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Trump: Putin praise means ‘what I’m saying is right’
Former President Trump in a new interview welcomed recent comments from Russian President Vladimir Putin embracing Trump’s pledge to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours if he’s reelected.

“Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker quoted recent comments from Putin in which the Russian leader said Trump “says he will resolve all burning issues within several days, including the Ukrainian crisis. We cannot help but feel happy about it.”

“I like that he said that because that means what I’m saying is right,” Trump said when asked about the comments in an interview published Friday. “I would get him into a room, I would get [Ukrainian President] Zelensky into a room and I would get a deal worked out.”

Trump has frequently pledged that he would bring the conflict between Russia and Ukraine to an end in a matter of hours if elected president, something his Republican rivals and Democratic critics have scoffed at and suggested could only happen by ceding to Putin’s demands.

When Welker noted that Russian forces have bombed Ukrainian maternity wards and indiscriminately targeted civilians, Trump said, “it’s all terrible.”
Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. The Biden administration, with bipartisan support in Congress, has provided billions of dollars in military and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine in the months since, with President Biden vowing to stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes to win the war.

Trump has been critical of ongoing U.S. support, and some of his allies in Congress have opposed additional funding for Ukraine.
The former president has faced frequent criticism for his attitude and rhetoric toward Putin.

Trump repeatedly downplayed the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia interfered with the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and he has praised Putin’s intelligence multiple times, including calling the Russian leader a “genius” for recognizing two breakaway territories in eastern Ukraine before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Asked by Welker if he welcomes Putin’s support, Trump stressed that Russia did not invade Ukraine while he was in office before reiterating that he and the Russian leader have a “very good relationship.”.

“I got along with him really well, and that’s a good thing, not a bad thing,” Trump said. “Getting along is OK. But I got along through strength. And the war would have never happened. Now what happened, it’s so bad.”
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Trump: Putin praise means ‘what I’m saying is right’

Former President Trump in a new interview welcomed recent comments from Russian President Vladimir Putin embracing Trump’s pledge to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours if he’s reelected. …
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Mephisto666

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Interesting thought.
What would happen if Ukraine destroyed/sank a Russian nuclear armed submarine in the Black Sea like they almost did yesterday?
That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Mephisto666 said:
Interesting thought.
What would happen if Ukraine destroyed/sank a Russian nuclear armed submarine in the Black Sea like they almost did yesterday?
That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
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It is not a nuke, they have two subs in the black sea, one now and both are diesel powered and fire conventional rockets into Ukrainian cities.
 
Mephisto666

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One more point while I have the Black Sea on my mind.
Famine is already occuring in Africa and the price of wheat/bread has/is soaring (Biden?) and Russia has essentially stated that the Black Sea is theirs and will fire upon any ship they deem hostile, which is all ships not Russian.
Fuck them.
Whatever embargo is in effect now, upgrade it so that fucking air can't get in.
But, there is that gas problem unfortunately.
Why the fuck did the Germany/EU basically put all of their supply of natural gas in the hands of that unstable nation led by that murdering maniac?
More than enough in the North Sea if it was developed and piped to NATO countries.
I guess it was cheaper to get it from the fucking Communists.
How's that working out?
Not too good, eh?
And it's too late anyway
We'll all be dead by the time it would be completed.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Mephisto666 said:
I thought I read that it's had nuclear missiles.
I stand corrected.
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The missiles it fires can be nuclear armed, but they are not ICBMs, local stuff only and nuclear powered is not required in the Black Sea. Turkey controls access by treaty and will not allow warships in while there is a war, they are a NATO member though, but the Montreux Convention predates NATO.
 
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Republican Party has to make a choice: Putin or democracy

The “ Putin wing ” of the Republican Party is gaining traction in the House , endangering the $40 billion in aid the Biden administration has requested for Ukraine. The ...
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Republican Party has to make a choice: Putin or democracy

The “Putin wing” of the Republican Party is gaining traction in the House, endangering the $40 billion in aid the Biden administration has requested for Ukraine. The Senate intends to tie the aid to a continuing resolution to keep the government open after funding runs out on Oct. 1, but the malfunctioning House is making it unlikely that will happen.

The arguments made by those Putin Republicans—who are, not coincidentally, also Trump Republicans—are based on lies, like most of what the modern-day GOP advocates. One of those arguments is being parroted by Missouri’s Josh Hawley, one of just a few Senate Republicans who is standing with Russia against Ukraine. He argues that helping Ukraine hampers the U.S.’s ability to combat China.

“I just I think they’ve not come to grips with the fact that China is truly a pure competitor to us,” Hawley told the Kansas City Star, referring to the Biden administration and Ukraine-backers in Congress. “They are not like anything we’ve seen since the fall of the Soviet Union. And, really, they’re not even like the Soviet Union in the last 20 years that it existed. I mean, their economy is bigger, their military is bigger, their growth potential is greater.”

That China straw man was debunked by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, one of the staunchest defenders of Ukraine in the GOP, if not the Senate. “[T]he patina of hawkishness on China is too often just a mask for isolationism,” McConnell said on the floor this week. “If critics of U.S. support for Ukraine disparage the principle that we should oppose adversaries who invade and destroy western-aligned neighbors, how credible is their commitment to defend Taiwan or other vulnerable allies?”

“America’s two most powerful adversaries have struck up a ‘friendship without limits’. If we fail to help Ukraine stop Russia in its tracks, there is every reason to believe Russia and China will both be emboldened,” McConnell continued. “Our closest allies and partners in Asia … understand this fundamental reality. … If the United States proves we cannot be trusted to back our allies in Europe, why on Earth should our allies in Asia expect different treatment in the face of Chinese aggression?”

Another argument from the “America First” Putinists is that aid to Ukraine is taking U.S. taxpayer’s money away from Americans. That’s the constant refrain from Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. “Ukraine is not the 51st state of the United States,” she said this spring. “We’re $31 trillion in debt. We’re not defending our own border. We're ignoring our own people's problems.”

That’s an argument that Republicans say resonates with their voters, who are indeed turning against sustaining Ukraine aid. That’s even while Republicans—particularly in the House—are hellbent on trashing the economy, flirting with a debt limit default and government shutdowns. Republican lawmakers are telling their constituents that the Biden administration has chosen Ukraine over them, even while they are trying to force draconian domestic spending cuts that will impose real economic hurt on working families.

The far-right Republicans are also pushing the argument that Ukraine is becoming a "forever war,” like the war in Afghanistan. Rep. Brian Mast of Florida is one of them. “I can support something, but I can’t support nothing. That’s how you get what happened in Afghanistan,” said Mast, who served in that war, and lost both of his legs. There are no U.S, military personnel on the ground in Ukraine, which is just one big difference.

The administration is responding to criticisms from the Putinist Republicans and trying to shore up support. That includes a newly appointed Pentagon team that will monitor and oversee how U.S. aid is being directed in Ukraine. The inspector general for the Pentagon and State Department and US AID briefed GOP senators this week, at McConnell’s request, on current oversight efforts.

Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelenskyy will be part of the lobbying effort to shore up support for this aid package. He will come to Washington next week to personally meet with President Biden and members of Congress.

Beyond the immediate effort to pass this package, Biden, Democrats, and the non-Putin Republicans in Congress need to develop a counterargument to what the isolationist, far-right faction is spouting. The American people must be convinced that fighting authoritarianism is essential, and that this fight is much bigger than just Ukraine.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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If Ukraine shot enough cheap carboard drones at one, or at vital targets an S400 AA system was protecting, they could take it out. 50 drones with 4kg of HE should do the job, the decoys can be deadly too, cost $50K plus cruise missiles for a night attack. They just need to give the drones more range with better prototype batteries or petrol engines. Disposable aluminum air batteries should do the job for suicide drones and could offer great range, but I dunno if anybody is developing them for this application. Taking out an S400 system is worth a lot more expense however and they probably used a dozen beavers or something similar plus the UK supplied storm shadow missiles.
 
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