Hamas offensive against Israel

BudmanTX

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BudmanTX

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Looks like IRAN had they're hand in this for about 4yrs, how come the intel community didn't see this.....smh

 

k0rps

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Looks like IRAN had they're hand in this for about 4yrs, how come the intel community didn't see this.....smh

Recent Hamas video released Sept 12th showing them practicing tactics they used on Oct 7th.

Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach
Less than a month before Hamas fighters blew through Israel's high-tech "Iron Wall" and launched an attack that would leave more than 1,200 Israelis dead, they practiced in a very public dress rehearsal. (Oct. 13)
 

BudmanTX

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Recent Hamas video released Sept 12th showing them practicing tactics they used on Oct 7th.

Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting video of mock attack weeks before border breach
Less than a month before Hamas fighters blew through Israel's high-tech "Iron Wall" and launched an attack that would leave more than 1,200 Israelis dead, they practiced in a very public dress rehearsal. (Oct. 13)
from the post i posted from MEMERI, they were training for 4yrs, they even had a mock city, mock tank, Iran was delievering arms to them....they've been planning this for a while. They trainers were russian btw
 

k0rps

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I sympathize with the Palestinians, but not so much for the Israelites and their government.

Who made that butcher Netanyahu the longest serving PM in Israels history?

A man know for his vitriol against Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular.

In his time in office he has doubled the Jewish population in the West Bank/Area C in spite of the US requesting not to do so and in violation of international law.

And how many peace conferance did he oversee in his 12 fucking years?

One, and at that one he said he would slow/stop settlement building..

And he lied.

He annexed the Golan Heights, another contested area and had Trump move the US Embassy to Jerusalem on a whim, and he got it.

Nope, anyone that elected that piece of garbage time and time again warrants no sympathy from me.

The only one that gains my sympathy in this war are the Palestinians,

They deserve it.

This must be watched.

Agree with must of your points. But Israel also has innocent people placed on the line... At the same time, they are "okay" living in the Apartheid State of Israel.. double edged sword.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like IRAN had they're hand in this for about 4yrs, how come the intel community didn't see this.....smh

Israel will try to be selective in its retribution and the guy in Doha has a target on him. If Iran is involved, I dunno how motivated Joe will be to stay the Israeli hand smiting Iran, I think at this point his goal is humanitarian. He's trying to prevent war as a result of a humanitarian catastrophe, he is doing the opposite of HAMAS whose goal is to kill as many Palestinians as they can, as well as Israelis, either works for them. More dead Palestinians means more funding for the HAMAS leadership from rich Arab oil states, maybe even a raise in pay!
 

k0rps

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from the post i posted from MEMERI, they were training for 4yrs, they even had a mock city, mock tank, Iran was delievering arms to them....they've been planning this for a while. They trainers were russian btw
Yeah.. that's a trip. Among the mercenaries the US military hires for specialized training, the IDF is a major one
 

BudmanTX

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Israel will try to be selective in its retribution and the guy in Doha has a target on him. If Iran is involved, I dunno how motivated Joe will be to stay the Israeli hand smiting Iran, I think at this point his goal is humanitarian. He's trying to prevent war as a result of a humanitarian catastrophe, he is doing the opposite of HAMAS whose goal is to kill as many Palestinians as they can, as well as Israelis, either works for them. More dead Palestinians means more funding for the HAMAS leadership from rich Arab oil states, maybe even a raise in pay!
to the bold "IF", come on now, they are more embolden in this than you know
 

DIY-HP-LED

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to the bold "IF", come on now, they are more embolden in this than you know
There are degrees of Hell, as there are degrees of guilt, we will see, we both know what will happen in a general way IF they believe them responsible. Joe is there more for the Palestinians in Gaza and peace around Israel's borders than he is to try and stop Israel from taking retribution on Iran for the attack.
 

printer

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There are degrees of Hell, as there are degrees of guilt, we will see, we both know what will happen in a general way IF they believe them responsible. Joe is there more for the Palestinians in Gaza and peace around Israel's borders than he is to try and stop Israel from taking retribution on Iran for the attack.
A lot of Joe love latly without proof. But hey, this is the internet.
 

BudmanTX

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There are degrees of Hell, as there are degrees of guilt, we will see, we both know what will happen in a general way IF they believe them responsible. Joe is there more for the Palestinians in Gaza and peace around Israel's borders than he is to try and stop Israel from taking retribution on Iran for the attack.
there is a eventuality that IRAN and Isreal are gonna clash at some point. Right now...IRAN is using they're proxie HAMAS, Hezbollah surprising has taken a back seat to this, even though i have read of some skirmishes along the northern border.

Pay attention to that site it will give you a good portion of info on the other side of this coin. I have been doing research on the other side of the coin something called "The congress of Zion" or at least that's the last name i have found, it may have morphed into a new congress of sorts. Remember i've done a lot of research with this goin all the way back to WW2, and how this whole thing morphed into the 20th century......
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A lot of Joe love latly without proof. But hey, this is the internet.
His motives for the trip appear to be humanitarian at this point. I like Joe for the same reason I like Jimmy Carter, they are decent men who have values and Joe is the embodiment of a liberal democratic politician and leader. I'm kinda a fan of liberal democracy and happen to think Joe is one of the better US presidents, from a humanitarian POV and as a very capable and clean politician. He's old, but I'm no spring chicken either, he's healthy and sharp as a tack as far as I can see.
 

k0rps

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Just saw this..

Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch? | Bird's Eye View
An Al Jazeera digital investigation found no grounds to the Israeli army claim that the strike on the al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed rocket launch.


Video shares an in-depth analysis of their recorded footage that evening.


Mr Biden said he trusted US intelligence, before adding: “And, look – and I’m not suggesting that Hamas deliberately did it, either – it’s that old thing: You’ve got to learn how to shoot straight.”

Hamas was well known for misfiring its rockets, Mr Biden said.

“It’s not the first time Hamas has launched something that didn’t function very well.”

On Wednesday, Mr Biden said that US intelligence suggested the explosion appeared to have been caused “by the other team” as he spoke alongside Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, during a visit to Israel.

 
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Fogdog

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I read that article and couldn't help but wonder how he managed to stick it out for 8 years under Trump. If one were to judge by to which president did the most favors to Israel at the expense of the Palestinians who live there, which president did the most to help Netanyahu entrench his fascist government in power in Israel, which president did the most to harm the Palestinian cause among the major powers in the Middle Ease, I'd say it was Trump every day and all day. So, this guy speaks out now and quits in a high dudgeon. The lady, methinks, doth protest too much.

I think you are jumping to a conclusion based upon rhetoric and not deeds. Facts matter and truth matters. The truth is, Hamas launched an attack on Israel that reportedly killed 1400 civilians. They chose to do this. Hamas uses the civilian population of Gaza to shield them from Israel's attacks. This is truth and we can't ignore the choices they made. They declared war on Israel and then hid behind women and children. Israel is committing war crimes by bombing civilian targets. Hamas is committing war crimes by using civilians as shields. I think Israel should rethink its strategy and find a different way but in this case, the "both sides bad" argument is true. I am struggling with my own disgust at both sides. Should we just wash our hands of the whole matter and let them kill each other? I'd rather we find a better path. In this kind of situation, I feel that the path that ends with the least harm to civilians, short term and long term is the one that the US should seek. I hope you agree. Take your sense of outrage out of it. What is the path forward that would meet that goal?

If the US disengaged with Israel right now and did not promise additional aid to Israel, what good would that accomplish? Instead, the US has promised additional military aid to Israel and remains an ally of Israel. Assuming this war does not drag out, the arms the Biden promised will not be used to take lives in Gaza, so, where is the harm in that? I suggest the benefit is that it provides a reason for Netanyahu to listen to Biden when he advises Israel to not make the same mistakes the US made after 9/11. That is a powerful message, both politically and in reality. Especially when the person who says that is a benefactor. On the other side, the US is actively negotiating with all major stakeholders to get the water turned back on in Gaza, to get humanitarian aid to Gaza and to save as many lives as possible. All of that requires cooperation by Israel. As horrible as that sounds.
 
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k0rps

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UN: Gaza aid ‘in next day or so’, situation ‘beyond catastrophic’
Trucks of international aid for Gaza should be rolling “in the next day or so”, the United Nations says, with Palestinians desperate for life-saving supplies after relentless Israel bombing.

Some 175 lorries crammed with vital medicine, food, and water stretched into the distance at the Rafah crossing with Egypt, which has removed concrete roadblocks and is scrambling to repair the route into besieged Gaza – the only one not controlled by Israel.

A spokesperson for UN humanitarian chief Martin Griffiths told reporters in Geneva the first delivery is expected “in the next day or so”.
World Health Organization emergencies director Michael Ryan said the 20-truck deal was “a drop in the ocean of need” and 2,000 trucks were required.

The UN says more than one million of Gaza’s 2.3 million people are displaced with the humanitarian situation “beyond catastrophic” and deteriorating daily.

Egypt’s foreign ministry slams Western media
The spokesperson for Egypt’s foreign ministry slams Western media for targeting Egypt and accusing them of the closure of the Rafah crossing despite targeted Israeli attacks.

On X, Ahmed Abu Zeid said, “Targeting Egypt in Western media is clear in the current crisis! Promoting displacement scenario, holding Egypt responsible for the Crossing closure despite Israel’s targeted attacks & refusal of aid entry & recently insinuating Egyptian responsibility for obstructing third-country nationals exit”.

He added that the Rafah crossing was open and that the Cairo peace summit on Saturday was a way to change the course of the conflict.
 

k0rps

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EU parliamentarians' call for a humanitarian pause is nothing but a timid gesture
20 Oct 2023
Today, Members of the European Parliament called for a humanitarian pause in the resolution they adopted on the events in Gaza. In response, Vittorio Infante, Oxfam EU conflict expert said:

"This is a timid gesture. While any window to bring in aid to Gaza safely should be seized at this catastrophic stage, this is not the real answer. We need a full ceasefire by all parties, and an end to the siege of Gaza. This is the only way to get enough humanitarian aid and life-saving assistance to civilians there."

Notes to editors
Oxfam experts are available for comment.
Read Oxfam’s letter to Members of the European Parliament calling for them to stand on the right side of history.

Over 200 organizations, including Oxfam have signed an open letter calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza to stop this humanitarian disaster and further loss of innocent lives.
Oxfam has provided relief services during various global crises, including the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, North Korean famine, 2011 East Africa drought, 2012 Sahel drought, Nepal earthquake, and Yemeni crisis. The Bosfam NGO was also founded in May 1995 by women participating in an Oxfam GB psychosocial 'radionice' project to support internally displaced women during the Bosnian war. Oxfam has become a globally recognized leader in providing water sanitation to impoverished and war-torn areas the world over. In 2012, Oxfam became one of the humanitarian groups that comprise the UK's Rapid Response Facility to ensure clean water in the wake of humanitarian disasters.
 

printer

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Just saw this..

Was the Gaza hospital attack caused by a failed rocket launch? | Bird's Eye View
An Al Jazeera digital investigation found no grounds to the Israeli army claim that the strike on the al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed rocket launch.


Video shares an in-depth analysis of their recorded footage that evening.



Why would Israel send a puny little rocket with a warhead that can only damage a handful of cars in the lot? But then again, I outlined why I thought it was a misfire.
 
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