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PJ Diaz

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No, but your question was about Iraq being similar to Putins invasion of Ukraine, and they are not at all similar. Iraq war was wrong but never intended to be a land grab for America. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is all about expanding Russian territory.
Only the motivations are dissimilar, the outcomes are very similar, at least to the civilian causalities and their families.
how are we sponsoring it, when it's actually between Iran and Saudi, jc
Through arms sales and technical assistance to the Saudis, which continue to this day with Biden in office.
 

doublejj

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Only the motivations are dissimilar, the outcomes are very similar, at least to the civilian causalities and their families.

Through arms sales and technical assistance to the Saudis, which continue to this day with Biden in office.
War is hell...but they are not all the same. Russia's invasion and annexation of Ukraine is not at all similar to the war in Iraq.
 

PJ Diaz

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War is hell...but they are not all the same. Russia's invasion and annexation of Ukraine is not at all similar to the war in Iraq.
So you feel that the US was justified in invading Iraq, and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of civilians?
 

PJ Diaz

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what part of NO don't you understand? Iraq war was was not justified, but it was never about expanding US territory. Russia's invasion and claim to Ukrainian land is not the same.
Gotcha, so you agree that the US invasion of Iraq and Russia's invasion of Ukraine were both unjustified. Glad we got that cleared up. I'm still not sure how to square the circle of your assessment that the US is some kind of moral authority in these situations however. You seem to have an attitude that it's only a big problem to invade other people's countries and kill their civilians when the aim is to claim land as their own. As I recall, the US did claim quite a bit of Iraq land, in the form of US military bases, and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process. But hey, we're the good guys, so it's cool.
 

Herb & Suds

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Gotcha, so you agree that the US invasion of Iraq and Russia's invasion of Ukraine were both unjustified. Glad we got that cleared up. I'm still not sure how to square the circle of your assessment that the US is some kind of moral authority in these situations however. You seem to have an attitude that it's only a big problem to invade other people's countries and kill their civilians when the aim is to claim land as their own. As I recall, the US did claim quite a bit of Iraq land, in the form of US military bases, and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in the process. But hey, we're the good guys, so it's cool.
You are not a part of the we’re
Sorry but hard pass
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Way to go Kevin, lead with the chin! Great PR for the democrats and it will never see the light of day in the senate, even if Mitch ran the place, Mitch knows a loser when he sees one. Get it out of the way early and the public will forget it, they will make plenty of news to make that happen! It will be a sop to the religious lunatics, I'm sure it was a demand of theirs.

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Way to go Kevin, lead with the chin! Great PR for the democrats and it will never see the light of day in the senate, even if Mitch ran the place, Mitch knows a loser when he sees one. Get it out of the way early and the public will forget it, they will make plenty of news to make that happen! It will be a sop to the religious lunatics, I'm sure it was a demand of theirs.

at least Nancy Mace isn’t going with the dominionist marching orders on contraception.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
This thread got weirder than George Santos.
Now as far as Santos is concerned, he could shoot someone on 5th ave, be convicted of it and Kevin would still not make him resign his seat, he could expel him from the house, but the cockroach wouldn't give up his congressional paycheck, even in a cell.

A Santos resignation would spell disaster for an already paralyzed House GOP majority

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The call Wednesday for freshman Rep. George Santos of New York to resign lodged by Nassau County Republicans served as a stark reminder of just how fragile the House GOP’s four-seat majority is—particularly in a party with multiple lawmakers under threat of ongoing investigations.

Santos himself is already facing multiple investigations by prosecutors at the federal, state, and county level along with an inquiry in Brazil into his financial dealings. Those criminal probes are in addition to calls for investigations to be launched by the Federal Election Commission, the Department of Justice, and the rather toothless Office of Congressional Ethics.

Even for a Republican, that's an impressive accumulation of probes for a member who was sworn in less than a week ago.

But Santos defiantly told a throng of reporters Wednesday that he would not resign.

House GOP leadership is also very desperate to ignore the calls by Nassau County Republicans among other people, such as former GOP Rep. Pete King, who represented Long Island.

McCarthy brushed off reporters’ questions Wednesday, saying that a “a lot of people here” fabricate parts of their résumé and affirming that Santos would indeed get a committee assignment.

The reason Speaker Kevin McCarthy and his cronies would much rather chew glass followed by a salt-water gargle than aid the ouster of their own disgraced member is simple—they cannot afford to lose even one more seat. After an historic speakership fight that left McCarthy practically in a straight jacket, the idea of giving the extremists in his caucus any more power is likely giving him night sweats.

Santos also flipped a seat that Biden won in 2020, so his resignation would trigger a special election that could easily result in Democrats reclaiming the seat.

“It’s a simple numbers game for leadership right now,” once source told CNN of the Republican leaders’ reticence to throw Santos overboard.

But Santos is just the beginning of the potential peril posed by legal probes that could further cripple the precarious Republican House majority.

Let's not forget that the now-defunct House select committee investigating Jan. 6 revealed that at least five GOP members sought pardons from Donald Trump before he left the White House and three of them remain in office: Reps. Andy Biggs of Arizona, Matt Gaetz of Florida, and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania.

Notably, last August, the FBI seized Perry's phone as part of an inquiry into Republican efforts to overturn the 2020 election. Perry introduced Trump to former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who sought to lead the Justice Department so he could help prevent certification of the election.

Perhaps not so coincidentally, Perry is now seeking a seat on House Republicans' newly created committee to literally investigate the investigators who have been scrutinizing GOP criminality.

Gaetz, who was also caught up in a sex trafficking probe, appears to have escaped from that criminal inquiry unscathed.

Still, Republicans have largely become a party of radicalized deviants who believe they are above the law. Another shoe could drop at any moment that could further imperil their slim majority in the lower chamber.

In the meantime, Santos supporters are livid.

"I am completely betrayed," Teodora Choolfaian, a Republican Santos voter, told CNN during a protest calling for the Congressman’s resignation. "The whole persona that he created and the ability to deceive us is just so troubling. This man should not be allowed to be in office, and we all know it."

Nassau County Republicans are clearly responding to the anger and dismay of their voters, even as House GOP leaders seek to ignore it. That's not a good look, and voters won’t soon forget it. Whether there's a special election in the offing at some point or Santos manages to hang on until 2024, the Biden district he represents is going to be ripe for the Democratic picking.
 

PJ Diaz

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Which is it harder to fire? A newly elected freshman congressman or a tenured university professor?
 

injinji

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For real though, she was someone who busted her ass for decades working across many levels of our government and winning major elections and proving she was always there to do the work. And she was running against a lazy troll who was also a Russian asset.

It really should have been that easy if not for the attack on our democracy by foreign dictators and domestic right wing propagandists' brainwashing campaign.
Two points. The main thing the russians did was to use facebook to get black folks to stay home on election day. Team blue lives and dies on black turnout.

And Hill was the most hated pol in America. I don't understand it, but it was real.
 

Hotrod2

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Should be fun hearing uncle joe and his cronies explain why he's leaving classified material in multiple locations. Could also be interesting to find out why this was known before midterms and yet only released recently.
 

injinji

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It depends are we talking in Floridastan?
NPR airs a weekly talk show called Florida Roundtable, and this week they were talking about professors not being able to teach the classes they have taught for years. Since the laws no longer explicitly say that blacks are second class citizens, it's now against the law to say there is such a thing as systematic racism.
 

injinji

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Should be fun hearing uncle joe and his cronies explain why he's leaving classified material in multiple locations. Could also be interesting to find out why this was known before midterms and yet only released recently.
I heard there were over 100 files, some with the very highest clearances, ie nuke stuff. Also sex stuff surrounding the French President and his lady friend. And he knew he had them, even though the National Archive was asking for them, he wouldn't give them back. Even after the DOJ issued subpoenas he wouldn't return them. His lawyers actually lied to the FBI about them. That's willful retention of national defense information for sure. Thanks to 45, that is now a felony no matter the classification.

I am so sorry. That was trumpf. My bad.

President Joe Rob's staff packed up one set of files, about 10 sheets, when they were cleaning out his VP office and they took them to his office at the Biden/Penn Center, (Joe Rob's think tank). Where they were locked in a closet in that office. In early November some of his lawyers were cleaning out that office and found the files. Fifteen minutes later they called the National Archives to have someone come and pick them up. (as the law requires) Joe Rob never knew the files were there. So no willful retention of national defense information.

But other than that, the cases are just alike.
 

shimbob

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Apparently there's a second box they've found in another location.

"Matthew Miller, a former Justice Department spokesperson during the Obama administration, tweeted, “Worth noting what former government officials have said since Mar a Lago raid: classified docs get mistakenly removed from government facilities fairly frequently. You report it, turn in the docs, the government does a damage assessment, and that is the end of it. OR…you cover it up, lie about it repeatedly to the government, and force them to raid your premises to retrieve the docs (ie act like a sociopath), in which case you can expect a criminal charge,”
 
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