Sometimes, depending on how much coco peat (coco dust) your coco has, feeding everyday during the first couple of weeks can cause the seedling roots to not get enough oxygen, so look out for over-watering symptoms. If your coco was prepared with fluffy fibers (filter out the coco peat dust when preparing the coco), this doesn't happen and you can keep your coco 90%+ saturated during the seedling stage.
Seedling Feeds
- Thread starter wdt258
- Start date
Sometimes, depending on how much coco peat (coco dust) your coco has, feeding everyday during the first couple of weeks can cause the seedling roots to not get enough oxygen, so look out for over-watering symptoms. If your coco was prepared with fluffy fibers (filter out the coco peat dust when preparing the coco), this doesn't happen and you can keep your coco 90%+ saturated during the seedling stage.
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
Yea I tried dirt and coco and have to say, coco was fast to figure out and have fun and if I did have issues they were easy to fix. Not had to return to plant problems section. But with dirt, I just tried it again and it is not that easy.
Large resivoirs are good for minimizing having to re prep solution so frequently and hand feed. I have a routine figured out so rinsing and buffering coco is pretty fast and easy.
Large resivoirs are good for minimizing having to re prep solution so frequently and hand feed. I have a routine figured out so rinsing and buffering coco is pretty fast and easy.
Bose
Well-Known Member
My own experience i think soil was a bit easier to grow in while reading and learning all I needed to about growing before moving on to coco. Alot of new growers have limited knowledge on growing plants. Ph, ppm, ec cal mag exct.
No sure why its tips are yellowing but plants looking a little hags right now lol
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
Which one? You got photos of it? What are you feeding it?
Just one seedling, the feed was 1 EC GH flora micro and flora bloom 6 | 9 formula 500 ppms like ive used before. Fuck wish this wasnt messsing up lol, so much work. Yeah burnt tips canoeing now etc.
Light cuts on at around 9est, I planned on feeding and taking the dome off. The lights been raised slightly just super concerned on what is goin on with it.
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
It doesnt look too bad. I would use gro too, I havent experimented with taking one or two of the trio out of the solution. It should do better without the dome so it can breathe. Like I said, you could transplant that into a gallon already and it will be happier.
It could be from the practices from the beginning if you used plain water and allowed dry back dry enough. Partly why I do what I do but it doesn’t look bad. Heres mine since I last showed the plant last time.
It could benefit from growth spurt being an auto if you up pot early, like mine clearly is right now. Transplanted like few days ago.
Attachments
Whats up yall, a little update
on where I'm at. I transplanted on Tuesday, the plant is already perkin back up now. Its pretty yellow and the leaves have worn tips, but its in the final pot and the roots can move as they please now. I have good drainage and fluffy, saturated coco.
I am using 1EC, half of the 6 9 formula right now and PowerSi. The plant hasn't fallen over yet lol, RH is staying right at 60 to 65.
Its about Day 12, feeding every other day right now but towards the weekend I'm looking at full strength 6 9.
Thanks for the help, any feedback is appreciated.
Godspeed growing SPEARS
on where I'm at. I transplanted on Tuesday, the plant is already perkin back up now. Its pretty yellow and the leaves have worn tips, but its in the final pot and the roots can move as they please now. I have good drainage and fluffy, saturated coco.
I am using 1EC, half of the 6 9 formula right now and PowerSi. The plant hasn't fallen over yet lol, RH is staying right at 60 to 65.
Its about Day 12, feeding every other day right now but towards the weekend I'm looking at full strength 6 9.
Thanks for the help, any feedback is appreciated.
Godspeed growing SPEARS
Attachments
Hey Medi, thank you for the help thus far.
Here is my seedling Day 14 maybe.
I am not watering every day right now after transplant because it hasn't dried back as quickly. Hoping it will continue, feeding tonight 1EC half 6 | 9 formula.
I have a gentle breeze circulating the spot, temps around 75 and rh is like 65 60ish.
Any ideas if i look like its behind or on schedule? My sense of time is warped. Just want to make sure I'm not way off track.
Thanks again
Here is my seedling Day 14 maybe.
I am not watering every day right now after transplant because it hasn't dried back as quickly. Hoping it will continue, feeding tonight 1EC half 6 | 9 formula.
I have a gentle breeze circulating the spot, temps around 75 and rh is like 65 60ish.
Any ideas if i look like its behind or on schedule? My sense of time is warped. Just want to make sure I'm not way off track.
Thanks again
Attachments
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
I mean for 4 days post transplant it could yet growth spurt any time now but 1 gallon isnt that huge so it may not get as big as mine did but should still show some kind of growth spurt but not always. Some beans grow slow and autos being finicky some times just being a dwarf.
That is part of why I do photoperiods now. I still do autos but for a small tent. Looks like you have some other issues though. From dry back? Ph off? Is coco buffered? Are you adding calmag? Lock out with your prepared solution? Is a fan blowing right at it or no fan causing heat issues from light close by? More info on that would help. I cannot help much, I only been growing couple years.
Why do I get perfect veg every time, idk. It aint hard to keep green as the plant doesnt use all nutes like it does in flower which will show. I feed daily, ph’ed solution to drift between 5.8 to 6.2. Curious what is going on with your plant, could be adjusting from dome to no dome with breeze on it. Been a while since I had issues in veg in coco. Heres my plant, 2.5 weeks old.
Attachments
Gotcha, understood man thank you.
The answers to your questions are the following:
Dryback is slow, takes 2 days right now but i dont want to kill it with saturation. Ph is always 5.8 5.9 I use a Dr. Meter I'm trusting of. Coco was buffered with 5.8 PH tap water till it was loose enough to pot. 6 | 9 formula has enough cal and mag to get it through I just haven't started full strength yet. Possible could be lockout nut again inflow has only been 1EC. Not sure how'd I notice or deal with that with somethin so infant.
I've made a point to have the fan blowing not directly on it but a light vortex motion with the wind around the pot, very light.
I agree with you on the goin from dome to no dome and having added wind probably caused those tips to wilt.
Your plant is fuckin crushing it damn, pretty work so far.
The answers to your questions are the following:
Dryback is slow, takes 2 days right now but i dont want to kill it with saturation. Ph is always 5.8 5.9 I use a Dr. Meter I'm trusting of. Coco was buffered with 5.8 PH tap water till it was loose enough to pot. 6 | 9 formula has enough cal and mag to get it through I just haven't started full strength yet. Possible could be lockout nut again inflow has only been 1EC. Not sure how'd I notice or deal with that with somethin so infant.
I've made a point to have the fan blowing not directly on it but a light vortex motion with the wind around the pot, very light.
I agree with you on the goin from dome to no dome and having added wind probably caused those tips to wilt.
Your plant is fuckin crushing it damn, pretty work so far.
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
Thanks, yea I do not see why anyone cant get the same growth other than mentioned. I get this everytime so far. Yea I would feed at least once a day even if it is still wet, it will dryback eventually. You cannot over water coco so I wouldnt worry about that even if it is 100% coco no pearlite.
Upon second look it don’t look bad, maybe more enviorment related. If it turns yellow and dies out I would ask about it.
cannabisweedPotNerd
Well-Known Member
Don't give nutes yet keep Coco always moist
Medi...reading back now I i think this was or is my problem! That dryback is not good enough with the coco ive used, too much time sittin damp but its still growing nonetheless. I need to make sure my coco is proper next time (probably adding perlite tbh) and I think ill crush it. This is today around 23ish days from breaking to a sprout.
Im hittin it with Recharge with PHd water after this light cycle then will continue h3ads 6 | 9 formula.
Thanks
Found out my issue here. Hagged myself, too much coco dust. I went cheaper on baled coco and was rippin monstars with botanicare cocogro. Very stupid move and wasted time but guess its all a learning process.
Thanks lads
Attachments
medidedicated
Well-Known Member
Heres an auto in one gallon, 24 days old for comparison. It is close to mine but the lack of side branching says it could be happier. I guess what ever I saw last time progressed a little. Pale looking and something causing the tips to curl and die off before it can make use of the leaf.
I would update how it looks in a few weeks or so and if it is continueing to yellow out and curl up/die like that then maybe someone here can help.
If I had to guess, the nutes could be upped to 1.0 EC and water daily, no recharge if you mean growers recharge. That is like mycelium, for dirt, not for coco. No microbes needed. The salts are readily available to absorb by plants unlike dirt.
My guess also is heat stress. I use cheap coco but I rinse and buffer it but honestly I think it isn’t mandatory. I just do it for best results and easier to diagnose what is wrong. I do not think that is the issue. It looks deprived of nutes.
Someone that is better able to diagnose and solve plant problems can help better, some times it takes time for them to see your thread and answer to it.
I would update how it looks in a few weeks or so and if it is continueing to yellow out and curl up/die like that then maybe someone here can help.
If I had to guess, the nutes could be upped to 1.0 EC and water daily, no recharge if you mean growers recharge. That is like mycelium, for dirt, not for coco. No microbes needed. The salts are readily available to absorb by plants unlike dirt.
My guess also is heat stress. I use cheap coco but I rinse and buffer it but honestly I think it isn’t mandatory. I just do it for best results and easier to diagnose what is wrong. I do not think that is the issue. It looks deprived of nutes.
Someone that is better able to diagnose and solve plant problems can help better, some times it takes time for them to see your thread and answer to it.
Attachments
Thanks dude, understood. By looks, feel and saturation I firmly believe the coco has been the issue, too fine like watering sand in bucket.... My plant wanted to take off but hasn't been about to. If I did exactly what I did at first 2 years using the right coco I honestly wouldn't have much of a problem.
Lil environmental damage as well as stated
Rebounding: my runoff EC is fine, waiting till it dries back then will probably repot with correct coco into a 1 gallon.
Thank y'all for taking the time, what a learning process lol
Why are you not giving it nutes? In coco, every single time you hit it with water you give it nutes. What EC are you feeding at right now?
Also, even if you use coco that is the consistency of coffee grounds, its root structure will develop enough to handle multiple feedings per day; it's just that in the first week or two you need to be mindful of the watering because of its compaction; that is, start off feeding once per day and change if a particular plant says so.
I grow in 1 gallon pots of straight coco. While my results with coco/perlite were slightly better in veg, it was not enough to deal with prepping perlite (always use an N95 mask when handling dry perlite).
Finally, high-fertigation coco is a form of hydroponics because the substrate stays wet at all times and the plant interacts with the nutrients you give it directly. Due to this, one is more susceptible to pythium, so most people use H2O2 or a microbial to prevent root rot.
Take an EC reading and see how high the salt content is of cheap brick coco. It is mandatory to rinse. Coco holds onto calcium. If you don't feed it before you set it up with plants, it will be stealing the Ca that you're giving to the plant.
Thanks dude, feeding 1EC and yes Im giving it nutes. I used loose coco by Botanicare a year ago and it worked well, I didn't do anything to it but maybe add PH'd water to it. The pot stays heavy, the combination of slow dryback and probably environment temp too low has it stunted.
Ok appreciate it, ill look up and follow up later on how to test the EC of the brick and how to properly wash it
A lot of people like Cana, but I don't like the texture. Lots of dust/pith and half of it goes right through my colander. I had a lot of pith in one solo cup and didn't like it. It seemed to hold too much water, compact, and then form cracks if I handled the cup. Not good for delicate new roots.
I used Botanicare bricks when I started and really liked the texture, but it seems hard to find. Don't know if this is really Botanacare, but I think I'll buy one to check it out. Apparently the guy buys loose Botanacare in bulk and presses bricks. 11 Lbs. for $30 with free shipping.
ORGANIC COCOGRO soilless gardening organicare coco coir botanicare 5 kg / 11 LB | eBay
Also knows as: Coco Coir/ Coco peat / Coco Husk Fiber / Coconut coir / Coconut fiber / coco coir peat. Coconut Coir is the 'coir fiber pith' or 'coir dust' produced as a bi-product when coconut husks are processed for the extraction of the long fibers from the husk.
www.ebay.com
Loose Botanacare, 3.5 cubic ft for $80.
TWO PACK Botanicare Cocogro Loose 1.75 cu ft bags | eBay
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for TWO PACK Botanicare Cocogro Loose 1.75 cu ft bags at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
www.ebay.com
