Classifying Strains by Flavors (terpenes)

[baldmountain]

Most people when thinking about strains classify them as either Sativa, Indica or a Hybrid. But today almost all available strains are some level of hybrid and honestly I don't feel like classifying something as a Sativa or an Indica is useful at all. We're interested in terpenes and flavors.

I was reading the book "Weed" and read about Kevin Jodrey's classification into Fruit, Floral, Fuel and Earth. I feel like this is a better way to think about different strains since it focuses on the flavors rather than where the strain may have come from 30 generations back.

I'm not sure I've ever tried a real Fruit or Earth strain. I know I hate Floral strains. (Anything that has even a hint of lavender makes me retch.) But what surprised me is almost everything I've ever grown has been some form of Fuel strain. This has made me rethink the strains I grow in order to explore the fruit and earth strains.

What do you think?

 

[raratt]

 

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[doughper]

We're interested in terpenes and flavors.

Of course, but how about the high? Indica's more body feel, and sativa's more head high.

 

[Foxseeds]

Most terps have no psychoactive effects so what would the point be. beta-myrcene is the most psychoactive and it’s in both sativa dominant and indica dominant plants. A lot people don’t like beta-myrcene but it has a nice calming effect. A pinene and Linalool helps memory loss and anxiety, there’s some other minor effects but most terpenes, plant esters, thiols don’t have any psychoactive effects.

 

[Paul-n-Chukka]

Nope.
A single genotype can put out different pheno expression depending on the environment. Each pheno expresses different terps.
Each consumers organoleptic perception differs from another.
So you have no way to categorize perceived odors.
And no reason to either.

 

[PopAndSonGrows]

Ehh. I still don't think the Sativa/Indica convo is "useless" it still gives you an idea of the lineage, if you care about sort of thing (generally speaking, I do).

It's kind of like having a friend that's mix race: it 100% doesn't matter what race(s) they are BUT, as a friend, isn't that something you'd like to know about them? Their family, (some of) their history?

 

[PopAndSonGrows]

If we're going to stop talking about taxonomy then who gives a shit about where ANY weed came from? Why discuss terps? Why even smoke??? lol

 

[Funkentelechy]

I agree that the classifications for cannabis need to be revised, our current labels are not very scientific. The terms Sativa and Indica are tied to geographical regions, Indica Afghanistan and Sativa India. Could you imagine if there was one name for all birds that come from America? That would be silly. It might give you some indication that you could expect them to be a little different on average than say African birds, but it's a huge generalization. And, it really doesn't help you identify and differentiate individual species within the same geographical region, or the same species across different geographical regions and how they are interrelated.
A more accurate system based on genetics and inherited traits is what we need.

 

[higher self]

It's either Gelato or its not now a days lol.

I think you should try growing a real sativa tho.

 

[conor c]

I agree that the classifications for cannabis need to be revised, our current labels are not very scientific. The terms Sativa and Indica are tied to geographical regions, Indica Afghanistan and Sativa India. Could you imagine if there was one name for all birds that come from America? That would be silly. It might give you some indication that you could expect them to be a little different on average than say African birds, but it's a huge generalization. And, it really doesn't help you identify and differentiate individual species within the same geographical region, or the same species across different geographical regions and how they are interrelated.
A more accurate system based on genetics and inherited traits is what we need.

Yeah there trying to change it with the likes of broad leaf drug trait or wide leaf drug trait and thin leaf drug trait or narrow leaf drug trait as well as type 1 and 2 etc type one being thc dominant type two being 1 to 1 cbd to thc ratio type 3 being cbd dominate even then its not perfect and folks are slow to change and adopt it vs the old sativa and indica labels

 

[Foxseeds]

I was looking into growing Japanese hemp and found this pretty useful info

“We all know there's two types of cannabis, Sativa and Indica. Using modern genetic testing methods the definitions are different from what we've believed.

Cannabis Sativa is narrow leaf European Hemp. Flowers early in August and September or even automatically(In modern cannabis botany Cannabis Ruderalis doesn't exist. It falls under Cannabis Sativa). It originated near the Caucasus Mountains in eastern Europe and Asia Minor.

Cannabis Indica is almost all drug varieties, including narrow leaf tropical ones. Indica evolved far to the east near the Chengdu Mountain region of China. All East Asian, SE Asian, and Indian varieties are Indica. All eastern hemp and seed strains, including Ace's Japanese Hokkaido strain, are also Cannabis Indica. Very different genetically from western hemp strains.

It's off topic but what we consider Indica, wide leaf central Asian drug cannabis, is Cannabis Indica Afghanica. It is likely South Asian drug cannabis that has been hybridized with Cannabis Sativa that drifted south and east from Eastern Europe/Kazakhstan and Iran. “

“The old sativa/indica/rudelaris taxonomy failed to differenciate properly non psychoactive hemp and non psychoactive wild cannabis vs psychoactive cultivars. While the new nld/wld/etc taxonomy is based on leaf traits which in my opinion is an unaccurate and childish way to classify properly cannabis, especially considering most of the hybrid genepool available nowadays to marijuana growers, and also doesn't classifies properly autoflowering or rudelaris genetics. “

“You can't classify cannabis by chemotypes because as you suggest because both Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica can produce the same Chemotypes. As you move closer to the equator a Sativa strain will produce more THC, as you move a tropical Indica strain north it'll lose THC and increase CBD. “

Very few pure landrace varieties, most were hybridized at one point by humans

 

[conor c]

I was looking into growing Japanese hemp and found this pretty useful info

“We all know there's two types of cannabis, Sativa and Indica. Using modern genetic testing methods the definitions are different from what we've believed.

Cannabis Sativa is narrow leaf European Hemp. Flowers early in August and September or even automatically(In modern cannabis botany Cannabis Ruderalis doesn't exist. It falls under Cannabis Sativa). It originated near the Caucasus Mountains in eastern Europe and Asia Minor.

Cannabis Indica is almost all drug varieties, including narrow leaf tropical ones. Indica evolved far to the east near the Chengdu Mountain region of China. All East Asian, SE Asian, and Indian varieties are Indica. All eastern hemp and seed strains, including Ace's Japanese Hokkaido strain, are also Cannabis Indica. Very different genetically from western hemp strains.

It's off topic but what we consider Indica, wide leaf central Asian drug cannabis, is Cannabis Indica Afghanica. It is likely South Asian drug cannabis that has been hybridized with Cannabis Sativa that drifted south and east from Eastern Europe/Kazakhstan and Iran. “

“The old sativa/indica/rudelaris taxonomy failed to differenciate properly non psychoactive hemp and non psychoactive wild cannabis vs psychoactive cultivars. While the new nld/wld/etc taxonomy is based on leaf traits which in my opinion is an unaccurate and childish way to classify properly cannabis, especially considering most of the hybrid genepool available nowadays to marijuana growers, and also doesn't classifies properly autoflowering or rudelaris genetics. “

“You can't classify cannabis by chemotypes because as you suggest because both Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica can produce the same Chemotypes. As you move closer to the equator a Sativa strain will produce more THC, as you move a tropical Indica strain north it'll lose THC and increase CBD. “

Very few pure landrace varieties, even those were hybridized at one point by humans

The last bit is assuming no human selection as with good selection you can still keep it potent without mans hand weed drifts to type two 1 to 1 cbd to thc ratio or type 3 low thc high cbd it naturally goes that way even in hot countries i guarantee without selection it will still turn hempy imo people often forget all the work those that came before us did with landraces and heirlooms far too easily

 

[Kumarollitup]

Nope.
A single genotype can put out different pheno expression depending on the environment. Each pheno expresses different terps.
Each consumers organoleptic perception differs from another.
So you have no way to categorize perceived odors.
And no reason to either.

Heard…

 

[Kumarollitup]

Heard…

This is a great post with great replies, Mahalo for all your input on this.

 

[Paul-n-Chukka]

All wide leaf is evolved from narrow leaf.
So everything is sativa..... if were talking about heritage.
Just as all people evolved from darker skinned bipeds.
But why categorize everything? Is your mind too simple to grasp the bigger picture?

 

[Funkentelechy]

But why categorize everything?

Because some strains grow better than others outdoors in my climate. I also prefer the high and or the flavor from certain strains more than others. So, once you find strains that work for you for whatever reason you can apply that knowledge to your future strain selections. That's handy I think.
What is the bigger picture? My mind is too simple to grasp.

 

[grayeyes]

Bald, I would take anything said by "Huckster" Kevin Jodfrey with MOUTHFULS of salt. He wants big Canna to hire him. He doesn't want you growing anything as he feels you are getting in his pocket.

 

[Funkentelechy]

All wide leaf is evolved from narrow leaf.
So everything is sativa..... if were talking about heritage.
Just as all people evolved from darker skinned bipeds.
But why categorize everything? Is your mind too simple to grasp the bigger picture?

To be clear, if we are talking about humans then I agree 110%. But when we're talking about cultivated crops labeling and categorization, something that limits our understanding of each other, is fundamental to our understanding of how to improve crops and our ability to cultivate them.
Sorry for being so snarky in my previous response.

 

[Hook Daddy]

I can see the point of view of not caring about the plant’s lineage from people that have smoked hybrids their whole lives. I see people saying they will not waste time growing sativas because they take too long all the time. It’s a shame, indica and sativa have a distinctly different high, and people that keep promoting hybrids are blending that difference away. I gave some of my Laughing Buddha to a few friends that smoke all the time, day and night. They were amazed and said they didn’t even know weed could have that effect, and definitely wanted more. I won’t go on and on, but one of the first things I look for in seeds is the lineage and sativa to indica ratio, leaning towards plants that have not been crossed from a landrace more than a few generations. I don’t care if they take 20 weeks in flower, it’s worth the wait. I don’t mind an indica buzz before bed, but during the day it’s sativas all the way.