OK then. Biden 2020.

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Yes, I did, it didn't answer my question. I'm not really interested in hearing individual complaints. Although I'm not dismissing them, I'm just not all that sensitive to what people say who make a lot of money, don't have to worry about getting laid off at any moment, have sick pay, have vacation, have a strong union at their back. Most in this country don't have that. I wanted to know what their union had agreed to. In this situation, it's the contract that drives everything, not personal stories. They should tell their story to the janitors in LA and see how it is received.

That said, I'm not pro-railroad company either. I found this as the most recent policy that was posted online dated May 31, 2022 It is the policy that according to the source has either been revoked or is still in place.

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It sucks. No question. It sucks and is at least 50 years behind the times in terms of providing employees work-life balance. If this is what is in place, it's a disgrace. I think it is, too.

According to the unions:

Unions complained that to manage a shortfall of employees, the carriers effectively forced their members to remain on call for days and sometimes weeks at a time, partly through the use of strict attendance policies that could lead to disciplinary action or even firing. They said the policies pushed workers to the limits of their physical and mental health.

Workers Say Railroads’ Efficiency Push Became Too Much

According to the rail industry's National Railway Labor Conference

BARGAINING STATUS FAQ – DECEMBER 2022

Rail employees receive up to five weeks of vacation in addition to up to 14 paid holidays and/or paid leave days (all depending on craft and seniority). They also participate in a carrier-funded federal sickness benefit program, and many have access to other benefits under existing labor agreements.

Operating craft employees also can “mark off” – or temporarily remove themselves from service – for any reason, as long as they maintain a reasonable level of overall availability under carrier attendance policies.

The new agreements with the operating craft unions also include provisions regarding time away from work for routine and preventive medical care and provide that absences related to hospitalizations and surgeries are not counted toward normal attendance handling.


There is a new tentative agreement that may or may not supersede the anachronistic Hi-Viz attendance policy of May 31 but I can't access it because I'm not a member of the union. The bargaining status faq says all sorts of rosy things about the new agreement. BUT it all depends on what the attendance policy is. If it's the one that was struck in May, then the RR workers have a valid complaint.

To me, the main sticking point that did not change is unions say the RR companies are maintaining a skeleton crew. Hence the shitty and harsh attendance policies. Hence the tired workers, hence the safety concerns, hence the need for Congress to continue to work to resolve this issue.

So, yeah, this sucks, is a stain on the Biden administration and all the highfallutin words he said was just fluff.
These guys title their link like this, but they then go on to talk about “personal days” which are subject to supervisor discretion. The whole point of sick days is that you cannot schedule them in advance.

 

Fogdog

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I do need to point out that you said it’s all there. My own searches have not turned the info up. Considering the thousands of journalist-hours the topic has soaked up, the absence of a summary in concise, perhaps tabular format stands out.

On duckness, DNA is probably unnecessary (and a bit of a loaded question), but a photo with a scale object would be of value.
The Hi-Viz attendance policy, dated May 31 is the most recent version I could find online. See my post, above.
 

Fogdog

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These guys title their link like this, but they then go on to talk about “personal days” which are subject to supervisor discretion. The whole point of sick days is that you cannot schedule them in advance.

I saw that and felt like it was more intended to confuse than inform the reader. In my world of tech, we call that bafflegab.

Near as I can tell, if a person gets sick on the day they were supposed to be available, they get demerits counted against them if they don't show up even if they called in that day. They have to schedule their sick days. :confused:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I saw that and felt like it was more intended to confuse than inform the reader. In my world of tech, we call that bafflegab.

Near as I can tell, if a person gets sick on the day they were supposed to be available, they get demerits counted against them if they don't show up. They have to schedule their sick days.
Bing. Real sick days are not subject to supervisor veto.
 

EmeraldØsiris

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Yes it's true. Some Canadians traveled to the US to get a medical treatment.

Do you know how many traveled for a medical treatment? 63,000 traveled abroad for a medical treatment. Abroad. How many traveled abroad for illegal or procedures considered frivolous and therefore not covered? IDK but you don't either. That's 63,000 people, an unknown number traveling for frivolous procedures traveled abroad, not just the US but abroad. 63,000 out of 38,000,000 people traveled abroad. Meanwhile more than 70% of adults in Canada are proud of their health care system.

I'm sorry if this post seems like it's mocking you. It's just that if your post was intended to say that Canada has shit medical system it should make people who know the facts laugh.
63,000 people? That's a lot of people.
 

Budley Doright

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63,000 people? That's a lot of people.
Most were for elective surgeries I would assume. I doubt there are lineups for proven life saving procedures. (I was a short 3 weeks waiting for vascular surgery). Is the provincial healthcare system without flaws, nope. But it’s worked well for me and my family. I was recently fired without cause and all healthcare benefits canceled (soon to be reinstated, thanks to a great lawyer) and if not for our healthcare system I’d probably be homeless or dead so yay lol. And just a side note. It was an American investment group that bought and gutted the company.
 

schuylaar

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He's just trolling. He thinks his troll makes him seem smart. It does, to himself.

I think it's Joe's nomination to take at this time. What I think about that is irrelevant. In the primary, I'll probably vote for somebody else because I'm not a centrist. I vote for who I want in the primary and vote tactically in the fall.

That said, as a person who wants to see progress toward a more equitable and secure society in the US, I'm satisfied with what Biden has done so far.
A Republican? Everyone is expected to stand behind the incumbent should there be one; there will be no one else on the Dem side if he's the incumbent. I'm going to say Joe is going for it because he's killing it; see SOTU.

Polls are not shows. They are meant to move you because no one wants to vote for a loser. Polls are the ultimate in voter suppression.
 
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schuylaar

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Most were for elective surgeries I would assume. I doubt there are lineups for proven life saving procedures. (I was a short 3 weeks waiting for vascular surgery). Is the provincial healthcare system without flaws, nope. But it’s worked well for me and my family. I was recently fired without cause and all healthcare benefits canceled (soon to be reinstated, thanks to a great lawyer) and if not for our healthcare system I’d probably be homeless or dead so yay lol. And just a side note. It was an American investment group that bought and gutted the company.
Florida in the past here..seizure on the road while on the way to a client. Lost job, car, home and SSDI wanted to know which other resources I had..a doorway?

No medical you walk around sick.

May God Bless Americorp!

It's hard to believe one moment you're a productive citizen, then your complete existence becomes transactional the next.
 
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schuylaar

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I'm not sure, I don't vote for Republicans. And why did you put unionism in quotes?
Because he doesn't believe you. Apparently in the past, you've made statement(s) that would be considered anti union. Don't ask which, I've had you on IGNORE for a year when you told me to put you back from the prior year. So it's a new you, for me. You've had two years to grow am I'm interested in what you have to say now.

+He's trolling you.
 

PJ Diaz

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Because he doesn't believe you. Apparently in the past, you've made statement(s) that would be considered anti union. Don't ask which, I've had you on IGNORE for a year when you told me to put you back from the prior year. So it's a new you, for me. You've had two years to grow am I'm interested in what you have to say now.

+He's trolling you.
Perhaps it's because I was critical of an action at UCSC some years ago, with an unlawful wildcat strike coming from a small group of students who were unhappy with the contract they were working under. Their own union leaders were unhappy with the students' wildcat strike, and condemned it. Striking in the middle of a contract isn't right, unless the agreement is being violated, which wasn't the situation in that case. I don't see how that opinion would make me anti-union, but of course it's been twisted and contorted.
 

EmeraldØsiris

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Most were for elective surgeries I would assume. I doubt there are lineups for proven life saving procedures. (I was a short 3 weeks waiting for vascular surgery). Is the provincial healthcare system without flaws, nope. But it’s worked well for me and my family. I was recently fired without cause and all healthcare benefits canceled (soon to be reinstated, thanks to a great lawyer) and if not for our healthcare system I’d probably be homeless or dead so yay lol. And just a side note. It was an American investment group that bought and gutted the company.
Fired without cause? They can do that in Canada? Well, unless they deny you access I guess you could say that about any HC system. I've experience good and bad HC... This one time I broke my leg in 2 places and I waited in a hospital bed for 5 days before they operated on me because they deemed me as an addict and therefore was of less priority. I got 3 blood clots, staph infection which almost killed me 2 yrs later, and my leg was stuck in 90 degree bend and had to be broken into full flex. Yay socialism


I'm not bagging on CA, but you PM is a douche.
 

Budley Doright

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Fired without cause? They can do that in Canada? Well, unless they deny you access I guess you could say that about any HC system. I've experience good and bad HC... This one time I broke my leg in 2 places and I waited in a hospital bed for 5 days before they operated on me because they deemed me as an addict and therefore was of less priority. I got 3 blood clots, staph infection which almost killed me 2 yrs later, and my leg was stuck in 90 degree bend and had to be broken into full flex. Yay socialism


I'm not bagging on CA, but you PM is a douche.
Yes they can, and are responsible to pay severance to a typical max of two years plus a few other things, if court awarded. But that’s a long story lol. And side note I’m happy the cocksuckers did it. Enjoying retirement!!!! That sucks re your experience but in any of my visits to the hospital the addicts seemed to be getting very good healthcare at the time (lots of meth in our city). (In here right now lol). I doubt that is the case here as they need beds so keeping you in one is not what they do. The system in the US works very well if you have insurance from what I hear, but I have also heard a few nightmarish situations of not having it.
 

Offmymeds

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Right. Canada's health care system doesn't cover dental work. You'll be one of 63,000 people that Emerald was trying to use to imply Canada's system is shit. Of course, you are travelling for a procedure that is not offered and so his statement doesn't apply to you but he was lumping you into his number without regard to reasons.
I live in Florida. I have friends living here that traveled to South Carolina because it's less than half the price here in Florida. Dental and mental health extremely important and are just ignored. Dental work has gotten especially expensive as small practices got acquired by greedy sharks.
 

Highway61

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I'd be afraid. Tenant in my building went for colonoscopy on a Monday, they perforated his bowel, dead by Friday.
My wife is Colombian. She goes back and forth to Bogota often. Even though she has a regular Blue Cross medical insurance plan here in the states, she prefers to go to doctors and dentists in Bogota which is paid through her government insurance in Colombia. She can see see any kind of specialist she needs and the doctors and hospitals there are reputed to be among the best in SA. Her insurance in Bogota is cheaper and gives her better coverage than her Blue Cross plan. Day to day American health care is not up to international standards of even very poor countries.

And my wife and I live on the Canadian border. Canadians coming across for health care really isn't a thing. Gasoline, milk and poultry, yes. Health care not so much.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I hear what you are saying but that is not entirely nor 3xceptionally true, as many Canadians come to the US to get the healthcare treatment they are rejected for in Canada for whatever reason.
If you want penis enlargement surgery or a facelift, go abroad, like many Americans do, going abroad for medical treatment is popular in America too and many go to Mexico.
 
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