks out in new book

Jonathan Karl, Chief Washington Correspondent at ABC News, joins Jen Psaki to discuss his new book "Tired of Winning." They discuss the increasingly authoritarian rhetoric from Trump and Karl's reporting that revealed Trump "couldn't be bothered" to learn how to implement his own policies. Karl also shares his conversation with an anonymous former Trump senior official that called Trump "a traitor" and "a clear and present danger."
 

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I think if she keeps this shit up, she will be removed from the case. This is now a legal sideshow and by the time he is tried for the documents case he will already be a convicted federal prisoner serving what will be a life sentence for him. Great, a lot of his other legal shit will be settled by the time he goes to trial and the public and media can focus on the documents trial, whenever it happens. Meanwhile Georgia will be trying him on TV as an already convicted felon during the election. All cases are slam dunks with a ton of evidence and witnesses.

 

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I think if she keeps this shit up, she will be removed from the case. This is now a legal sideshow and by the time he is tried for the documents case he will already be a convicted federal prisoner serving what will be a life sentence for him. Great, a lot of his other legal shit will be settled by the time he goes to trial and the public and media can focus on the documents trial, whenever it happens. Meanwhile Georgia will be trying him on TV as an already convicted felon during the election. All cases are slam dunks with a ton of evidence and witnesses.

She thinks she's sly by learning from the two times she was beat down by the appellate court with the paperless orders. It looks to me like Jack Smith is okay with letting the evidence pile up. This is a slam dunk, so he can focus on the DC trial. Cannon will be viewed rightly as corrupt in the history books. Those books will be banned in MAGASTAN.
 

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Jack and Georgia are listening too and it's all evidence in his federal and state trials. His disqualification trial for the general election too, if he isn't disqualified today in a Colorado state courtroom, the law is different there when it comes to this matter and it will immediately move to the Colorado Supreme court. If they too find that the republican nominee is not a public office and rule, he is not disqualified from the primaries, it will be the end of the republican party, if they nominate him, or even if they don't. He is going down and he will use them like toilet paper on his way, clawing at the roll as he is sucked down the toilet.

 

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"Fucking Biden!"

Trump rails against reports Biden won’t be charged over classified documents
Former President Trump railed against reports President Biden won’t be charged in the special counsel probe into his handling of classified documents, taking to social media Friday morning to complain of what he considers “prosecutorial misconduct.”
Special counsel Robert Hur is expected to put together a critical report of Biden’s conduct but its not likely to result in criminal charges, the Wall Street Journal first reported Thursday.

Trump, who faces criminal charges in Florida in a classified documents case, fumed on Truth Social against what he called “selective prosecution.”
“Wow! Fake news CNN, through a leak from the Department of Injustice, has just reported that no charges will be filed in the (much bigger than mine!!!) Crooked Joe Biden documents case,” Trump said in one post. “We are living in a very corrupt country!”
CNN cited “two sources close to investigation” in its report on Hur’s plans. Hur was appointed in January to investigate Biden’s case after documents from his time as vice president were found at his former office in Washington, D.C., and his home in Wilmington, Del.
Hur’s team has told officials in the Justice Department that it hopes to have the report completed by the end of the year, but that timeline could change, CNN reported.
Biden was interviewed by Hur in early October after documents were found by officials clearing out his old office last November. Biden has maintained he did nothing wrong and his team has repeatedly noted that his lawyers quickly notified the Justice Department and cooperated with it after discovering the documents.

And Biden’s supporters argue his proactive response paints a crucial contrast with Trump’s conduct, which has been drawn criminal charges from special counsel Jack Smith.
Trump and co-conspirators are accused of misleading investigators and withholding documents from various government agencies.
The National Archives reportedly alerted the Justice Department that Trump possessed more than 300 classified documents after leaving office, which eventually led to the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago property last August.

Trump’s trial in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case is set to go to trial in May 2024, though Judge Aileen Cannon appears to be considering postponing the trial until after the presidential elections.
 

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"Fucking Biden!"

Trump rails against reports Biden won’t be charged over classified documents
Former President Trump railed against reports President Biden won’t be charged in the special counsel probe into his handling of classified documents, taking to social media Friday morning to complain of what he considers “prosecutorial misconduct.”
Special counsel Robert Hur is expected to put together a critical report of Biden’s conduct but its not likely to result in criminal charges, the Wall Street Journal first reported Thursday.

Trump, who faces criminal charges in Florida in a classified documents case, fumed on Truth Social against what he called “selective prosecution.”
“Wow! Fake news CNN, through a leak from the Department of Injustice, has just reported that no charges will be filed in the (much bigger than mine!!!) Crooked Joe Biden documents case,” Trump said in one post. “We are living in a very corrupt country!”
CNN cited “two sources close to investigation” in its report on Hur’s plans. Hur was appointed in January to investigate Biden’s case after documents from his time as vice president were found at his former office in Washington, D.C., and his home in Wilmington, Del.
Hur’s team has told officials in the Justice Department that it hopes to have the report completed by the end of the year, but that timeline could change, CNN reported.
Biden was interviewed by Hur in early October after documents were found by officials clearing out his old office last November. Biden has maintained he did nothing wrong and his team has repeatedly noted that his lawyers quickly notified the Justice Department and cooperated with it after discovering the documents.

And Biden’s supporters argue his proactive response paints a crucial contrast with Trump’s conduct, which has been drawn criminal charges from special counsel Jack Smith.
Trump and co-conspirators are accused of misleading investigators and withholding documents from various government agencies.
The National Archives reportedly alerted the Justice Department that Trump possessed more than 300 classified documents after leaving office, which eventually led to the FBI search of his Mar-a-Lago property last August.

Trump’s trial in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case is set to go to trial in May 2024, though Judge Aileen Cannon appears to be considering postponing the trial until after the presidential elections.
What else can he do, he is surrounded by DOJ officials, so he dares not try any funny business over a largely routine matter. They have the same issue with Hunter over a routine misdemeanor that is covered by a fine in all instances. He would be justified in having all charges dropped because of government misconduct, this simple matter cost this private citizen a fortune in legal bills. He is already suing several of the people involved and has a good case against them I figure.
 

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If Trump is on TV trial in Georgia during the election the damage will be done. If he isn't disqualified and wins the election, he won't be sworn in until the 20th of January, plenty of time for Roberts to swear him in in his cell, next move, here is myself pardon, think it over for a year and get back to me if you are still alive!

Georgia Prosecutor gives MAJOR UPDATE on Trump TRIAL

Fulton County Georgia DA Fani Willis plans to start her criminal conspiracy and racketeering trial of Trump in early 2024 even if it doesn’t conclude until after the November election. Michael, Popok of Legal AF provides analysis as to the impact on Jack Smith’s March 2024, DC federal election case against Trump of the delays in the Georgia Trump trial, and whether that means that another criminal trial like the Stormy Daniels New York one slides into second position to be tried before the election.
 
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Chutkan denies Trump motion to strike Jan. 6 language from indictment
U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan denied a motion Friday by former President Trump to strike some language about Jan. 6 from the indictment in Special Counsel Jack Smith’s case related to attempts to overturn the 2020 election.

In a late October filing, Trump’s legal team argued certain portions of the indictment “include repeated references to the actions of independent actors at the Capitol on January 6, 2021” and “does not charge President Trump with responsibility for any of these actions,” so therefore, they are “not relevant” and “prejudicial and inflammatory.”

“Therefore, the Court should strike these allegations from the Indictment,” Trump’s team argued.
Smith pushed back on Trump’s argument of the portions being “prejudicial and inflammatory” in his own filing earlier this month.
“The allegations in the indictment are not unduly prejudicial or inflammatory,” Smith said in an early November filing. “In fact, evidence of the attack at the Capitol on January 6 is powerful and probative evidence of the defendant’s conduct, motive, and intent. The Court should deny the defendant’s motion.”

On Friday, Chutkan denied the former president’s motion to strike the portions from the indictment. In her ruling, she pushed back against the late October motion as well as another filing by Trump’s legal team in relation to his motion.
“Regardless of whether the allegations at issue are relevant, Defendant has not satisfied his burden to clearly show that they are prejudicial,” Chutkan said in her ruling.
 

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Activists take Trump 14th Amendment fight to Michigan Supreme Court
A liberal activist group appealed a Michigan court’s decision on Thursday to throw out their case attempting to bar former President Trump from the presidential ballot, taking the case to the state Supreme Court.
Free Speech for People sued the state of Michigan in September, arguing that Trump’s involvement with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots violates the 14th Amendment, which should bar him from being eligible for office.

A lower court threw out the suit last month, arguing that a 14th Amendment challenge is not valid in the primary stage of an election. The appeal requests “emergency application” to bypass the usual state Appeals Court and go straight to the Supreme Court, given the short time until state primary ballots are finalized.

The plaintiffs argued that the Appeals Court’s decision is unnecessary because of the inevitability of appeal to the highest court.
“It is a virtual certainty that any decision by the Court of Appeals will be appealed to this Court by the losing party,” the filing reads. “But with the pressing need to finalize and print the ballots, there is not time for considered decisions from both the Court of Appeals and this Court.”
The Michigan suit is one of three significant cases nationally hoping to use the 14th Amendment insurrection clause to ban Trump from state presidential ballots.

In all the cases, plaintiffs argue that Trump’s involvement with the Jan. 6 Capitol riots qualifies as falling under that clause, which was originally written to prevent those who supported the Confederacy from being elected president.
If state judges agree to remove Trump from any ballot, the case would likely rise to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Minnesota Supreme Court dismissed attempts to bar Trump early this month, and a state judge in Colorado is currently overseeing a trial over a similar attempt in that state. The Colorado case is expected to be decided in the coming days.
 

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If she gets it, his trial will be right in the middle of the election season. Donald will be a convicted felon, who is already sentenced and should be in federal custody by the time he appears on TV in Georgia, hopefully in an orange jumpsuit. When does equality under the law begin, even with a gilded cage?

That ensures corrupt Cannon pushing the Florida documents trial into '95. Oh, well.
 

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That ensures corrupt Cannon pushing the Florida documents trial into '95. Oh, well.
Maybe she wants out of the case but doesn't want to recuse, by the time she try's him he will be a federal convict. She will have to sentence him to a long stretch in prison, the magats will hate her guts and Trump will say nasty things, she will have no respect from patriots either.
 

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Judge denies Trump’s mistrial motion in NY fraud case
A New York judge has denied former President Trump’s motion for a mistrial in his civil fraud case, rejecting the claim that the judge and his principal law clerk had “tainted” the trial with bias.

Judge Arthur Engoron issued a scathing rebuke of Trump’s mistrial motion Friday afternoon, describing it as “utterly without merit.”

He defended the political donations of his clerk and his own extrajudicial posts online to a school alumni website that came under fire by the former president’s defense.

“I stand by each and every ruling, and they speak for themselves,” Engoron wrote in the six-page decision.

The judge accused Trump’s counsel of cherry-picking purported evidence of misconduct without showing the full picture. The mistrial motion cited a comment made by Engoron during Trump’s testimony that the judge was “not here to hear what [Donald Trump] has to say,” but excluded his next sentence which contextualized the comment.

“Such argument is disingenuous and made in bad faith, as defendants omitted what I said immediately after that sentence, which is ‘I’m here to hear him answer questions,'” Engoron wrote. “Indeed, those are precisely the roles of the witness and the finder of fact.”

That the judge had shared links about the case on his school alumni website also drew the ire of Trump’s counsel, which Engoron objected to by asserting that “none of this has anything to do with, much less does it interfere with, my presiding fairly, impartially, and professionally over the instant dispute.”

His clerk — who has become an unwitting main character in the fraud trial — was also targeted in the mistrial motion, which suggested that she has been given “unprecedented and inappropriate latitude” to act as a “co-judge” in the case. The clerk frequently confers with Engoron via whispers and written notes, frequently before orders are issued.

“There is absolutely no ‘co-judging’ at play,” Engoron wrote.

Trump’s counsel also accused the clerk of making “partisan political contributions in excess of strict limits,” including to groups that oppose Trump and support New York Attorney General Letitia James (D).

Engoron took to his clerk’s defense in his order, again accusing Trump’s lawyers of presenting arguments lacking context. He cited a judicial ethics opinion asserting that the contribution limits do “not apply to an appointee’s contributions to his or her own campaign. Nor would there be such a monetary restriction on the purchasing of tickets to political functions.”

The New York judge also took aim at Trump’s counsel for attempting to conflate his clerk’s attendance at “legally and ethically permitted” political events with his own political standing.

“Such arguments are nonsensical; and, in any event, they are a red herring, as my Principal Law Clerk does not make rulings or issue orders – I do,” Engoron wrote.
 
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