Elons Little Plan

Bagginski

Well-Known Member
Being a geek at heart...The question is, is muck more like a megalomaniacal genius with no ethics or morals, who tends to hold grudges for a long time, and isn't afraid to go after those he considers enemies? Or, is he more like an over privileged trust fund kid who was smart enough to actually do something, but can't control his addictions?
Both wrong, it's already well established that he IS Hank Scorpio
Just a rich kid who thinks he’s smart…and doesn’t realize that the money he had access to made up for his lack of snap in making things happen. Every time he tries to actually RUN something, he fails spectacularly: his empty ramblings on AI are jaw-dropping, and he’s acting out his meltdown live on Twitter daily, and Tesla is beginning to seem riddled with ‘E-Ron accommodations’ that promote cascading failures.

Almost single-handedly Husk makes a solid case for nationalization as an agreed-upon public policy: his whimsical control of Twitter and Starlink in specific as cases in point, but I’ll go into Starlink a little.

Starlink is turning out to be sort of good, sort of bad, and sort of necessary: globally-accessible internet is a practical necessity going forward, and Starlink has shown proof-of-concept and better (as the satisfaction of a series of technical challenges); its essentially mindless distribution of the satellites required, however, is turning them into navigational wild-cards, it’s expected they’ll be interfering with ongoing placement of future satellites.

By nationalizing Starlink, the numerous deficiencies that have come to light over the last …18 months could be not only corrected, but armored against attack, the Starlink ‘orbit zone’ could be straightened out without the usual nickel+diming, an essential piece of infrastructure brought under regulation & oversight, and a lack of plain-view extortion going forward could all be achieved.

Likewise, Twitter is arguably essential infrastructure at this point - and both economically and socially we’d be best served by Twitter being subject to regulation and oversight (in much the same way as we’d benefit from a definition of ‘news’ that news services could be held to).

We’ve considered the question of essential infrastructure ever since electrification & radio, and our one-time solutions, the electric utilities & the FCC, were marvels of publicly owned-and-controlled services and the idea got extended to cover gas & water, too. It was only during the Reagan era, when EVERYTHING became a profit center, that the utilities were allowed to convert themselves into for-profit corporations like any other, and go hunting.

How ‘s everybody’s utility rates? Free market make all that better?

The internet, and the now-essential services it makes possible, is too important to be left piecemeal to the marketplace, driving the consideration of ways to incorporate these important features without spend ping centuries with an untold number of monopolistic boots on our collective necks.

Husk et al is just an egregious example
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Just a rich kid who thinks he’s smart…and doesn’t realize that the money he had access to made up for his lack of snap in making things happen. Every time he tries to actually RUN something, he fails spectacularly: his empty ramblings on AI are jaw-dropping, and he’s acting out his meltdown live on Twitter daily, and Tesla is beginning to seem riddled with ‘E-Ron accommodations’ that promote cascading failures.

Almost single-handedly Husk makes a solid case for nationalization as an agreed-upon public policy: his whimsical control of Twitter and Starlink in specific as cases in point, but I’ll go into Starlink a little.

Starlink is turning out to be sort of good, sort of bad, and sort of necessary: globally-accessible internet is a practical necessity going forward, and Starlink has shown proof-of-concept and better (as the satisfaction of a series of technical challenges); its essentially mindless distribution of the satellites required, however, is turning them into navigational wild-cards, it’s expected they’ll be interfering with ongoing placement of future satellites.

By nationalizing Starlink, the numerous deficiencies that have come to light over the last …18 months could be not only corrected, but armored against attack, the Starlink ‘orbit zone’ could be straightened out without the usual nickel+diming, an essential piece of infrastructure brought under regulation & oversight, and a lack of plain-view extortion going forward could all be achieved.

Likewise, Twitter is arguably essential infrastructure at this point - and both economically and socially we’d be best served by Twitter being subject to regulation and oversight (in much the same way as we’d benefit from a definition of ‘news’ that news services could be held to).

We’ve considered the question of essential infrastructure ever since electrification & radio, and our one-time solutions, the electric utilities & the FCC, were marvels of publicly owned-and-controlled services and the idea got extended to cover gas & water, too. It was only during the Reagan era, when EVERYTHING became a profit center, that the utilities were allowed to convert themselves into for-profit corporations like any other, and go hunting.

How ‘s everybody’s utility rates? Free market make all that better?

The internet, and the now-essential services it makes possible, is too important to be left piecemeal to the marketplace, driving the consideration of ways to incorporate these important features without spend ping centuries with an untold number of monopolistic boots on our collective necks.

Husk et al is just an egregious example
I deeply dislike LarStink and swarmsats in general.

For a guy obsessed with “assassination coordinates”, he sure is helping us radiate into the unknown. Strong odors draw scavengers, and I’m disinclined to believe that an advanced alien species is necessarily a nice one.
First contact is likelier to be Borg or Kzin than Vulcans.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Just a rich kid who thinks he’s smart…and doesn’t realize that the money he had access to made up for his lack of snap in making things happen. Every time he tries to actually RUN something, he fails spectacularly: his empty ramblings on AI are jaw-dropping, and he’s acting out his meltdown live on Twitter daily, and Tesla is beginning to seem riddled with ‘E-Ron accommodations’ that promote cascading failures.

Almost single-handedly Husk makes a solid case for nationalization as an agreed-upon public policy: his whimsical control of Twitter and Starlink in specific as cases in point, but I’ll go into Starlink a little.

Starlink is turning out to be sort of good, sort of bad, and sort of necessary: globally-accessible internet is a practical necessity going forward, and Starlink has shown proof-of-concept and better (as the satisfaction of a series of technical challenges); its essentially mindless distribution of the satellites required, however, is turning them into navigational wild-cards, it’s expected they’ll be interfering with ongoing placement of future satellites.

By nationalizing Starlink, the numerous deficiencies that have come to light over the last …18 months could be not only corrected, but armored against attack, the Starlink ‘orbit zone’ could be straightened out without the usual nickel+diming, an essential piece of infrastructure brought under regulation & oversight, and a lack of plain-view extortion going forward could all be achieved.

Likewise, Twitter is arguably essential infrastructure at this point - and both economically and socially we’d be best served by Twitter being subject to regulation and oversight (in much the same way as we’d benefit from a definition of ‘news’ that news services could be held to).

We’ve considered the question of essential infrastructure ever since electrification & radio, and our one-time solutions, the electric utilities & the FCC, were marvels of publicly owned-and-controlled services and the idea got extended to cover gas & water, too. It was only during the Reagan era, when EVERYTHING became a profit center, that the utilities were allowed to convert themselves into for-profit corporations like any other, and go hunting.

How ‘s everybody’s utility rates? Free market make all that better?

The internet, and the now-essential services it makes possible, is too important to be left piecemeal to the marketplace, driving the consideration of ways to incorporate these important features without spend ping centuries with an untold number of monopolistic boots on our collective necks.

Husk et al is just an egregious example
Technology empowers the individual and if you are wealthy, it benefits you the most, because you can afford the productive technology. If a factory or office that employed a hundred humans is automated or uses AI, it is the owner who benefits from the cost savings, the people are disposable. An economy is an ecosystem, and it needs to operate in a balanced way, like an ecosystem and not have corruption, historic and present distort the playing field. Extreme wealth inequality is bad for democracy, bad for society, bad for the people, bad for politics, bad for the economy and just bad in general. Money is power too and can buy politicians, prosecutors and judges, and historically has, but only a tiny fraction can be proved.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
I deeply dislike LarStink and swarmsats in general.

For a guy obsessed with “assassination coordinates”, he sure is helping us radiate into the unknown. Strong odors draw scavengers, and I’m disinclined to believe that an advanced alien species is necessarily a nice one.
First contact is likelier to be Borg or Kzin than Vulcans.
it could be Pierson's Puppeteers...with the arrogance to breed species to their specifications, clandestinely...
 

Bagginski

Well-Known Member
I deeply dislike LarStink and swarmsats in general.

For a guy obsessed with “assassination coordinates”, he sure is helping us radiate into the unknown. Strong odors draw scavengers, and I’m disinclined to believe that an advanced alien species is necessarily a nice one.
First contact is likelier to be Borg or Kzin than Vulcans.
There’s a lot to dislike about it IMO
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Shartsip scrubbed; 48h turnaround
Just like tesla, muck would never consider just cancelling something till they work out the problems...He would send a guy out to tighten a screw with the motors belching fire.
But, i hope he fails spectacularly...If he is successful, we'll eventually have to deal with him trying to claim ownership of the moon or mars, and then we'll have to actually wipe him and his drones out of existence....I say why wait for the inevitable, get rid of his entire "empire" now, lock, stock, and ruler...
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Just like tesla, muck would never consider just cancelling something till they work out the problems...He would send a guy out to tighten a screw with the motors belching fire.
But, i hope he fails spectacularly...If he is successful, we'll eventually have to deal with him trying to claim ownership of the moon or mars, and then we'll have to actually wipe him and his drones out of existence....I say why wait for the inevitable, get rid of his entire "empire" now, lock, stock, and ruler...
Spacex is the one enterprise of his that seems to be working. Even if Shartsip hits its numbers, it needs a buttload of refueling flights to get out of Earth orbit. So while it is billed as “interplanetary”, it can’t even put a payload into GTO without an on-orbit fueling.

I think this is an intermediate design, and probably perfect for orbital tourism once the kinks are unkunk.

But for lunar or planetary work, the next and even bigger vehicle will be much more suitable.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Spacex is the one enterprise of his that seems to be working. Even if Shartsip hits its numbers, it needs a buttload of refueling flights to get out of Earth orbit. So while it is billed as “interplanetary”, it can’t even put a payload into GTO without an on-orbit fueling.

I think this is an intermediate design, and probably perfect for orbital tourism once the kinks are unkunk.

But for lunar or planetary work, the next and even bigger vehicle will be much more suitable.
it sure seems like there ought to be a safer, cheaper, more environmentally friendly way of throwing a payload into orbit than just brute force with very little finesse...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-throws-out-wild-claim-in-tucker-carlson-interview

First, it was a tucker carlson interview...which pretty much invalidates it as containing any useful information.
Second, muck is a serial liar, it has become obvious...He jumps to erroneous conclusions habitually, and then refuses to back down, even when it's obvious to everyone involved that he is wrong, doubling down on stupid issues.
i can't believe this one asshole has driven almost 100 pages of responses.
 
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