cannabineer
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aiee!
TRUMP CONVICTED
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Bagginski
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TEAR IT UP?
Let’s consider *ahem* the original context
WHEN IT WAS PASSED…it was unmistakeable who was disqualified: you either served in the armed forces or the government of the CSA. You either did business with the confederacy on some level or you did not.
Communications being what they were at the time, many avoided
This among other penalties, but that’s partly how OREGON became a self-declared “white man’s paradise” (it wasn’t a state yet). And IIRC an amnesty was passed for the remaining confederate veterans eventually.
That’s why there was no enabling clause. That’s why no verdict was necessary.
These are the flaws in the amendment: they render it moot beyond the death of the last of the CSA.
in todays political climate, there is no such broad degree of agreement on Trump’s guilt & responsibility. WITH a verdict of guilty, the core of the antebellum-minded will wither. WITHOUT a verdict, generations who’ve been impatiently waiting for the shooting to start will start…shooting, bombing, kidnapping, burning
For them, it would mean the worst had come true before their eyes. And it would be the worst move possible. It *would* mean civil war.
The “Federalists” want to blow our legs off kicking this bomb
We really shouldn’t help them do it
(I can’t seem to give that img a caption…keyword being CONTEXT)
Bagginski
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With plenty good reason
As for ‘die ding an sicht’, until he ran screaming away from TFFG, he was Wormtongue#1 for the GOP, a real ‘sophist’ & a nasty piece o’ work. Part of the Project for a New American Century crowd.
Since then, the weasel seems to be thinking much more clearly than before…I end up having to acknowledge his points/chain of reasoning/grasp of history despite my dislike & distrust of him
sorta like Chris Christie w/ a brain
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DIY-HP-LED
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I'm no expert, more like a sports fan watching a match or even a scientific debate. The experts seem to think the 14th applies on the left and especially on the right, the federalist society crowd and they make up the bulk of the judiciary including the SCOTUS. An article by two federalist society legal scholars makes the position of the federalists very clear. Then there is the recent precedent in NM that has not been challenged and already disqualified a magat.
The SCOTUS must hear this in the end and determine the standards of evidence for disqualification in any state, it's a federal election. If they ignore the constitution and the 14th amendment there will be serious trouble and rightly so and the constitution says that a 2/3 majority in both houses are required to put someone back on the ballot once disqualified. Someone in a state will sue in civil court, nobody has any control over this, but they can't sue until Trump files the papers to run. One other way out is to sue for declarative relief as a lawyer is doing in Florida, he is saying Trump's presence in the race as a disqualified candidate harms the other contenders and republican party. Have a judge declare Trump disqualified and go from there.
DIY-HP-LED
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BREAKING: Secretaries of State weigh Trump DISQUALIFICATION over 14th Amendment
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BREAKING: Secretaries of State weigh Trump DISQUALIFICATION over 14th Amendment
Fogdog
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People are going to test the theory and we will find out whose theory about the 14th is the one that prevails. I think you make good points against it but the Rubicon has already been crossed. It might be that Trump crossed it on Jan 6. What he did looks like insurrection to me and he did take an oath before taking office. The Rubicon might have been crossed when Trump was impeached after a trial in the House. The exact language doesn't spell it out as clearly as Frum says.
"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military.. shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion .," It's not clear to me what to call the president. He is the Commander in Chief. Does that make him a military officer? He administers the Executive branch which is filled with civil servants. Does that make his a civil office? Is the office of President above all of that and is neither a military or civil office?
There is no question that Trump conspired for and then led an insurrection. He was convicted of that in Congress when he was impeached. There is no doubt that people will try to get him declared disqualified if he wins the Republican primary. That Rubicon is about to be crossed too. So, I don't see how we can not press our case as firmly as we can. Look at the prize if we win. Trump cannot ever hold office again and his attempt to overthrow our democracy will be over. The message to future insurrectionists will be given -- attacks on our government can only end in your being banished from office. Furthermore, anybody who helped the leader will be banished too. IDK, maybe the prize is worth the risk.
DIY-HP-LED
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BudmanTX
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Awww poor Drunk Rudy......now he has to pay up....hope selling that home in NY is enough plus all your court cost.....buh bye
www.politico.com
Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming Georgia election workers, judge rules
The case will now head to trial, where a jury will determine the amount of damages that Giuliani must pay to the two election workers.
www.politico.com
BudmanTX
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kinda hard to defund the Treasury Department i would say
DIY-HP-LED
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This shit can't be helping them with independents and just motivates democrats, if they keep this up in Kevin's house it should be a blood bath for them in 24. They will be pissing against the wind on abortion, LBGTQ, Ukraine, incompetence and they will have Trump around their necks like a millstone until election day. If the republicans get rid of Trump before or during the primaries, challenges are underway in several states and more coming, then it will be civil war inside the GOP with the base freaking out bigly and if Donald is still out loose running around, they will all be RINOs who sold out etc. If they nominate him, they are screwed in November and if they get rid of him before or during the primaries using the 14th they are screwed too as Donald goes to war on them.
He could just lose the nomination too, but that would mean it was rigged and he was cheated etc.
BudmanTX
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you know this is just a thought, what if the RNC won't endorse Thumpy at all? It's just a thought
printer
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The MAGA's will stay home and the Democrats would sweep the elections and the next four years will result in the US tuning into a Socialist State like Canada.
DIY-HP-LED
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OldMedUser
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Sounds a lot better than turning into the fascist state the Repubs seem to be aiming for.
But then I'm one of those socialists they seem to fear so much so I may be biased.
DIY-HP-LED
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McDaniel? Ha They are probably still paying some of his legal bills! Donald will go down snarling and swinging, he will strike out at them when he goes down. If the GOP house doesn't die in a hail of gunfire on the courthouse steps in DC, they will be RINOs and disloyal, sold out etc.
If the die they will be just dead losers. I can see ordinary bigots and morons getting fucked over by this guy, but lawyers, politicians and perhaps a judge in Florida before it's over?
printer
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Trump tells Glenn Beck he’d ‘lock up’ political opponents if reelected
Former President Trump told conservative media personality Glenn Beck he would prosecute his political enemies if elected president again.
“You said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up,'” Beck reminded Trump of his statements about Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 during an appearance on his BlazeTV show Tuesday. “And then when you became president, you said, ‘We don’t do that in America. That’s just not the right thing to do.'”
“That’s what they’re doing,” Beck continued, asking the former president, “Do you regret not locking her up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump, who dismissed the various charges he faces in Georgia, New York, Florida and Washington, D.C., said there is “no choice.”
“Well, I’ll give you an example… The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us,” Trump said, adding that he “never hit Biden as hard as I could have.”
“I always had such great respect for the office of the president and the presidency … And then I heard he was trying to indict me, and it was him that was doing it,” he said.
The former president, also the current front-runner for the GOP nomination for president in 2024, has been indicted four times this year in connection with his personal business dealings, handling of classified documents and efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.
He has argued the criminal indictments he faces are political in nature and designed to keep him from winning another term in the White House.
thehill.com
Former President Trump told conservative media personality Glenn Beck he would prosecute his political enemies if elected president again.
“You said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up,'” Beck reminded Trump of his statements about Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 during an appearance on his BlazeTV show Tuesday. “And then when you became president, you said, ‘We don’t do that in America. That’s just not the right thing to do.'”
“That’s what they’re doing,” Beck continued, asking the former president, “Do you regret not locking her up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump, who dismissed the various charges he faces in Georgia, New York, Florida and Washington, D.C., said there is “no choice.”
“Well, I’ll give you an example… The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us,” Trump said, adding that he “never hit Biden as hard as I could have.”
“I always had such great respect for the office of the president and the presidency … And then I heard he was trying to indict me, and it was him that was doing it,” he said.
The former president, also the current front-runner for the GOP nomination for president in 2024, has been indicted four times this year in connection with his personal business dealings, handling of classified documents and efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.
He has argued the criminal indictments he faces are political in nature and designed to keep him from winning another term in the White House.
Trump tells Glenn Beck he’d ‘lock up’ political opponents if reelected
Former President Trump told conservative media personality Glenn Beck he would prosecute his political enemies if elected president again. “You said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up,'” B…
thehill.com
BudmanTX
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according to what i'm seeing, the RNC hasn't giving him any money, the orange idiot also hasn't signed the pledge either, the RNC knows that if they give him money he's gonna use it to pay he's legal bills, and since the he's got some many court apperances his campaign is rather stopped......he's needs the RNC nood big time, and they from what i've read won't do it.....so there's something up....hmmmMcDaniel? Ha They are probably still paying some of his legal bills! Donald will go down snarling and swinging, he will strike out at them when he goes down. If the GOP house doesn't die in a hail of gunfire on the courthouse steps in DC, they will be RINOs and disloyal, sold out etc.
Bagginski
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This is exactly the shit NOBODY wants to see.
Sure, it motivates Dems, but ATPM Dems are *plenty* motivated
Sure, it turns off independents like a light switch
It also feeds a wave of revulsion, of ‘nope, can’t go there’ among lifelongy TF republicans & old-line conservatives: those who’ve stopped donating, stopped taking polls online & by phone, feel more & more separated from the antics of the MAGAdon’tians in congress, more doubtful about the path they’ve been on if it’s brought us to this
They won’t show up in polls & surveys. Outwardly, nothing obvious has changed…but more and more resistance is emerging *from* republicans & repentant neo-cons in & out of office.
If SCROTUS has remaining sense, they’ll stay TF out of it: we’re seeing a massive wave of reaction to not just this moment, these circumstances, but to *everything* we’ve been thru as a nation, as warring states, as conflicted communities, as competing POVs & worldviews & belief systems since the Warren court ordered the desegregation of public schools in Little Rock & whatzisname declared god to be dead
This is the world we boomers made, though much of that is from the pushback we got from the WW2 generation. At this point, we sit on top of the most transparent bullshit ever swallowed by such a big slice of the population; whether we like or not, the reaction setting in will change everything going forward - it could crest @ any moment…too many things *could* collapse the waveform to predict what will be THE thing.
if we’re lucky, it’s the vast array of lifelong republicans giving evidence against TFFG, the *mountains* of documentation & evidence, the compelling timeline & witness testimony, the absence of rational, believable counter-argument to all that. Pull ‘plausible deniability’ up by the roots, run it though the shredder, learn to put away childish things and grow TFU
Bagginski
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Fuck himTrump tells Glenn Beck he’d ‘lock up’ political opponents if reelected
Former President Trump told conservative media personality Glenn Beck he would prosecute his political enemies if elected president again.
“You said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up,'” Beck reminded Trump of his statements about Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 during an appearance on his BlazeTV show Tuesday. “And then when you became president, you said, ‘We don’t do that in America. That’s just not the right thing to do.'”
“That’s what they’re doing,” Beck continued, asking the former president, “Do you regret not locking her up? And if you’re president again, will you lock people up?”
Trump, who dismissed the various charges he faces in Georgia, New York, Florida and Washington, D.C., said there is “no choice.”
“Well, I’ll give you an example… The answer is you have no choice, because they’re doing it to us,” Trump said, adding that he “never hit Biden as hard as I could have.”
“I always had such great respect for the office of the president and the presidency … And then I heard he was trying to indict me, and it was him that was doing it,” he said.
The former president, also the current front-runner for the GOP nomination for president in 2024, has been indicted four times this year in connection with his personal business dealings, handling of classified documents and efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.
He has argued the criminal indictments he faces are political in nature and designed to keep him from winning another term in the White House.
Trump tells Glenn Beck he’d ‘lock up’ political opponents if reelected
Former President Trump told conservative media personality Glenn Beck he would prosecute his political enemies if elected president again. “You said in 2016, you know, ‘Lock her up,'” B…