KNF and IMO "Indigenous Microorganisms"

[MAGpie81]

Black plastic mulching. Warms the soil and conserves water. I was going to use that method this year but didn't get around to it. I'm definitely going to use it next year as anything that reduces the need for water is a good thing here out west. It can last for multiple years. It's used on large scale farming as well.

Some of it is biodegradable.

I’m down with it if it’s made with easily degradable plastic.
Saving/holding water is absolutely a good thing- I personally prefer cover cropping or a good leafy top-layer, but I recognize that home-scale is different than production in many ways.
I’m just already disgusted at the amount of petrol plastic and micro-plastics already polluting our land and that we rely so heavily on them in gardening and agriculture.
Full disclosure- while I’ve been getting rid of as much plastic as I can on my property, I did weedtarp the top of a bed last year with some old plastic from my folks era here. I cut holes and planted tomatoes and chickpeas in them.
No weeds, so that’s cool, but to me the trouble of mulching or weeding is a better option for my tastes.
Plain brown cardboard is a nice option, too.
Anyhoo, not trying to harsh on anyone’s ways, but if you can find bio-plastic in a price affordable to you, I’d say get it.
-Happy Growing!

 

[MAGpie81]

Not in the slightest, considering this is a forum for growing and talking about weed, and not an eco-activist forum for talking about carbon credits, protesting pipelines and shoving things up our butts (which all know goes hand in hand ). What a silly question. If it makes you feel better it could easily be cloth mulching, which iirc Cho liked better than plastic for its breathability - keeps the soil cooler in summer, lets gasses exchange etc, although Cho has used and recommended plastic mulching as a valuable tool in maintaining soil health. He talks about both in the orange book. JADAM isn't an ecological movement and afaik they don't make a point of making any claims on being "responsible land stewards" (lol), so it's kinda dumb of you to spread FUD based on what "seems" to be true when you admit you're only just starting to dive into it. It's a farming system designed to make farming accessible to poor and remote farmers who are crippled by their dependence on chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. The kinds that kill the natural soil life that helps their plants protect and feed themselves, which leads to increased weed and pest pressure and decreased yields, thus inceasing the need for the chemical companies' products to fix their self-made mess (real convenient for the ag corps aint it?)

That is to say: JADAM is about reducing costs, improving profits, and flipping the bird to our corporate overlords (cho's self admitted greatest inspirations are Karl Marx and Jesus Christ fyi); it just so happens that working with nature is cheaper and more effective than trying to force-feed and poison all your problems away. Who'da thunk? But after all that, beyond the xenoestrogen question I wouldn't worry about plastic that's designed to be reused as much as all the bottles and such that end up floating in the ocean, and don't let one thing that rubs you the wrong way turn you off from all the other useful information that you could be adding to your practices that achieve the goals you're aiming for.

Didn’t mean to get you all in a tizzy there, bud.
You’re full of assumptions.
I made one assumption on JADAM based on their mission statement and the meaning of JADAM as an acronym.
Read the last bit of their mission statement-

JADAM ORGANIC

JADAM ORGANIC

www.jadam.us

That’s all I have to say to you.

 

[xtsho]

I'm still making my own fertilizers. Just made some wood and bone ash. Good source of P, K, Ca, Mg, and other stuff. I make my own Pho broth so I have a steady supply of bones. The wood is from the yard and chemical free.

Ended up just shy of 3 pounds after crushing it up. I have a bunch of tree trimming to do so Instead of tossing that in the yard debris bin I'll make more ash and spread it around the yard and garden. I have completely gone to a self sustaining model in my yard and garden. Absolutely no commercial fertilizer. My garden did just as good as it ever has and some plants did better. It was an odd year though and the heatwave topping out at a record 116° F wasn't great for some plants.

I didn't use any commercial fertilizer on my outdoor cannabis either just JLF and JMS and they did just fine.

I waste nothing. Everything that can goes back into the garden or soil I mix up for cannabis. This isn't for everyone. You need at least a small yard and some time. But I have both of those and I find this very rewarding and I also like knowing that I'm not wasting anything in today's throw away society. Plus I'm saving money.

If I had this hooked up in the house I would be able to make ash and heat at the same time. You can even cook on the top.

 

[Tangerine_]

I missed this thread somehow. Lots of good info and pics in here.

I'm mixing up a batch of labs today and then off to to check the cranberry bogs. We do a dry pic before we flood. I'll try to upload some pics before and after we flood the bogs.

Black plastic mulching. Warms the soil and conserves water. I was going to use that method this year but didn't get around to it. I'm definitely going to use it next year as anything that reduces the need for water is a good thing here out west. It can last for multiple years. It's used on large scale farming as well.

Some of it is biodegradable.

Yes. We've used this for several years. The biodegradable is relatively easy to find nowadays too.

I'm still making my own fertilizers. Just made some wood and bone ash. Good source of P, K, Ca, Mg, and other stuff. I make my own Pho broth so I have a steady supply of bones. The wood is from the yard and chemical free.

Ended up just shy of 3 pounds after crushing it up. I have a bunch of tree trimming to do so Instead of tossing that in the yard debris bin I'll make more ash and spread it around the yard and garden. I have completely gone to a self sustaining model in my yard and garden. Absolutely no commercial fertilizer. My garden did just as good as it ever has and some plants did better. It was an odd year though and the heatwave topping out at a record 116° F wasn't great for some plants.

I didn't use any commercial fertilizer on my outdoor cannabis either just JLF and JMS and they did just fine.

I waste nothing. Everything that can goes back into the garden or soil I mix up for cannabis. This isn't for everyone. You need at least a small yard and some time. But I have both of those and I find this very rewarding and I also like knowing that I'm not wasting anything in today's throw away society. Plus I'm saving money.

If I had this hooked up in the house I would be able to make ash and heat at the same time. You can even cook on the top.

There is nothing quite like wood heat.

 

[Dreminen169]

If I had this hooked up in the house I would be able to make ash and heat at the same time. You can even cook on the top.

Then I don’t see what your waiting on…
My buddy has a wood burning stove like that & uses it to heat his house and he absolutely loves it, won’t stop talking about it & the money he saves not having to use his furnace

 

[xtsho]

Then I don’t see what your waiting on…
My buddy has a wood burning stove like that & uses it to heat his house and he absolutely loves it, won’t stop talking about it & the money he saves not having to use his furnace

I'd like to but this is an older model and isn't certified for use in Portland. They have some regulations and you can get fined. Nobody is going to install an uncertified wood stove and I'm not going to do it myself.

Funny thing is, I never even really wanted a wood stove. I had a friend going through some rough times and I was trying to help them out financially. They wouldn't take my money unless they gave something. That was one of the items I got. Then I pulled my back lifting it and was bedridden for almost a week. It's been sitting in the same spot on the patio ever since.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

Then I don’t see what your waiting on…
My buddy has a wood burning stove like that & uses it to heat his house and he absolutely loves it, won’t stop talking about it & the money he saves not having to use his furnace

Especially now with the price of natural gas.

 

[Dreminen169]

I'd like to but this is an older model and isn't certified for use in Portland. They have some regulations and you can get fined. Nobody is going to install an uncertified wood stove and I'm not going to do it myself.

Funny thing is, I never even really wanted a wood stove. I had a friend going through some rough times and I was trying to help them out financially. They wouldn't take my money unless they gave something. That was one of the items I got. Then I pulled my back lifting it and was bedridden for almost a week. It's been sitting in the same spot on the patio ever since.

Damn, sorry to hear that. Like the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.

I’ve found that sour diesel, kush (doesn’t necessarily have to be OG), & blueberry are great for pain relief. Also something with a high CBD ratio would also be beneficial

 

[xtsho]

Damn, sorry to hear that. Like the saying goes, no good deed goes unpunished.

I’ve found that sour diesel, kush (doesn’t necessarily have to be OG), & blueberry are great for pain relief. Also something with a high CBD ratio would also be beneficial

It happened a long time ago. That damn stove has been sitting there for a few years now. It weighs about 160 pounds. It was the way I pulled it out of the trunk. I felt it immediately and knew I was going to have issues later. It didn't hurt right away but I knew from previous experience. It sucked

One of those "Gently slide your legs to the edge of the bed" injuries.

I have my trusty Night Nurse strain that works wonders for insomnia and pain. Good CBD content and a decent amount of THC. It's the only hybrid I grow regularly and always have some on hand. Just a small plant tossed into the flower tent every couple of grows is all I need. I typically smoke lower THC strains as I don't like to be zonked so the Night Nurse is something I only smoke in the evening when going to bed.

Makes me sleep like a baby.

 

[Skidmark908020]

I finally just looked up JADAM, and being a nitpicky (when it comes to people making great claims) kind-of-person, I want to ask-

Does anybody else think it’s not agreeable for someone who seems to be claiming responsible land-stewardship, to be using what looks like plastic weed-block tarping on their growing mounds?

Hopefully someone tells me, “No, that’s a biodegradable material made using low- or no-carbon footprint methods”…

-picture here cropped from JADAM website-View attachment 4968368

I have the book and asked my self the same question also this method he teaches here he clames to be notill however the first pic he's there with a rototiller iv made jms tho and it worked so I just have to laugh and take things with a grain of salt

 

[simpleleaf]

Nice thread @xtsho. I practice pesticide-free gardening outside on my avocado trees, I use both synthetic fertilizers and massive amounts of homemade mulch & compost. Since I was young I wanted to grow plants hydroponically and had experimented with it off and on. I now grow cannabis indoors with hydroponic nutrients combined with sanitized potting mix. My nutrient formulas still have some deficiencies which I learned of this last grow while severely restricting EC (PPM). So, while reading up on humic and fulvic acids, I happened upon a PDF of KNF recipes, CHO is mentioned. This seems like a good thread to share the PDF, hope you find it helpful.

https://biblioteca.matinhocheiroso.com/KNF,%20JADAM/KNF%20Recipe%20Book%20-%20PureKNF%20Org.pdf

 

[xtsho]

Nice thread @xtsho. I practice pesticide-free gardening outside on my avocado trees, I use both synthetic fertilizers and massive amounts of homemade mulch & compost. Since I was young I wanted to grow plants hydroponically and had experimented with it off and on. I now grow cannabis indoors with hydroponic nutrients combined with sanitized potting mix. My nutrient formulas still have some deficiencies which I learned of this last grow while severely restricting EC (PPM). So, while reading up on humic and fulvic acids, I happened upon a PDF of KNF recipes, CHO is mentioned. This seems like a good thread to share the PDF, hope you find it helpful.

https://biblioteca.matinhocheiroso.com/KNF,%20JADAM/KNF%20Recipe%20Book%20-%20PureKNF%20Org.pdf

That's a great PDF. Lots of recipes. Good stuff. I've changed some of what I do these days. I make JADAM JMS instead of the KNF IMO as it's much simpler and quicker. Just a couple potatoes, a handful of sea salt, and some leaf mold in a bucket of water for a day or 2. Then just apply. I make a bucket every week or so during the growing season and apply it all over the garden.

My indoor cannabis is still mostly coco or soil and synthetics. I don't grow indoors during the summer so when I start back up in fall I'm just looking for a quick and easy way to grow some plants, makes some crosses/seeds, and take it easy. That's why I really like the Blumats and coco. I can go days without even looking at my plants and they're fine.

 

[peerow]

Has anyone ever tried making fpj from nopal leaves of prickly pear cactus? I made some and am being a tea with it.

 

[peerow]

Oh, I forgot to add that the fpj is super slimy to the degree that when I scoop it out of the bucket it tends to slide right out of the spoon

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Newly and slowly converting to KNF lifestyle. Did an FPJ last year and last month made my first batch of LAB. I'm wanting to get into JAM a little bit but don't know much about it really. I saw a Youtube vid (the viking) where he just dipped some leaf fungus (fallen leaves from under trees that have decomposed) in a gallon of water and said that was good enough to inoculate your soil. I drove up the mountains to find the "good stuff" and to my surprise, or maybe I shouldn't have been surprised, found a network of fungi under some leaves and wooden branches. It was really cool to find. My question is, can i use it to make something to water my soil with? Or is that just mold I'm looking at?

 

[peerow]

That's what you're looking for. It's definitely mycelium

 

[Week4@inCharge]

That's what you're looking for. It's definitely mycelium

I had someone telling me it wasn't that it was just a fungus... but I trust your judgement over his for some reason.. :edit
Turns out mycelium is a fungus...lol...wow.

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Another question.. I've been doing the EWC teas my last few grows. The idea is that we're brewing for beneficial bacteria that help break down organic matter. Why do we need IMO for that then? Do we need IMO2 if we're already brewing teas? And if one decides, could they forgo the teas and just use IMO2?

EDIT: Took me a minute but I figured it out. Fungal network is a highway system for the rootzone. It will break down nutrients and send it to the working bacteria at the rootzone.

 

[Kushfrenzy]

Question: Would it be possible to replace BRV with Banana Hibiscus Raw Living Vinegar or use Wood Vinegar?

 

[Week4@inCharge]

Question: Would it be possible to replace BRV with Banana Hibiscus Raw Living Vinegar or use Wood Vinegar?

I'm thinking the BRV was the popular choice of the original recipe, in my opinion, any vinegar will be good. I use apple cider vinegar.