War

Roger A. Shrubber

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Plainly I don’t know.

But I don’t think all this noisy saber-rattling would be going on if there were a serious plan to cross the nuclear threshold.

One factor imo is Putin’s health. He has a serious movement disorder. That could be the tip of a medical iceberg. I would not be surprised if the executive tier 2 is aware, and cautious as a result.

All blue-sky speculation on my part
I don't think there has ever been a serious plan on russia's part. putin was so deluded and lied to that he thought the entire operation would only take a day or two.
I think this entire event has been done on putin's whim, and his whims become increasingly erratic, as his sanity degrades, along with his health.
I'm not sure he has any safeguards in place, their government is a facade to allow gangsters and mafioso to drain as much wealth from the country as possible. That kind of government doesn't put much value in checks and balances.
 

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a very good breakdown of China's economic issues and projections about what will happen in their economy this decade.

My take-away is that China can't afford to carry Russia as a second tier partner nor can it afford to further alienate the customers (the west) it so urgently needs to help it get through this decade and grow.


The last thing it needs is a war over Taiwan. They need to mow their own lawn.
If they do not get Taiwan soon they will not at all.
 

Fogdog

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If they do not get Taiwan soon they will not at all.
Possibly. Using Hong Kong as an example of what happens when the CCP takes over a government, I don't see Taiwan eager for it. Using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an example, I don't see how the People's Republic of China could be eager to take Taiwan by force.

I was wrong about this whole Ukraine mess. I never thought Putin would do it. I was right that it would be a disastrous mistake for Putin to invade Ukraine. It was a disastrous mistake for Putin, Russia and Russians as well as Ukraine and the whole world in general. I was right about that. But I didn't understand that Putin has an entirely different value system than my own. His is alien to me. I'll never understand why the invasion happened. If Xi has anything like Putin's value system, what I think will happen should be used to predict the opposite of that.
 
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Possibly. Using Hong Kong as an example of what happens when the CCP takes over a government, I don't see Taiwan eager for it. Using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an example, I don't see how the People's Republic of China could be eager to take Taiwan by force.

I was wrong about this whole Ukraine mess. I never thought Putin would do it. I was right that it would be a disastrous mistake for Putin to invade Ukraine. It was a disastrous mistake for Putin, Russia and Russians as well as Ukraine and the whole world in general. I was right about that. But I didn't understand that Putin has an entirely different value system than my own. His is alien to me. I'll never understand why the invasion happened. If Xi has anything like Putin's value system, what I think will happen should be used to predict the opposite of that.
That is part of the reason I have been posting information of the Russian people and what they are fed for news. They do have an altered view of reality. I have been reading some on China but they are even more of a mystery. We did have a guy from Chjna where I worked and I got the idea that he belonged to a repressed minority. Five or six years ago he told me breifly how rotten their government aparatus is and that the best someone can do is keep their head down and hope nobody notices them. Mind you, That is the same I get from the Russians.
 

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Erdogan offered Putin assistance in investigating the explosion of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan informed Russian President Vladimir Putin about the possibility of creating an international commission to investigate the explosion of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station (HPP) in the Kherson region. This was reported by the office of the Turkish leader. The presidents discussed the situation with the Kakhovskaya HPP during a telephone conversation.

“President Erdogan stated the importance of conducting a comprehensive investigation into the explosion at the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station so that there are no doubts (regarding the circumstances of the incident - approx. URA.RU),” the office said. Erdogan noted that it is possible to create a commission with the participation of Russian and Ukrainian experts, the UN and the international community. Türkiye can assist in this.

Earlier, Erdogan proposed an initiative to create an international commission to investigate the explosion of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. According to the Turkish leader, Russia and Ukraine will reach agreements, as was the case with the grain deal. Erdogan and Zelensky discussed this during a telephone conversation, reports the National News Service .

Switzerland allowed the re-export of weapons to Ukraine
The Swiss Senate allowed Western countries to re-export weapons to Ukraine. This was reported on the website of the Swiss Parliament.

“Countries buying Swiss military equipment should be allowed, under certain conditions, to re-export it to countries involved in armed conflicts,” it says. in the message. The Council of Cantons approved this initiative on Wednesday with 22 votes of approval to 17. Also, four members of the Senate abstained from the choice.

Earlier, Switzerland banned the transfer of domestically produced weapons to Ukraine . Germany, Spain and Denmark approached the country with a request for re-export, but they were refused. The Swiss government had one condition - a change in the law on the export of military equipment. This was announced at a briefing by Swiss Foreign Minister Ignazio Cassis, reports the National News Service .

Russian Defense Ministry: Ukrainian saboteurs blew up the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline
On June 5, at about 21.00, near the area of the village of Masyutovka, Kharkiv region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) staged an explosion of the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline. This was reported in the Russian Defense Ministry.

“The Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group blew up the Togliatti-Odessa ammonia pipeline,” the agency said. It is noted that as a result of the terrorist act, civilians of the Kharkiv region suffered. They were assisted by doctors.

The Russian military was not injured. Through the damaged areas, ammonia residues are bled from the territories of Ukraine.

A barrack caught fire in the Sverdlovsk village.
In the village of Ayat, Nevyansk urban district (Sverdlovsk region), a barrack caught fire during the day, which was extinguished until the evening. Difficulties arose due to the great remoteness of water sources: water had to be transported from a distance of 1.5 km. This was reported by the press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia for the Sverdlovsk Region.

“On the afternoon of June 7, the fire department of the village of Ayat, Nevyansk urban district, received a message about a fire on the street. Lenin. The fire and rescue units that arrived at the place of the call found that a partially settled barrack was on fire and there was a threat of the flame spreading to the neighboring building," the ministry said.

The fire was extinguished only in the evening on an area of 300 square meters. There is no information about the victims. “To fight the fire, 13 firefighters and 4 units of special equipment were involved,” the regional EMERCOM of Russia specifies.

In the Kurgan region, twice as many people died as were born
In the Kurgan region, the death rate exceeded the birth rate twice. Statistics for the three months of 2023 were published by Sverdlovskstat. At the same time, birth and death rates fell compared to the same period last year.

“In January-March 2023, 1561 people were born in the Kurgan region, 3190 people died. Compared to the corresponding period in 2022, there was a decrease of 4.9 percent (80 people) in the number of births and 13.5 percent (497 people) in the number of deaths. The number of deaths in the region exceeded the number of births twice,” the Sverdlovskstat report says.

Also during this period, nine cases of death of children under the age of 1 year were registered (last year there were 11). The total population of the region decreased by 2089 people due to natural loss (by 78%) and migration loss (by 22%).

WarGonzo: Ukrainian infantry is trying to break through on the Orekhov-Tokmak highway
The infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) attempted to strike on the Orekhov-Tokmak highway in the Zaporozhye region. This was reported by war correspondent Semyon Pegov in the WarGonzo telegram channel. It is specified that the Ukrainian militants have not yet used heavy equipment.

“Sources of the Wargonzo project report that now, on both sides along the Orekhov-Tokmak highway, the enemy is again attempting an infantry offensive,” the message says. telegram channel. It is specified that so far without the participation of armored vehicles.

However, the movement of Ukrainian armored vehicles is heard not far from the highway. “In addition, the enemy is conducting massive shelling with Grads,” Pegov said.

In the Kherson region, 15 thousand houses were flooded due to the destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station
About 15 thousand houses were flooded in the Kherson region due to the explosion of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). This was announced by the Minister of Labor and Social Policy of the Kherson region Alla Barkhatnova.

“About 15 thousand flooded households,” Alla Barkhatnova said on the air of the TV channel “Tavria. She noted that Ukraine has created a large-scale tragedy.

On June 6, the mayor of Nova Kakhovka, Vladimir Leontyev, reported that the attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine had led to a dam failure . He called the attack an act of terrorism. Due to the impact of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station, a criminal case was opened under the article “Terrorist attack”. This was announced by the Investigative Committee of Russia (IC RF). Russian President Vladimir Putin called the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine a barbaric action of Kyiv in a conversation with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, reports " .
 

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The consequences of the destruction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station: what is known by now
The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) blew up the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station (HPP) in the Kherson region on June 6. URA.RU provides a brief summary of what is currently known about the incident.
 

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This letter from a year ago was mentioned by ATP Geopolitics, better known as Jonathan MS Pearce on YouTube. Written before Russia crossed the border.

Open letter to Putin
Published Mar 27, 2022

Silver-haired Red Army general Leonid Ivashov, “Out of fifteen republics of the USSR, Ukraine had given us more headache than any other.”

Retired Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov spoke out vocally against hypothetical Russia's war with Ukraine. As the chairman of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly, the general who’s known for his pro-Soviet and patriotic views, had written and signed an open letter addressed to president Putin and citizens of Russia.

He sat down for an interview with a host of the liberal radio station Echo of Moscow to assess risks and consequences of a military invasion, blamed the escalation on President Putin, and demanded his resignation.

I’m posting highlights from the interview with the focus on the military aspects below.

“My open letter was an anti-war statement. It expressed collective opinion of the retired army officers and generals, members of All-Russian Officers’ Assembly, and after our discussion, as the chairman, I signed the letter.

“We at the Assembly have received a wealth of military experience and first class military higher education.

“We acknowledge that preparations for a war with Ukraine have been well under way including diplomatic negotiations, with groupings of troops massed on the border. In such conditions, one gun shot might provoke a conflict with ensuing dire consequences. If extensive military actions begin, tens of thousands of young men will die.

“I served as a military diplomat and sat behind the table with Nato and European top brass, and I can tell you that people who want a war the least are generals, while politicians can easily start it over for the sake of for example winning re-elections. Politicians don’t hold any responsibility and shift all the blame on to the military. And when there’s a victory, politicians own it.”

“In the 1990s, we observed Nato’s planned military exercises and reacted by conducting our own planned military exercises, manoeuvres, missile lunches, etc.

“All that didn’t pose any critical dangers. Our military and civil leadership should have been taking initiative into their own hands, and without any hysterical ultimatum like “give us answer tomorrow. Fulfil our demands right away.”

“As the head of International Military Cooperation Department, I persuaded Minister of Defence to prepare a collective plan of European Security. It was well received although Americans and the English blocked it.

“Nonetheless, we pressed on, step by step, to deescalate the level of tensions. Our European colleagues always responded well to our suggestions and we found solutions to problems together. War is, as they say, the last resort.

“We have discussed at the assembly why Putin is triggering the last resort and arrived at the only plausible conclusion: Russia is going through a systemic crises that the leadership cannot put a check on. In every sphere of economy - healthcare, culture, education, etc - everywhere is degradation and collapse.

“My personal impression is that Putin is tired of Russia. And he wants to be finished with it, because a large-scale war would result in the disappearance of Russia as an integral, big country.

“As a civilisation it was over for us after the disintegration of the Soviet Union. After this escapade, we’ll be finished as a country.

“It won’t be a blitzkrieg, a walk in the park. This will be a mass-scale war with tens of thousands of killed and maimed soldiers on both sides.

“Even if we conquer Kiev, we’ll have to dig in and build garrisons and fight partisan movements. We’ll have to use our entire nation’s energies and resources to keep some semblance of order in Ukraine. It is savagery. Absolute savagery.

“And what for? For the sake of decades of military confrontation? Of course, some parties in the West would feel joyful. Gas won’t flow from Russia, and it will never be a competitor again. It will be an awful geopolitical catastrophe. And that’s the reason why we took a stand against it.

“I repeat, there’s no critical situation. I can't name a single European country that wants a war between Russia and Ukraine. And even Americans who wouldn’t find Ukraine on the map will protest and there will be a public resonance if just a dozen American soldiers die in this war. So I don’t see anyone who actively wants this war.

“To me the West has always been an opponent and a rival, but I was surprised how they reacted to our ultimatum. They didn’t escalate the situation, but offered a negotiating process.

“Instead, our ultimatum has united the entire Western world against us. And not only the West. India has just rejected to purchase 1700 Russian tanks, which will spell the end of our tank industry exports.

“There’s an easy way to stop it. Putin calls Zelensky and offers to meet in a neutral country and talk. The other option that can stop the war is public outcry.

“And I don’t mean those so-called experts on TV who talk about taking over Ukraine in ten days, or a few hours. I suggest that the senior leadership’s, bankers’ and business elite’s and talk shows hosts’ children take assault rifles in their own hands and join the front chain of the attack. Only then those people would play an active role in stopping this war not to get their children in body bags.

“Mass media shouldn’t be the instrument of war, the role they have performed since 2014 when instead of using kindness to resolve our differences with Ukraine, they engaged in aggression to widen that chasm between us and anger each other. That spilled blood will separate us forever into enemies’ camps.

“Once we cross into Ukrainian territory, they will receive all the weapons that they need, and thousands of volunteers will join the army to fight.

“76.6% per center of our members, which includes retired police officers and special forces, share this opinion. Bottom line, our goal is to stop this bloody tragedy from happening.

“Assault troops are still massed on the border with Ukraine and Putin after his return from Beijing didn’t order to pull them back. That means that hostilities can start at any moment.

“Resignation of Putin will give Russia a small chance to keep Russia’s statehood going. It’s what we’re counting on.

“You have to understand one thing. When Putin was propelled to this scale of of power, he knew nothing. It’s only with time that he learned and was exploited by all sorts of individuals.

“Any man with regional managerial experience that will take his place, the first thing he’ll do is hire professionals. PROFESSIONALS. Professionals with proper education and experience. Yes, in a way that will be a ‘technical’ president, but he will surround himself with people who have professional knowledge.

“At this time, much depends on Putin. There needs to be a clear-minded person in his circle who will give it to him straight - ‘as a commander in chief and a mastermind of this war, you will carry full responsibility and go on international trial like those war criminals in Nuremberg.’

“We have to stop this absolutely unnecessary war.”


 

DIY-HP-LED

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Mark Hertling - How Fragile would Russia’s Autocratic System be After a Major Battlefield Defeat

43,773 views Jun 6, 2023 Expert Panel
GUEST: Mark Hertling - former United States Army officer
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The last 9 months has seen a vicious war of attrition unfold in towns like Ugledar, Soledar and Bakhmut. But this should not be interpreted as a stalemate, as those struggles seems to have degraded the quantity of functional Russian equipment and depleted their fighting potential. Will Ukraine’s much-vaunted counter offensive finally bring an end to Russia’s genocidal and pointless war? And how fragile would Russia’s autocratic, vertical system be after a major battlefield defeat?
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SPEAKER:
Mark Hertling is a former United States Army officer, who served as the Commanding General of the United States Army Europe and the Seventh Army. Hertling served in Armor, Cavalry, planning, operations, and training positions, and commanded every organization from Platoon to Field Army. He commanded the 1st Armoured Division and Task Force Iron/Multinational Division-North in Iraq during the troop surge of 2007 to 2008.
 
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