Chlorine vs Chloramine in your tap water

Ya been waiting ages for someone to agree that tap water additives inhibit growth not kill established colonies.

Assholes here have an inability to google info but a great ability to repeat tap water kills microherds till it gets boring.

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CanadianJim said:

The levels of chlorine and chloramine in the municipal water that comes out your tap are at a level where they will inhibit growth of bacteria, but won't kill it. The levels that kill bacteria are actually pretty high, like what you find in a pool. And when you add that water to your soil the concentrations of those chemicals drop even further. Water straight from the tap is perfectly fine for plants.

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Glad to see this old thread get resurrected, learned a fair bit thank you

Buy you a cheap wallyworld goldfish, and put into a bowl of tap water that has Monochloramine in it, goodbye goldfish in less than a hour. So you can't tell me that stuff is okay for anything until you get the Chlorine out and that takes 14 - 21 days to do it on its own. But you can break the Ammonia / Chlorine bond and speed up the Ammonia OFF-gassing and the Chlorine evaporation process by using "sodium thiosulfate" 0.1 gram treats 6 gallons of Monochloramine water, then in 48 hours after the treatment all the Chlorine and most all of the Ammonia will be removed via OFF-gassing and evaporation.

You forgot to state that aquatic life can be so highly sensitive to stuff that plants, bacteria and fungi just simply are not.

I actually use tap water for my sourdough starter and bakes, if a single celled yeast can thrive then guess what that means mr know it all.....?

Sheesh

piratebug said:

Buy you a cheap wallyworld goldfish, and put into a bowl of tap water that has Monochloramine in it, goodbye goldfish in less than a hour. So you can't tell me that stuff is okay for anything until you get the Chlorine out and that takes 14 - 21 days to do it on its own. But you can break the Ammonia / Chlorine bond and speed up the Ammonia OFF-gassing and the Chlorine evaporation process by using "sodium thiosulfate" 0.1 gram treats 6 gallons of Monochloramine water, then in 48 hours after the treatment all the Chlorine and most all of the Ammonia will be removed via OFF-gassing and evaporation.

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Soil-borne bacteria are pretty resilient and in a healthy root zone quite plentiful. The chloramine levels typically found in treated water shouldn't make more than a dent in the soil bacteria population. And I suspect the bacteria would quickly bounce back. That said, it's not desirable unless you are running a sterile reservoir with hydroponics, in that case it won't matter as the plant doesn't mind at levels safe for human consumption.

piratebug said:

Buy you a cheap wallyworld goldfish, and put into a bowl of tap water that has Monochloramine in it, goodbye goldfish in less than a hour. So you can't tell me that stuff is okay for anything until you get the Chlorine out and that takes 14 - 21 days to do it on its own. But you can break the Ammonia / Chlorine bond and speed up the Ammonia OFF-gassing and the Chlorine evaporation process by using "sodium thiosulfate" 0.1 gram treats 6 gallons of Monochloramine water, then in 48 hours after the treatment all the Chlorine and most all of the Ammonia will be removed via OFF-gassing and evaporation.

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Chocolate, garlic, onions, are all toxic to cats and dogs, which are a huge step closer to humans than goldfish. Does that mean Italian food will kill us all? Bottom line I can drink a glass of water from the tap with no ill effects, and people have been using those chemicals in drinking water for decades at least. Growers have been watering their plants with it for decades as well, and we still have pot.
Please go back to believing in chemtrails.

pretty interesting read. Especially the part about compost teas and how chloramine effects it.
adding humics will help

plants aren't fish, and they aren't micro-organisms. the levels of chlorine or chloramine in tap water will not hurt your plants. if you are growing organic, and using beneficial mocrobes, then you need to do something.

How did this thread turn so hostile? I posted this months ago because I read an article I found interesting and wanted to share it. (Not intending for people to take anything I said as law?) Now people are disrespecting others for no reason other then for chiming into the conversation. Not everyone is going to be spot-on correct with the information they hold the first time every time. But that is why many people use this forum is to learn

it isnt hostile
im not offended at all
actually i like the idea of people talking about it and really figuring out what to do
myself, this grow, I'm investing in improving my water quality. I've done lights, vents, now its water quality.

during all this im testing out diff genetics from one seed distributor at a time, as i go through it

Nizza said:

it isnt hostile
im not offended at all
actually i like the idea of people talking about it and really figuring out what to do
myself, this grow, I'm investing in improving my water quality. I've done lights, vents, now its water quality.

during all this im testing out diff genetics from one seed distributor at a time, as i go through it

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I love when people share knowledge, but when people say "go back to believing in chem trails" because they disagree with someone. I thought everyone on here was an adult. Or atleast I hope they are

Guccizillaa said:

How did this thread turn so hostile? I posted this months ago because I read an article I found interesting and wanted to share it. (Not intending for people to take anything I said as law?) Now people are disrespecting others for no reason other then for chiming into the conversation. Not everyone is going to be spot-on correct with the information they hold the first time every time. But that is why many people use this forum is to learn

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Didn't mean to come off as hostile, just tired of people repeating debunked conspiracy theories online.
Honestly, this is the last "dechlorinate tap water, yes or no" type thread I'm going to comment in. Trying to keep people from wasting time and money, but hey, it's theirs. Whatever they do won't affect me, so have at it.

Good luck with your grows.

CanadianJim said:

Didn't mean to come off as hostile, just tired of people repeating debunked conspiracy theories online.
Honestly, this is the last "dechlorinate tap water, yes or no" type thread I'm going to comment in. Trying to keep people from wasting time and money, but hey, it's theirs. Whatever they do won't affect me, so have at it.

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All love brother

I can safely say that I learned a good bit on this thread though, I no longer worry about the additives that the municipalities add to my water. At one point I clearly did though so I hope this thread can enlighten some people in the future. Definitely a lot of great knowledge dropped

Nizza said:

https://www.natureswayresources.com/DocsPdfs/chloramine.pdf

pretty interesting read. Especially the part about compost teas and how chloramine effects it.
adding humics will help

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First off, I'm addressing the document and how I disagree with much of it's content nothing else. I'm not trying to be hostile


Most of the references are from an organization working to remove chloramine from water. http://www.chloramine.org. Some of the other references are just plain wrong. Nothing is backed up by any actual scientific research.

The second paragraph of that document actually says that chloramine creates less byproducts in the form of THM's than chlorine.

"When chlorine combines with organic matter in the water or elsewhere, disinfection byproducts are formed such as Trihalomethanes (THMs) and to a lesser degree when combined with chloramines. THMs are possible cancer causing byproducts."

"Studies have shown that chloramines hurt the germination of seeds from many species of plants."

They say many species but give no examples. I've germinated seeds from dozens of species of plants. They were all watered with tap water containing chloramine. All germinated. I've cloned numerous plant species in straight tap water containing chloramine. All successfully rooted. I've been growing cannabis in tap water containing chloramine for years with excellent results. The amount of chloramine in tap water WILL NOT harm your plants. If you're growing organic or using beneficials it may kill some but their populations will rebound very quickly

One of the linked references states:

"Chloramine, which is chlorine and ammonia mixed together, is said to kill yeast when trying to bake bread using water with it. The water must be filtered in order for the bread to rise correctly. "

Is said to kill? Said by who? Nobody is disputing that chloramine will kill microorganisms. Yeast is actually a fungus and while chloramine can kill it the amounts in tap water are not enough to do so and keep bread from rising.

https://www.veggiegardener.com/watering-vegetable-garden-city-water/



This bread I made rose just fine using tap water with chloramine in it.




I made this bread and grew this giant tomato with water containing chloramine.




I'll continue to use tap water without concern for the disinfectants they put in it to keep it clean and safe. They have to use something. The alternative is cholera, dysentery, and a slew of other water borne illnesses.

yeast vs chloramine seems fun

i love your post man

still going to see what chloramine filtration does to my garden.. this is a 300$ investment i think https://www.rollitup.org/t/need-help-with-an-ro-unit.998585/#post-15128965

maybe once i invest in new pens.. it will be about 500$ for me to be able to control my water and shit!

xtsho said:

This bread I made rose just fine using tap water with chloramine in it.

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Fresh baked bread smells like euphoria...

Bread is another of my hobbies, im saving for a small pizza business. The rise is 90% to me all else isnt that important, took a long time to learn that to my annoyance.

xtsho said:

First off, I'm addressing the document and how I disagree with much of it's content nothing else. I'm not trying to be hostile


Most of the references are from an organization working to remove chloramine from water. http://www.chloramine.org. Some of the other references are just plain wrong. Nothing is backed up by any actual scientific research.

The second paragraph of that document actually says that chloramine creates less byproducts in the form of THM's than chlorine.

"When chlorine combines with organic matter in the water or elsewhere, disinfection byproducts are formed such as Trihalomethanes (THMs) and to a lesser degree when combined with chloramines. THMs are possible cancer causing byproducts."

"Studies have shown that chloramines hurt the germination of seeds from many species of plants."

They say many species but give no examples. I've germinated seeds from dozens of species of plants. They were all watered with tap water containing chloramine. All germinated. I've cloned numerous plant species in straight tap water containing chloramine. All successfully rooted. I've been growing cannabis in tap water containing chloramine for years with excellent results. The amount of chloramine in tap water WILL NOT harm your plants. If you're growing organic or using beneficials it may kill some but their populations will rebound very quickly

One of the linked references states:

"Chloramine, which is chlorine and ammonia mixed together, is said to kill yeast when trying to bake bread using water with it. The water must be filtered in order for the bread to rise correctly. "

Is said to kill? Said by who? Nobody is disputing that chloramine will kill microorganisms. Yeast is actually a fungus and while chloramine can kill it the amounts in tap water are not enough to do so and keep bread from rising.

https://www.veggiegardener.com/watering-vegetable-garden-city-water/



This bread I made rose just fine using tap water with chloramine in it.

I made this bread and grew this giant tomato with water containing chloramine.

I'll continue to use tap water without concern for the disinfectants they put in it to keep it clean and safe. They have to use something. The alternative is cholera, dysentery, and a slew of other water borne illnesses.

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Kingrow1 said:

Bread is another of my hobbies, im saving for a small pizza business. The rise is 90% to me all else isnt that important, took a long time to learn that to my annoyance.

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Bread is a hobby of mine as well so lets use bread making as an example.

I've been baking bread for decades. It's a hobby of mine. So I'll use one of the earliest forms of breadmaking to prove that the levels of chloramine in tap water will not kill all the beneficial microbes. I have a sourdough starter that I made myself from sitting out in the backyard with a bowl of water and flour and stirring it for awhile to incorporate the wild yeast in the air. I fed that starter for a couple months. After that I took some and preserved it using a method that involves mixing flour into it until it is dry. Last night I took some of that saved starter and mixed it with some more flour and water. The water came straight out of the faucet and had chloramine in it.

This is the result as of this morning:




As you can see the chloramine in the water had no effect on the sourdough starter. The yeast multiplied and I'll be using this to make bread later. Why buy yeast when you can make your own starter?

Anyway, I understand that some people want to be 100% organic and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that chloramine will not kill your plants or all the beneficial microbes in the soil. So if you're using chemical nutrients but are of the assumption that tap water is bad and go through a bunch of unnecessary steps with your water, why? If a sourdough starter made with wild yeast is able to be activated then how can the minute amounts of chloramine in tap water harm your plants or kill all the microbes in the soil?

So many people dump numerous bottles of nutes on their plants and don't even think about what's in them yet they worry about a very small amount of chloramine in their water. It makes no sense. And they also spray insecticides and fungicides on their plants. If they're worried about some kind of contamination then tap water is the least of their concerns.

Cannabis is just another plant. Feed and water it like you would anything else and you'll enjoy a bountiful harvest.

I use canna coco range if I make a mix up ph accordingly, go back 12 hours later or so and it has rose .4 or 5

I under ph and leave overnight with a pump constantly agitating the mix and it will settle to where I want it

This is a solo water butt no interaction with plants etc no air stone and same result without pump