chlorinated tap water for plants

Drop That Sound

Drop That Sound

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I actually don't even use the products I mentioned hardly ever. My bottles have been sitting around for years, since the last time I experimented with them for doing organic plant gardening type stuff.

I just let my water sit for a few days before adding to my aquarium. I know there's still chloramines, but I do multiple small water changes, and have a huge canister filter packed full of diffrent media. It would be hard to kill off my herd, and my tank is always crystal clear.
 
Drop That Sound

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"Ice machine – Solenoid damage from Chloramines"

Chloraminated waters are more aggressive than chlorine in reacting with rubbers and their derivatives. Rubber fittings and polyurethane fixtures lose their elasticity and are “more prone to cracking” because of the chloramines in the water thus parts corrode and fail at an accelerated rate.

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crimsonecho

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tstick said:
Are chloramines a new thing they started putting in the water? The reason I ask is because I've always used tap water in the past without any problem and never heard of chloramine. I know it's there now....but why? Is chlorine not enough of a disinfectant by itself? What does chloramine actually do? What is its function as a water additive?

The other thing is: Do the plants absorb these chemicals and then those chemicals are eventually transferred into the smoke and into our lungs? I'm seriously asking. I have no idea what's actually in regular, old tap water, anymore. I guess that's a reason why I try to at least filter it a bit before using it.
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i read they have been using chloramines for the last 90yrs. yes its more stable than chlorine so it disinfects better but no i dont think plants take it up and deposit into buds it probably breaks down in soil to basic molecules eventually but again its really in residual amounts.

i wouldnt invest in an ro system just to eliminate chlorine because i have never seen any difference between tap and distilled. as for chloramines i dont have personal experience but all the data says not a problem in the amounts you get in tap water.
 
Jjgrow420

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I wouldn't ever use any product made for ornamental fish for anything I consume. There are no rules or laws governing what can and can't be used for ornamental fish. Same with their food, medicine etc. Ive always preached about this, it's something most people overlook.
Who knows where or how the chemicals were sourced and if it's even safe for human consumption in any form.
I'll take the 2ppm of chlorine any day over that.
 
crimsonecho

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Phytoplankton said:
They've done lots studies on the effects of chlorine on soil organisms, it does kill some off, but within 24 hours, the numbers are right back to where they were.
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and again maybe its even a beneficial thing as the pathogenic fungi that causes rot issues and shit fruits and sheds spore on the surface of the soil and that chlorine may help avoid spores in your buds pathogenic or not.
 
Star Dog

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Aparently soil drenched with 100ppm of chlorine completely recovers in 48 hrs, it doesn't apply to me but it's interesting.

More interesting chlorine is naturally occurring and it's needed by plants, only small amounts but that can be said for lots of minerals...

From Google...
"The 17 Essential Plant Elements include nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, sulfur, boron, *chlorine*, iron, manganese, zinc, copper, molybdenum, and nickel"

There's 100s about the subject on Google.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Star Dog said:
Aparently soil drenched with 100ppm of chlorine completely recovers in 48 hrs, it doesn't apply to me but it's interesting.

More interesting chlorine is naturally occurring and it's needed by plants, only small amounts but that can be said for lots of minerals...

From Google...
"The 17 Essential Plant Elements include nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, sulfur, boron, *chlorine*, iron, manganese, zinc, copper, molybdenum, and nickel"

There's 100s about the subject on Google.
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and 100ppm is at least 50 times higher than you get from average tap water. i think even pool water has around 4-5ppm and it smells so fucking bad so your tap may not even be 2ppm its probably more around .5-1.
 
Richard Drysift

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tstick said:
Are chloramines a new thing they started putting in the water? The reason I ask is because I've always used tap water in the past without any problem and never heard of chloramine. I know it's there now....but why? Is chlorine not enough of a disinfectant by itself? What does chloramine actually do? What is its function as a water additive?

The other thing is: Do the plants absorb these chemicals and then those chemicals are eventually transferred into the smoke and into our lungs? I'm seriously asking. I have no idea what's actually in regular, old tap water, anymore. I guess that's a reason why I try to at least filter it a bit before using it.
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Chloramine is used in many municipalities water systems these days because it does not dissipate when left to aerate. It’s also safe for human consumption at low ppms. I know it’s used in my system because it’s in my annual water report along with added fluoride. Neither is harmful to plants nor are they deposited into the flesh of plants grown in it. They add these chemicals to kill microbes and bacteria in tap water systems.
That’s why I just use dehumidifier water. I was pouring it down a drain for years anyway so why not use it? Tap doesn’t seem to hurt much over the short term but when I first started growing in living soil I had absorption (ph) problems. Solved this by using dehumidifier water and a regular aact regimen.
 
Paddletail

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I'll just state that I watched the Roundtable back in it's run and there was His and Her Grow on there or something very similar and they were getting a little commercial grow together at the time. Anyway, they were using water from their dehumidifier(s) until they ended up having it tested and saw that it contained high levels of heavy metals...
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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Paddletail said:
I'll just state that I watched the Roundtable back in it's run and there was His and Her Grow on there or something very similar and they were getting a little commercial grow together at the time. Anyway, they were using water from their dehumidifier(s) until they ended up having it tested and saw that it contained high levels of heavy metals...
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high levels of heavy metal? from what? i mean this site has some test results posted there and its really low amounts of zinc and copper which are also micro nutrients for cannabis and even smaller amounts of aluminium which i dont like to have but i can live with it too.
www.questclimate.com

Laboratory Test Results: Condensate Water - Quest Climate

Reusing water from an air conditioner or dehumidifier to feed plants is safe and responsible
www.questclimate.com www.questclimate.com
 
Reap911

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So I feel like we are missing a point here. Water is a living element. Regardless of the effects of chrlorine on the soil, tap water lacks the microbiology that water generally carries with it when you get it from natural sources.

I hear your point here but I would highlight that the extra effort put into ensuring you have good quality water will, in my opinion, have an effect on the quality of your plants. If you are talking from a perspective that you want to grow in a Living Organic system, as is the aim for Living Soil growers, tap water does not fully complete the processes it is meant for when you are using water that had been cleaned out with chlorine.

Honestly, maybe its not having a negative effect on your soils but its definately not having as much as a positive effect as it could. These things might be marginal but they do add up. Water is an extremely powerful resource in our growing approach and I dont think there is enough emphasis put on its importance.

My 2cents here is that its best to get closer to how nature intended. We are replicating a system that was designed by an intelligence that created the universe and it has not included chlorine in its water. So its my preference to stick with that approach as best I can.
 
crimsonecho

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Reap911 said:
So I feel like we are missing a point here. Water is a living element. Regardless of the effects of chrlorine on the soil, tap water lacks the microbiology that water generally carries with it when you get it from natural sources.

I hear your point here but I would highlight that the extra effort put into ensuring you have good quality water will, in my opinion, have an effect on the quality of your plants. If you are talking from a perspective that you want to grow in a Living Organic system, as is the aim for Living Soil growers, tap water does not fully complete the processes it is meant for when you are using water that had been cleaned out with chlorine.

Honestly, maybe its not having a negative effect on your soils but its definately not having as much as a positive effect as it could. These things might be marginal but they do add up. Water is an extremely powerful resource in our growing approach and I dont think there is enough emphasis put on its importance.

My 2cents here is that its best to get closer to how nature intended. We are replicating a system that was designed by an intelligence that created the universe and it has not included chlorine in its water. So its my preference to stick with that approach as best I can.
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well there is no intelligence that created the universe and there is no design. there is just circumstances and evolution.

and as for microbial population in water, its just such a miniscule part of what we or nature adds to the soil, most plants rely on rain water for example which is basically pure water and yes it does probably catch some microbes when the droplets fall from the sky to earth but really negligible amounts for sure.

about rain water vs dehum water, i’d be more upset that i dont get carbonic acid which is good for healthy soil but again i add carbon in my wormbin too so its the best replication of nature with what i have.

in your philosophy you need to have either a river or creek nearby or you need to collect rainwater which are fine options if you have the means to do it but the point of this thread is to discuss if chlorine hurts microbial colonies as some organic growers worry about. i think not, i think some of us are underestimating the resillience of microbes.
 
Paddletail

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crimsonecho said:
high levels of heavy metal? from what? i mean this site has some test results posted there and its really low amounts of zinc and copper which are also micro nutrients for cannabis and even smaller amounts of aluminium which i dont like to have but i can live with it too.
www.questclimate.com

Laboratory Test Results: Condensate Water - Quest Climate

Reusing water from an air conditioner or dehumidifier to feed plants is safe and responsible
www.questclimate.com www.questclimate.com
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Once again, just stating what I saw/heard.

To be honest though, I would trust the results of someone who had to pass testing to sell their product over the results a company is showing numbers to sell you one of their products or to counter what others have said. Look at the heavily skewed result of cannabis testing by different labs... go with the one that gives you the best numbers to show.
 
crimsonecho

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Paddletail said:
Once again, just stating what I saw/heard.

To be honest though, I would trust the results of someone who had to pass testing to sell their product over the results a company is showing numbers to sell you one of their products or to counter what others have said. Look at the heavily skewed result of cannabis testing by different labs... go with the one that gives you the best numbers to show.
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sure but if the tests are done by third party independent labs i choose to trust them. maybe in their case the unit they used contained lead in the copper pipes because of solder or something but i really am not very concerned about this and i’ll try to get my water tested in the near future to see how much heavy metals it contains. just as soon as i get some other more urgent shit done. in that time i would be very grateful if you or anyone else can get their dehum water tested and posted the results too.
 
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