Stuff that doesn't really fit in either "Examples of" thread....

OldMedUser

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Sheeit man, were they sterling??
30 some-odd years ago on the upper Chilliwack River in BC I found what I thought was a fishing spoon embedded in the dirt at a campground I was walking thru to get to a hole where I pulled out 3 steelhead. Turned out it was a regular spoon and it was/is sterling. It sits in a small glass bowl beside our BUNN coffee maker and has stirred every cup of coffee I've had at home since I found it. Wearing the tip down pretty good too. :)

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printer

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They are targeted because it’s a well known fact that indigenous people are marginalized by most police forces. Little to no effort is ever given to solve the murders of these victims.

What are you going to tell me next, systemic racism doesn’t exist?
Natives have been marginalized in the past. If your police still do it in your area then why have Natives not kicked up a fuss to change things?
 

CunningCanuk

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Natives have been marginalized in the past. If your police still do it in your area then why have Natives not kicked up a fuss to change things?
The past? My area? You’re in Winnipeg, right?


 

printer

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The past? My area? You’re in Winnipeg, right?


Do you know why Winnipeg and Saskatoon have more problems than others? Because we have a large Native population that live in remote areas and then come down to the big city. Girls that should still be in school gets preyed on by the Native gangs and are seen as things to own. They really have no respect for life. Others that have no respect for life was the serial killer that I mentioned. I was debating if I was going to post the article knowing I would have to deal with you, I have given enough of a response back then, if you want to go down that road again, go look up the thread.

I framed the latest murders and what the family expects, the Native leaders are saying they are due that does not tale race into account. No issues with it from anyone. Bring in the fact that they were Natives, well here you are again. Sigh.

Natives have a greater representation of marginalized people, I just saw about 30 camping out a couple hundred feet from our concert hall. Guess what kind of features they mostly had?They come down from the north without a pot to piss in and end up in sketchy situations. I have a family from the Kenora area on my block, I doubt they will have trouble with police, no more than the guys I worked with.

On the report, my brother told me about a woman that started in the place he worked. After a while she was complaining they were treating her badly because she was Native. Before she complained they did not even know she was. We bring our biases with us sometimes, don't we? My sister works throughout the province's school systems. She works with the kids, one of the biggest problems she see's is FAS. I had a long time (white) friend whose son has FAS, he gets into trouble because at the time he does not have the cognitive ability to think things through. Like his unemployed friend driving up with a car and asking him if he want's to go to Calgary (where he was then charged with stealing the car).

They are a community that brings along their own baggage. Yes the governments of the past have put them in a disadvantage. But all the ones that I knew that held down jobs and had a normal life have been treated normal.

And given the story about the two women in the landfill? If we do not search for them we will be called a racist city.
 

CunningCanuk

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Do you know why Winnipeg and Saskatoon have more problems than others? Because we have a large Native population that live in remote areas and then come down to the big city. Girls that should still be in school gets preyed on by the Native gangs and are seen as things to own. They really have no respect for life. Others that have no respect for life was the serial killer that I mentioned. I was debating if I was going to post the article knowing I would have to deal with you, I have given enough of a response back then, if you want to go down that road again, go look up the thread.

I framed the latest murders and what the family expects, the Native leaders are saying they are due that does not tale race into account. No issues with it from anyone. Bring in the fact that they were Natives, well here you are again. Sigh.

Natives have a greater representation of marginalized people, I just saw about 30 camping out a couple hundred feet from our concert hall. Guess what kind of features they mostly had?They come down from the north without a pot to piss in and end up in sketchy situations. I have a family from the Kenora area on my block, I doubt they will have trouble with police, no more than the guys I worked with.

On the report, my brother told me about a woman that started in the place he worked. After a while she was complaining they were treating her badly because she was Native. Before she complained they did not even know she was. We bring our biases with us sometimes, don't we? My sister works throughout the province's school systems. She works with the kids, one of the biggest problems she see's is FAS. I had a long time (white) friend whose son has FAS, he gets into trouble because at the time he does not have the cognitive ability to think things through. Like his unemployed friend driving up with a car and asking him if he want's to go to Calgary (where he was then charged with stealing the car).

They are a community that brings along their own baggage. Yes the governments of the past have put them in a disadvantage. But all the ones that I knew that held down jobs and had a normal life have been treated normal.

And given the story about the two women in the landfill? If we do not search for them we will be called a racist city.
If you continue to post stuff like this, containing obvious biases and micro aggressions, I’m going to call you out on it. You can either get used to it or put me on ignore, because I don’t give a damn if you like it or not.

If you were open to expanding your narrow view based on stories told by siblings, you would read the report I linked in my previous post.
 

printer

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If you continue to post stuff like this, containing obvious biases and micro aggressions, I’m going to call you out on it. You can either get used to it or put me on ignore, because I don’t give a damn if you like it or not.

If you were open to expanding your narrow view based on stories told by siblings, you would read the report I linked in my previous post.
Post what you want, as I said I gave a lot of posts in the other thread. I ignore trolls, you are not one. If you can not see why spending up to $180 million to hopefully retrieve two woman's bodies is not a good way to spend out tax dollars (and I am ok with spending it to find the children's graves) then it shows a lack of priorities.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Spending 180 million so two families can have funerals seems a little excessive to me.
They don't need the bodies for forensic evidence, the guy has apparently already been caught, so the only point in spending that money would be to make 4 or 5 people feel some closure.
Wouldn't that 180 million do more good going to help something like this?
https://www.homelesshub.ca/resource/homelessness-winnipeg-fact-sheet
which might help with the entire situation?
 

printer

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Spending 180 million so two families can have funerals seems a little excessive to me.
They don't need the bodies for forensic evidence, the guy has apparently already been caught, so the only point in spending that money would be to make 4 or 5 people feel some closure.
Wouldn't that 180 million do more good going to help something like this?
https://www.homelesshub.ca/resource/homelessness-winnipeg-fact-sheet
which might help with the entire situation?
These people might be on board. They mention the same reasons why the people end up in the straits as I have previously.

 

CunningCanuk

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Post what you want, as I said I gave a lot of posts in the other thread thread. I ignore trolls, you are not one. If you can not see why spending up to $180 million to hopefully retrieve two woman's bodies is not a good way to spend out tax dollars (and I am ok with spending it to find the children's graves) then it shows a lack of priorities.
Check my replies again, at no point did I talk about spending $180 million to recover bodies. My point, which you and a few others failed to see, was that these cases get cold because no effort is given to solving them. Primarily because police forces regularly marginalize indigenous people.

This is all I’m going to say about this, feel free to own the last word if you want.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Check my replies again, at no point did I talk about spending $180 million to recover bodies. My point, which you and a few others failed to see, was that these cases get cold because no effort is given to solving them. Primarily because police forces regularly marginalize indigenous people.

This is all I’m going to say about this, feel free to own the last word if you want.
that's a whole separate problem, we have it as well. I suspect the only real solution is to require all police officers to attend state wide training, and for part of that training to be in proper conduct, in ALL situations, no matter who the victim or the criminal is.
You can't make people more compassionate, but you can make them do their jobs to a certain level of competence, or else get rid of them.
Those who are incapable of changing should be easy enough to spot and get rid of.
 

cannabineer

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that's a whole separate problem, we have it as well. I suspect the only real solution is to require all police officers to attend state wide training, and for part of that training to be in proper conduct, in ALL situations, no matter who the victim or the criminal is.
You can't make people more compassionate, but you can make them do their jobs to a certain level of competence, or else get rid of them.
Those who are incapable of changing should be easy enough to spot and get rid of.
I think mandatory bodycams (backed by a “turn it off, lose your job and get a court date” clause) would have a significant leveling effect.
 

printer

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Check my replies again, at no point did I talk about spending $180 million to recover bodies. My point, which you and a few others failed to see, was that these cases get cold because no effort is given to solving them. Primarily because police forces regularly marginalize indigenous people.

This is all I’m going to say about this, feel free to own the last word if you want.
And my point was that the type of people the killer targets are ones with no fixed address, ones with drug problems. I was at a party once and I found out two people there used to go to the main street hotels and ply women with liquor, get them to the point of passing out and raping them. Did they pick up native women because they are biased against the women? No, it was because they were easy targets and being preyed upon is something they got used to up on the reserves. That is a big elephant in the room, there are some reserves where everyone had been sexually abused at some point and some women try to escape it by going to the big city. They are marginalized before they even leave the reserve, not having a job to support themselves, used to blocking out their pain through alcohol and drugs. This is where the predators set out after them. The police have little to go on if they go missing. I posted about this before, the Homeless 5 Year Plan also speaks about this and they are a Native run organization. By the time the police get involved a lifetime of damage has already been done to these people.

that's a whole separate problem, we have it as well. I suspect the only real solution is to require all police officers to attend state wide training, and for part of that training to be in proper conduct, in ALL situations, no matter who the victim or the criminal is.
You can't make people more compassionate, but you can make them do their jobs to a certain level of competence, or else get rid of them.
Those who are incapable of changing should be easy enough to spot and get rid of.
Yes they do have cultural training. I had to go through it myself for my job, got smudged by an elder (their religious ceremony). Would there be some bad apples in the police force? Sure, but I really doubt there is a systematic bias in the police force against Natives. My niece's husband is a parametic, they also have to go through the training. He regularly gets posted up on the reserves on a rotating basis. It is not unusual for him to end up at the same location as the police and I really doubt he would keep quiet if he sees any wrongdoing (our family leaning left). On the police not allocating enough resources to Native cases, the political blow back is too great to let that happen now. Heck, they spent $500,000 just to study if it is feasible to search for the women.

"Smyth cited the passage of time, the fact that 10,000 truckloads of refuse were dumped in the area in the following months, and that trash at the landfill is compacted with heavy mud at a depth of about 12 metres.

Grand Chief Jerry Daniels of the Southern Chiefs' Organization in Manitoba recommended shutting down the landfill to address safety concerns.

"You can't use language around it's not feasible because that doesn't work for us. It doesn't work for our women, and it's not going to work for our relationship with the police," he said.

Manitoba's Opposition NDP has called for tighter rules and more thorough record-keeping to help prevent cases where human remains are lost in landfills so victims' families aren't left dealing with an added layer of grief.

Party leader Wab Kinew said he "takes seriously" the police decision but added it's important to try and bring families closure.

"I take seriously technical considerations, feasibility, safety of people conducting a search but when I look at a pair of grieving daughters, grieving family members I think it's important that we make the effort."


The area is the size is larger than a football stadium, 12 meters is 36 feet deep. Manitoba's Opposition Party leader Wab Kinew is of Native heritage. But do not let that change our racist tag.




Let us go back in time.

Missing woman last seen on Main Street nearly 1 month ago: Winnipeg police
Morgan Harris, 39, normally wears baggy jeans and runners. She is 5 feet tall and has a thin build
UPDATE: On Dec. 1, 2022,Winnipeg police identified Morgan Harris as the victim of a homicide.

Police are asking the public for help to find a missing 39-year-old woman who hasn't been seen in nearly a month.

Morgan Harris was last seen on May 1 near the area of Main Street and Henry Avenue in Winnipeg, police said in a news release on Tuesday.

She generally spends time downtown and may have visited an emergency room.

Harris is five feet tall, with a thin build and curly medium-length light brown hair. She usually wears baggy jeans and runners.

The Winnipeg Police Service is concerned for Harris's well-being and are asking anyone with information regarding her whereabouts to contact the missing persons unit at 204-986-6250.


The Bear Clan Patrol is a Native group that spends time on the streets looking out for the people that live there. Morgan was last seen on May 1 at Higgins and Henry, and the Bear Clan posted that she was missing 16 days after she was last seen. Let us see what is there at her last seen position.

"Salvation Army Centre of Hope 180 Henry: 24/7, 18+ overnight shelter with food, clothing. Separate floors for women- and men-identifying guests. 204-946-9402"



People come and go at the shelter, it is not unusual for them to not be seen for days or to move on. With street people it is not as easy for police to find them if they go missing. "HARRIS generally frequents downtown areas and possibly E/Rs". The frequenting Emergency at hospitals does not sound good. Most likely the one I worked at as it is in the same area. It is not unusual for street people to visit that hospital.


"Myran, 26, was reported missing in March of this year, and was last seen in Winnipeg's North End.

After she was reported missing, her family members canvassed the city looking for her, afraid of what they might find.

Myran was living on the streets before she went missing. Her grandmother Donna Bartlett said in an October interview that she worried Myran might be exploited, or even killed.

Family and a search team looked for Morgan for months after she went missing at the beginning of May, hopeful they would find her, said Cambria.

She was reported missing in the months before May 16, when her partial remains were found in garbage bin behind an apartment building in Winnipeg's North Kildonan neighbourhood. After a search, more of her remains were found by police at the city's Brady Road landfill in June. "

Parts of her were found in North Kildonan and also at the Brady Road landfill (different one that where the other two women are thought to be). How is it that she was found in the northern part of the city and in the land fill that is in the southern part of the city? Seems like the killer did not think disposing a whole body would be prudent. I remember when the story first came out the police were trying to figure out where all the parts might have been disposed of. I am guessing that the killer may have treated the other bodies in the same way. This makes it pretty hard for the police to search for a body when it may be spread around like ordinary bags of garbage.

"Police suspect that Myran was killed on May 4, 2022.[3][6][10] Myran's family reports her as missing on September 26, 2022, following reluctance by the family in finding out something may have happened to her. "

 
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printer

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It was too long for the one post,

Check my replies again, at no point did I talk about spending $180 million to recover bodies. My point, which you and a few others failed to see, was that these cases get cold because no effort is given to solving them. Primarily because police forces regularly marginalize indigenous people.

This is all I’m going to say about this, feel free to own the last word if you want.
Sept. 26, 2022
Myran's family reports her missing, months after she was last seen. This is also around the time when police issue a missing person release about her through the Bear Clan Patrol to solicit information from the public.

Myran's grandmother, Donna Bartlett, said Myran's mother was initially afraid to go to the police because she was scared to learn that something had happened to her.

The family reported her missing months after she was last seen. Can not blame the police on this. But then, I guess I know more about the story and how racist this city is than someone who reads the odd story from far away and is ready to blame racism.
 
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