cobshopgrow
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there is a lot to read about this topic, while its pretty straight forward often and good tutorials are everywhere.
Automation - DC current measuring device
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cobshopgrow
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btw i bite the bullet and bought a 5 in 1 controller tuya zigbee wifi smart led dimmer.
it will prob fix the dimming "issues" we have with our meanwell drivers.
bought a 3-24v powersupply too and plan to set it to 10V, rest is halfway self explaining.
meanwell dim circuit is protected by a 75K resistor, so there is no fear to connect a 10V 3A power supply directly.
will test, not much specs givn on this device.
bought on ama, as i wanted it quick, its almost half the price on ali.
it will prob fix the dimming "issues" we have with our meanwell drivers.
bought a 3-24v powersupply too and plan to set it to 10V, rest is halfway self explaining.
meanwell dim circuit is protected by a 75K resistor, so there is no fear to connect a 10V 3A power supply directly.
will test, not much specs givn on this device.
bought on ama, as i wanted it quick, its almost half the price on ali.
Rocket Soul
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Does that mean it dims 5 different drivers?
cobshopgrow
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if it works, yes.
Rocket Soul
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Please let me know how it goes as this could be real usefull although all of these 5 in 1 ive seen seems to have its own power supply integrated.
On the other side i think i just figured out another part of my automation puzzle: how to "flipp flopp" between the dehuey working (with low dim on main light) to full intensity on main lights: thus getting the total setup closer to our max amps. Only need to hear back on one last detail from quest in order to avoid having to switch on and off from the quest mains...
cobshopgrow
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i got the 5in1 dimmer as the power supply.
so far its plug n play, there where even a fiting plug included with the power supply.
the unit bound to my HA without problems.
on the software side, there are not simply 5 sliders avaiable.
if you want see the details, thats whats avaiable.
i will prob. edit the
github.com
to my needs and use the "rgbww_color " value to use
"A list containing five integers between 0 and 255 representing the RGBWW color you want the light to be. "
i will make me some card with presets based on the RGB light Card.
my problem, i need to get some connectors which i use on my dim wires of the meanwells before i can test any dimming.
i could have simply cut the wires, but then i cant use my old potentiometer dimmers anymore.
am halfway postive that it will work and give quite some dim channels for a small price.
the 10V zigbee dimmer java found should work in anyway, and wont need a modifed card, but its just one channel and every unit needs main power connected.
in regard of your power managment problem.
i would say HA is perfect to manage stuff like this.
basically if you have your dehuey on a smart plug with power measurement, like nous etc.
HA will know the power used by it then, so you can easily make a rule like dehuey over 400W draw, set lights to 50% or similar.
so far its plug n play, there where even a fiting plug included with the power supply.
the unit bound to my HA without problems.
on the software side, there are not simply 5 sliders avaiable.
if you want see the details, thats whats avaiable.
GitHub - bokub/rgb-light-card: A Home Assistant card for RGB lights
A Home Assistant card for RGB lights. Contribute to bokub/rgb-light-card development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
"A list containing five integers between 0 and 255 representing the RGBWW color you want the light to be. "
i will make me some card with presets based on the RGB light Card.
my problem, i need to get some connectors which i use on my dim wires of the meanwells before i can test any dimming.
i could have simply cut the wires, but then i cant use my old potentiometer dimmers anymore.
am halfway postive that it will work and give quite some dim channels for a small price.
the 10V zigbee dimmer java found should work in anyway, and wont need a modifed card, but its just one channel and every unit needs main power connected.
in regard of your power managment problem.
i would say HA is perfect to manage stuff like this.
basically if you have your dehuey on a smart plug with power measurement, like nous etc.
HA will know the power used by it then, so you can easily make a rule like dehuey over 400W draw, set lights to 50% or similar.
cobshopgrow
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...ok made some quick tests and connected one channels by some bare wires to a meanwell 60W hlg have a red channel on, no joy.
need to scope the signal to say anymore.
so for meanwells these special made 0-10v dimmers are prob the better choice, going to order some myself.
back to you initial problem with strips on channels you want to control.
i mean, of course strips work irectly driven, and these cheapo powersupplies can be set to the desired voltage, basically like a meanwell cv driver.
so there would be prob nothing holding you back connecting your strips to one of this dimmers, set the voltage you want and then dim over them over HA.
you would nee to have the strips as close matched as possible, but you can prob finetune them by the color channels dim/pwm setting.
its, well, of course quite similar to what every stupid led strip does out there, just without the current limiting resistors cause you can limit with the voltage knob on your driver (like you do on meanwell cv).
not the most elegant way, only ticking a very few of your boxes, but its a dirt cheap solution.
some very small worst case current limiting resistors are a idea maybe.
ledcalculator.net
need to scope the signal to say anymore.
so for meanwells these special made 0-10v dimmers are prob the better choice, going to order some myself.
back to you initial problem with strips on channels you want to control.
i mean, of course strips work irectly driven, and these cheapo powersupplies can be set to the desired voltage, basically like a meanwell cv driver.
so there would be prob nothing holding you back connecting your strips to one of this dimmers, set the voltage you want and then dim over them over HA.
you would nee to have the strips as close matched as possible, but you can prob finetune them by the color channels dim/pwm setting.
its, well, of course quite similar to what every stupid led strip does out there, just without the current limiting resistors cause you can limit with the voltage knob on your driver (like you do on meanwell cv).
not the most elegant way, only ticking a very few of your boxes, but its a dirt cheap solution.
some very small worst case current limiting resistors are a idea maybe.
LED Calculator - Current limiting resistor calculator for LED arrays
This LED calculator will help you calculate the resistor values you will need when designing a series/parallel LED array circuit.
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cobshopgrow
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Testsetup
Rocket Soul
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Im trying to avoid putting the dehuey on a smartplug; since we are hard up against the amp limit in all this im hoping to keep the dehuey on all the time while triggering it externally. Im waiting for reply from quest but i think its as easy as breaking/opening a circuit on a shelly relay by either humidity sensor or manually, and on the same time triggering another relay that opens a circuit on a dimmer for led drivers. So when evenever the quest circuit is closed and quest is off, the dimmer circuit off, which would mean max power. And then a dimmer on the led circuit to set the low point when the dehuey is running.i got the 5in1 dimmer as the power supply.
so far its plug n play, there where even a fiting plug included with the power supply.
the unit bound to my HA without problems.
on the software side, there are not simply 5 sliders avaiable.
if you want see the details, thats whats avaiable.
i will prob. edit the
to my needs and use the "rgbww_color " value to useGitHub - bokub/rgb-light-card: A Home Assistant card for RGB lights
A Home Assistant card for RGB lights. Contribute to bokub/rgb-light-card development by creating an account on GitHub.
"A list containing five integers between 0 and 255 representing the RGBWW color you want the light to be. "
i will make me some card with presets based on the RGB light Card.
my problem, i need to get some connectors which i use on my dim wires of the meanwells before i can test any dimming.
i could have simply cut the wires, but then i cant use my old potentiometer dimmers anymore.
am halfway postive that it will work and give quite some dim channels for a small price.
the 10V zigbee dimmer java found should work in anyway, and wont need a modifed card, but its just one channel and every unit needs main power connected.
in regard of your power managment problem.
i would say HA is perfect to manage stuff like this.
basically if you have your dehuey on a smart plug with power measurement, like nous etc.
HA will know the power used by it then, so you can easily make a rule like dehuey over 400W draw, set lights to 50% or similar.
But need to hear back from quest cause im not sure this is the way it should work, having some derp moments
cobshopgrow
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the smart plug would be usefull to you as it also gives you the current wattage used by the dehuey, so you see its running and theyre the easiest to use relays too for everything with a plug.
is the quest the dehumidifier?
if your quest is hardwired its prob better to use a hardwired relay then.
shelly is for sure fine if you like it, i would simply go for zigbee relays.
so it sounds your dehuey is turning on properly after power on and have no integrated hygrometer? on/off by power, lets hope they tell you what you need to know.
you can use every value you have as trigger.
-humidity ,yes, zigbee temp humidity
-wattage, yes, over smartplug/relay
-power level light, yes /over your dimmer setting and/or smartplug/realy
-time
thought your problem is that you cant run max power on your leds when the dehumidfier is running?
idea was put the dehumdidifer on a smart plug to monitor its power in first, above/below a certain level you take other actions like dimming etc.
the power level comes in quite handy, f.e. if my tvs powerdraw is above a certain level (over standby current) my sound system switches on.
before a montion sensor had detected i am in the room and set my tv in to standby, when there is no montion detected for 20min my tv set is switches off completly.
i use 2 smartplugs and one motion sensor for this.
saves me 50w standby in total, ROI of the stuff is just a few months.
tldr: monitor wattage to see when a device really runs even if its powered all the time and set triggers accordingly for other devices.
is the quest the dehumidifier?
if your quest is hardwired its prob better to use a hardwired relay then.
shelly is for sure fine if you like it, i would simply go for zigbee relays.
so it sounds your dehuey is turning on properly after power on and have no integrated hygrometer? on/off by power, lets hope they tell you what you need to know.
you can use every value you have as trigger.
-humidity ,yes, zigbee temp humidity
-wattage, yes, over smartplug/relay
-power level light, yes /over your dimmer setting and/or smartplug/realy
-time
thought your problem is that you cant run max power on your leds when the dehumidfier is running?
idea was put the dehumdidifer on a smart plug to monitor its power in first, above/below a certain level you take other actions like dimming etc.
the power level comes in quite handy, f.e. if my tvs powerdraw is above a certain level (over standby current) my sound system switches on.
before a montion sensor had detected i am in the room and set my tv in to standby, when there is no montion detected for 20min my tv set is switches off completly.
i use 2 smartplugs and one motion sensor for this.
saves me 50w standby in total, ROI of the stuff is just a few months.
tldr: monitor wattage to see when a device really runs even if its powered all the time and set triggers accordingly for other devices.
cobshopgrow
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for the 5ch dimmer, i fear the low side switching is problematic.
Tuya Smart Zigbee 3.0 0-10V 1-10V
thats one looks better suited, 1ch just of course.
..bought me one of these from china for 16 bucks.
price is ok, but it sums up for a lot channels.
may really need to build my own device there with propper high side switching and no need for some main power wiring.
Tuya Smart Zigbee 3.0 0-10V 1-10V
thats one looks better suited, 1ch just of course.
..bought me one of these from china for 16 bucks.
price is ok, but it sums up for a lot channels.
may really need to build my own device there with propper high side switching and no need for some main power wiring.
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Rocket Soul
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The quest is a dehuey, its got internal control by humidity sensor but i want to bypass this with external control/humidity sensor; that way i could have the dehuey start running when the rh gets to high, and in the same time trigger another relay that is put on the dimmer circuit of my drivers. Once both activate the dimmer circuit should be closed so that the actual dimmer control, which i set low, gets control over the dimmer.
When the rh is low both circuits are closed; dehuey wont run and the dimmer circuit isnt closed any more so the dimmer gets disconnected: full power on the lights.
I know what you mean re a smartplug; but this is exactly what i want to avoid; turning the dehuey on and off completely; it wont last long if you use it this way. Theres also i rush current which may be more an issue than normal since we would be up tight against the amp limit.
cobshopgrow
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i ment youre using the smartplug or relay to monitor the power of the quest, you can leave it switched on for this.
youre mislead by the term "smartplug", they offer you also constant power measurement.
so when your quest got triggered by your external sensor or internal, your HA will know that it draws a lot power, is working, and can set your dimmer accordingly, easier setup and same effect.
i think you mean to connect our conventional f.e. potentiometer dimmers by a realy? good idea, that can work, but these small zigbee 0-10v dimmers would be a cleaner setup, instead of connecting disoconnecting the dimmer you set the percentage you need.
the inrush current is prob the highest when the motor of your compressor in the dehuey really starts working btw.
youre mislead by the term "smartplug", they offer you also constant power measurement.
so when your quest got triggered by your external sensor or internal, your HA will know that it draws a lot power, is working, and can set your dimmer accordingly, easier setup and same effect.
i think you mean to connect our conventional f.e. potentiometer dimmers by a realy? good idea, that can work, but these small zigbee 0-10v dimmers would be a cleaner setup, instead of connecting disoconnecting the dimmer you set the percentage you need.
the inrush current is prob the highest when the motor of your compressor in the dehuey really starts working btw.
Rocket Soul
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MidnightSun72
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Are you using seperate drivers for the diff colour channels? If so you can use
if you use an environmental controller like Trolmaster you can definitely set this up when you hit certain temps dim this and turn that one. They have relays for that.Im trying to avoid putting the dehuey on a smartplug; since we are hard up against the amp limit in all this im hoping to keep the dehuey on all the time while triggering it externally. Im waiting for reply from quest but i think its as easy as breaking/opening a circuit on a shelly relay by either humidity sensor or manually, and on the same time triggering another relay that opens a circuit on a dimmer for led drivers. So when evenever the quest circuit is closed and quest is off, the dimmer circuit off, which would mean max power. And then a dimmer on the led circuit to set the low point when the dehuey is running.
But need to hear back from quest cause im not sure this is the way it should work, having some derp moments
MidnightSun72
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Also if you use a pulse pro grow room monitor you can also monitor and trigger random relays based on the values it outputs if you are savvy for home assistant setups.
cobshopgrow
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it would be covered well by standard features, no need to write fancy configs.
so, your quest have its humidity meter, nothing to setup.
smart realy or plug zigbee with power monitoring,
0-10v zigbee dimmer/s
a sonoff zigbee 3.0 usb stick youll need to plug in to your HA
that would be basically be the hardware needed beside a HA installation.
on the software side, the sonoff sitck is recognized and configured automatically
the devices configure themself also automatically, need a button press in HA, discover devices.
then you will be able to select the things you need.
you will need to setup some rules over the inbuild automations and scenes editor, have a look on youtube, its dropdown and select, i prob can help you there a bit if in need.
there wont be any needs to touch any config text file for such a basic setup.
so, your quest have its humidity meter, nothing to setup.
smart realy or plug zigbee with power monitoring,
0-10v zigbee dimmer/s
a sonoff zigbee 3.0 usb stick youll need to plug in to your HA
that would be basically be the hardware needed beside a HA installation.
on the software side, the sonoff sitck is recognized and configured automatically
the devices configure themself also automatically, need a button press in HA, discover devices.
then you will be able to select the things you need.
you will need to setup some rules over the inbuild automations and scenes editor, have a look on youtube, its dropdown and select, i prob can help you there a bit if in need.
there wont be any needs to touch any config text file for such a basic setup.
Rocket Soul
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"that would be basically be the hardware needed beside a HA installation."
What does this involve? Yes, im noobie AF
cobshopgrow
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can you link me to the information to the relays?
would it be capable to monitor just the wattage of a plug/realy an use that as a rule?
i havent found some like this.
goin only after a humidity value of the pulse and guess, well now the quest will prob run, i act, isnt that great and one need to spend quite some money on it.
Rocket Soul
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This is what im looking at