What Would an Evangelical Christian Country Be Like

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TheWholeTruth

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Did you watch the video I posted on the academic study of the bible by textual scholars? Learn some history of the times? Alexander the great and how King Herod was one of his leftovers used by the Romans who came 60 years before Jesus. His country was largely Hellenized and Jesus, while working as a craftsman in Nazareth, may have travelled to the Greek city of Sepphoris for work purposes, possibly with his father and brothers, since it was only a couple of miles away. Jesus probably spoke some Greek and Hebrew, but mostly Aramaic.

The bible you probably refer to is the KJV the major English protestant text compiled by a committee of scholars and published in 1611. Even for its time it used an archaic form of English that gave it gravitas, much of it is a copy of Tyndale's earlier work, for which he was executed.

Contrary to the belief of many American Christians, Jesus did not speak English, a language much less than 1000 years old, Tyndale's bible was written as English was spoken 500 years or more ago. There were and many versions and books of the bible in circulation and in recent decades scholars have accessed many of the earliest and pieced some facts together using logic and reason.
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I think there are fragments of the bible that go back some time, I think first or second century ad. There are some differences like some addition in the modern version and some bits missing but not major. I think the manuscripts are in greek.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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CANON_Grow said:
How is it off the rails? It's a literal example of the question posed in the thread title, it would be bat shit crazy. Lol
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This isn't supposed to be a theological discussion but a discussion about the country being run by bible-thumping magarats

I read the bible 50 years ago and this isn't book club so let's talk about the latest outrageous thing the repubs are doing to revert the country to a more fascist leaning.

Think I'll wander over to see how the War is doing. Ain't no god there.

:peace:
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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bursto said:
all i did was read a book, its hard to have a conversation about a book with people that refuse to pick it up and find out whats in it,

who then quote pathetic memes
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i read the book, it was contradictory, cruel, and full of horrible advice for modern people.
it's hard for you to hold a conversation with me about it because i don't like you and have you on ignore 90% of the time.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
OldMedUser said:
This isn't supposed to be a theological discussion but a discussion about the country being run by bible-thumping magarats

I read the bible 50 years ago and this isn't book club so let's talk about the latest outrageous thing the repubs are doing to revert the country to a more fascist leaning.

Think I'll wander over to see how the War is doing. Ain't no god there.

:peace:
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would it be over the line to point out the negative atheist/foxhole correlation?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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TheWholeTruth said:
Well the Sumerian kings list shows something very similar. Kings living incredibly long but as time moves on the kings lives seem to get shorter.

And it is technically possible to create a ark and hold animals like that. You kust hold the dna. Maybe a drop of blood or a patch of living skin kept in the right conditions would work.
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The Sumerian kings list is a load of horseshit, and so is the bible...people NEVER have lived past 120 or so, and that is the EXTREME upper end of the human lifespan...period.
People's lives have been getting progressively longer the closer you get to modern times, with better nutrition and medical care. To think the lives of ancient kings and religious figures was many, MANY times longer than anyone elses is is just plain ignoring facts and common sense.
If you wish to live a life ruled by myth, lies, superstition, and poor translation, feel free...just keep it to yourself.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
or maybe it just needs to be shut the fuck down.
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It will fade away, the worst thing you can do to a religion is to make it a state religion supported by taxpayers. In Europe many of the churches are supported by the state and look what happened to them, the same thing happened with Buddhism in India when Ashoka made it one. The same thing is probably happening in Iran now. I think in America the lack of a state church led to more religious lunatics than if you had one. In any case religions are being subsumed by modern culture and science, the spread of globalism and multiculturalism. New fruit cake beliefs are springing up like Qanon and flat earth for the seriously stupid. Imagine what it was like in ancient times before the printing press when things went mostly by word of mouth, every county had its own language or dialect as well as its own deities.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
The Sumerian kings list is a load of horseshit, and so is the bible...people NEVER have lived past 120 or so, and that is the EXTREME upper end of the human lifespan...period.
People's lives have been getting progressively longer the closer you get to modern times, with better nutrition and medical care. To think the lives of ancient kings and religious figures was many, MANY times longer than anyone elses is is just plain ignoring facts and common sense.
If you wish to live a life ruled by myth, lies, superstition, and poor translation, feel free...just keep it to yourself.
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I don’t get the vibe that he was saying the Sumerian kings list is any more true. What it does is show precedent and parallel for the mythic structure used. Sort of along the lines of pointing out the similarities between Genesis and the epic of Gilgamesh. I could be wrong.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
I don’t get the vibe that he was saying the Sumerian kings list is any more true. What it does is show precedent and parallel for the mythic structure used. Sort of along the lines of pointing out the similarities between Genesis and the epic of Gilgamesh. I could be wrong.
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If that's the case, then, sorry...
but he did also posit the possibility of a "genetic ark"...when at the time of the supposed event, the existence of dna was unknown.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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cannabineer said:
would it be over the line to point out the negative atheist/foxhole correlation?
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The guy who came up with that line was indoctrinated at birth so of course he's going to think that way.

I was lucky as my parents gave up trying to get me to chill out in church or sunday school when I was 5 or 6 and left it to us kids to decide if we wanted religion when we were old enough to make up our own minds.

The most messed up people I've ever met in my life came from a strong religious upbringing. I was allowed to mess myself up in my own way. :)

It was a Presbyterian church we went to. Mom and dad would go into the church and my sister and I would be down in the basement for re-education there but it never took for either of us.

:peace:
 
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