Gun control is coming

BudmanTX

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you know i do believe in the persons right for a firearm.....but at least put them up especially away from small children........

meanwhile this idiot in Indiana....
 

Rob Roy

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You had 3 opportunities to gain meaning from the post.

It's an analagous meaning. In both instances the "threat had been neutralized".

It's also ironic, in that the same organization that would use excessive and disproportionate force against a neutralized threat on a grand scale could be involved in prosecuting a guy for doing the same thing.

Not to mention I was reminding doublejj of the folly of war etc.

So, as you can see it was a veritable hat trick of a comment.

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Fogdog

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you know i do believe in the persons right for a firearm.....but at least put them up especially away from small children........

meanwhile this idiot in Indiana....
"he didn't know the gun was in the apartment at the time"

Is that a legal excuse? If so, I'll use that the next time I get pulled over for doing 65 in a 55 mph zone. "I didn't know I was going that fast".
 

BarnBuster

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you know i do believe in the persons right for a firearm.....but at least put them up especially away from small children........
meanwhile this idiot in Indiana....
If you watch the On Patrol: Live episode of the incident it shows more of the kid with the pistol but more importantly it shows the dad knew there was a gun and where he (dad) had concealed it in a small roll top desk.
 
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BudmanTX

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If you watch the On Patrol: Live episode of the incident it shows more of the kid with the pistol but more importantly it shows the dad knew there was a gun and where he had concealed it in a small roll top desk.
thanks Barn, i'm gonna have to find that episode so i can watch it......
 

Fogdog

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Update on the legal tribulations of Oregon Measure 114.


First a reminder of what that law entails:

Jonathan Levinson: The measure does three things if courts allow it to take effect:

It creates a permit to purchase requirement. That means anyone who wants to buy a firearm in the state will need to pass a background check and take a firearms safety course first. Part of that course requires applicants to demonstrate they know how to safely load, fire and store a firearm.

The ballot measure also banned magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition. There are exceptions for military and law enforcement and it’s not retroactive so people can legally keep magazines owned before the law takes effect but there will be restrictions on where they can use those magazines.

And finally, the law would close what’s known as the Charleston Loophole. Federal law says if a background check for a firearms purchase or transfer isn’t complete after three days, the sale or transfer can still be completed.

It’s called the Charleston Loophole because it was how a white man in Charleston, South Carolina, was able to buy a gun in 2015 before going on a racist killing spree. He murdered nine people at the historically Black Mother Emanuel Church.

People buying firearms in the state still need to submit to a background check but the law says a sale can go through after three days. Closing that loophole would mean it doesn’t matter how long the background check takes, it must be completed before a sale can go forward.


The measure is now tied up in courts and is on hold. Not for bad reasons though there are a few dumb ones. Most importantly, the measure only allowed one month for legal authorities to set up compliance procedures. Simply not enough time was allowed. Also, one court judge said she couldn't rule on constitutionality until those procedures are available for him to review. Not the Harney County judge. He didn't need no stinkin' details and ruled outright that it was unconstitutional under the State Constitution..

Levinson: That’s right. As of now all the provisions are blocked by a Harney County Circuit Court until a full trial can be held on their constitutionality.

An appeal to the Oregon State Supreme Court has been filed but no date is set for lawyers to submit their briefs. The OSSC is asking for details too.

There are lawsuits at the federal level too.

there are four challenges in federal court arguing the law violates the U.S. Constitution, the second amendment right to bear arms.

But the federal judge hearing those cases actually said the law can go into effect while a full trial is held so as far as the federal courts are concerned, this law can take effect.

The one stipulation to that is the permit to purchase requirement which, like in state court, the federal judge said she would give the state time to get that up and running. She initially allowed 30 days but that was extended after the state agreed it needed more time.


And so, here we are:

This is going to be a long drawn out court battle. In the federal case, three days of oral arguments are scheduled for the end of February which will be to decide if the judge will order a preliminary injunction, blocking the law pending a full trial.

In the state case, a hearing hasn’t been scheduled yet but the Oregon Department of Justice has already said they are asking the state supreme court to review the lower court’s ruling.

And something similar is likely to happen in the federal case. No matter what the judge decides, her decision will likely be appealed to higher courts… that would be the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and, potentially, the U.S. Supreme Court.

So as things stand, Oregon gun laws have not changed, but as we’ve been saying since November, stand by.
 

BudmanTX

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Update on the legal tribulations of Oregon Measure 114.


First a reminder of what that law entails:

Jonathan Levinson: The measure does three things if courts allow it to take effect:

It creates a permit to purchase requirement. That means anyone who wants to buy a firearm in the state will need to pass a background check and take a firearms safety course first. Part of that course requires applicants to demonstrate they know how to safely load, fire and store a firearm.

The ballot measure also banned magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition. There are exceptions for military and law enforcement and it’s not retroactive so people can legally keep magazines owned before the law takes effect but there will be restrictions on where they can use those magazines.

And finally, the law would close what’s known as the Charleston Loophole. Federal law says if a background check for a firearms purchase or transfer isn’t complete after three days, the sale or transfer can still be completed.

It’s called the Charleston Loophole because it was how a white man in Charleston, South Carolina, was able to buy a gun in 2015 before going on a racist killing spree. He murdered nine people at the historically Black Mother Emanuel Church.

People buying firearms in the state still need to submit to a background check but the law says a sale can go through after three days. Closing that loophole would mean it doesn’t matter how long the background check takes, it must be completed before a sale can go forward.


The measure is now tied up in courts and is on hold. Not for bad reasons though there are a few dumb ones. Most importantly, the measure only allowed one month for legal authorities to set up compliance procedures. Simply not enough time was allowed. Also, one court judge said she couldn't rule on constitutionality until those procedures are available for him to review. Not the Harney County judge. He didn't need no stinkin' details and ruled outright that it was unconstitutional under the State Constitution..

Levinson: That’s right. As of now all the provisions are blocked by a Harney County Circuit Court until a full trial can be held on their constitutionality.

An appeal to the Oregon State Supreme Court has been filed but no date is set for lawyers to submit their briefs. The OSSC is asking for details too.

There are lawsuits at the federal level too.

there are four challenges in federal court arguing the law violates the U.S. Constitution, the second amendment right to bear arms.

But the federal judge hearing those cases actually said the law can go into effect while a full trial is held so as far as the federal courts are concerned, this law can take effect.

The one stipulation to that is the permit to purchase requirement which, like in state court, the federal judge said she would give the state time to get that up and running. She initially allowed 30 days but that was extended after the state agreed it needed more time.


And so, here we are:

This is going to be a long drawn out court battle. In the federal case, three days of oral arguments are scheduled for the end of February which will be to decide if the judge will order a preliminary injunction, blocking the law pending a full trial.

In the state case, a hearing hasn’t been scheduled yet but the Oregon Department of Justice has already said they are asking the state supreme court to review the lower court’s ruling.

And something similar is likely to happen in the federal case. No matter what the judge decides, her decision will likely be appealed to higher courts… that would be the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and, potentially, the U.S. Supreme Court.

So as things stand, Oregon gun laws have not changed, but as we’ve been saying since November, stand by.
sounds pretty solid to me, does the background ck also ck federal (like say someone was in the military arm and got kicked out and it was a felony)
 

Fogdog

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sounds pretty solid to me, does the background ck also ck federal (like say someone was in the military arm and got kicked out and it was a felony)
Oregon authorities have said the background check will follow the same rules they already have in place.

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Federal Disqualification Categories

  • Conviction (Felony or Misdemeanor) where the crime has a maximum imprisonment term exceeding 1 year (even if you did not receive actual imprisonment exceeding 1 year)
  • Warrant (Felony or out-of-state Misdemeanor)
  • Felony Pre-Trial Release
  • Misdemeanor crimes of domestic violence
  • Restraining, Stalking, or Protection Order
  • Mental health adjudication or commitment
  • Unlawful use or addicted to a controlled substance (including Marijuana)
  • Dishonorable Discharge from the Armed Forces
  • Renounced U.S. Citizenship
  • Illegal Alien
Oregon Disqualification Information - In addition to the above
  • Conviction of a violent misdemeanor within the previous 4 years – ORS 166.470(1)(g)
  • Probation with conditions limiting possession of a firearm – ORS 137.540(L)
  • Misdemeanor crime of domestic violence – ORS 166.255(1)(b)/(3)(c)(d)(f)
  • Restraining Order – ORS 166.255 (1)(a)
  • Conviction of Stalking under ORS 163.732 - ORS 166.255(1)(c)
 

BudmanTX

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this one :
Mental health adjudication or commitment

and this one:
Dishonorable Discharge from the Armed Forces

i need to ck on, this direction......

the reason why is because of that church shooting we had. Man was dishonorable discharged from the Air Force for Domestic Volence and was still able to pic up a rifle down here and do the deed he did......so..
 

Fogdog

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this one :
Mental health adjudication or commitment

and this one:
Dishonorable Discharge from the Armed Forces

i need to ck on, this direction......

the reason why is because of that church shooting we had. Man was dishonorable discharged from the Air Force for Domestic Volence and was still able to pic up a rifle down here and do the deed he did......so..
As I understand it, the DOD did not disclose the shooter's status or miscommunicated it to the background registry and so, it slipped through the cracks.
 

BudmanTX

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As I understand it, the DOD did not disclose the shooter's status or miscommunicated it to the background registry and so, it slipped through the cracks.
that's how i understood it too, after that the people of that are sued and won, which makes me think, if possibility they can sue the state? that the part i don't know....
 

Rob Roy

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-Well since the government doesn't cause the majority of mass shootings, I'm not too concerned about that.
Actually the government has committed the most mass shootings, bombings, murders, and destruction of property. All time champs. You should be concerned about that.

Not to mention government people commit the most threats of violent gun use compared to free lance criminals.

I'd be happy to discuss any evidence you can provide refuting my claims.
 

CANON_Grow

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Actually the government has committed the most mass shootings, bombings, murders, and destruction of property. All time champs. You should be concerned about that.

Not to mention government people commit the most threats of violent gun use compared to free lance criminals.

I'd be happy to discuss any evidence you can provide refuting my claims.
So instead of providing any proof to show why your beliefs are true, you want me to spend time coming up with "evidence" that refutes your claims? There's lots of shit we can debate/argue about, but at least put in a minimal effort. Sheesh.
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