Do you keep your LED's on 100% from start to finish, or change the strenght?

Blossom21

Blossom21

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I just heard someone saying the plants like it better when they get more light so i wanted to ask how you do it?

Also how high from the tops you keep your LED's? I got 4x 250w QB's in a 4x4x6 tent but haven't really "mastered" the height or power output despite trying different ones from suggestions all the way from 14" in flower to over 40" in veg..
 
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Blossom21

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pahpah-cee said:
I rarely will hit 100%. I use a par meter to dial it in. If you don’t have a lux/par meter I would just go off the manufacturers recommendation.
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I only have a lux meter in my phone, so i don't know how far that is from reality. I have 4x 250w quantum bars in a 4x4x6 tent, i've looked a couple different recommendations from a single board: (aren't these recommendations measured with full power?)

Seedling: 60 cm (23")
Grow: 40-60 cm (16"x 23")
Flower: 30-40 cm (12"x16")

But would that change much with 4 boards covering the whole tent, and what do people personally would recommend to use if they have more knowledge?

I mean what kind of equipment people have, how much power they use in different stages of growing and how close from the canopy your lights are?
 
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pahpah-cee

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Those measurements are for full power. You can try to use that lux meter. Google how much lux to use for veg and flower.

1000watts is pretty intense in a 4x4. That’s 62.5 watts per sqft. That is almost double what some would recommended for that space.


what are the actual lights your using?
 
Isawthelight

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In my grows, full power seems to promote fox-tailing.

I ran my Grow Light Science Progrow320 full power for the 70 day flower run. GLS has a 120 return period so I ran it hot and hard to test it's reliability. VPD was too high during the LED stress test. I now have a Controller 69 Pro that dims the light when the tent reaches 80F. I limit the LED to UIS-8 = 240watts.
 
Blossom21

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pahpah-cee said:
Those measurements are for full power. You can try to use that lux meter. Google how much lux to use for veg and flower.

1000watts is pretty intense in a 4x4. That’s 62.5 watts per sqft. That is almost double what some would recommended for that space.


what are the actual lights your using?
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I mean i have total of 500w, 4x 125w quantum boards from kingbrite
 
Blossom21

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pahpah-cee said:
500w will work great in that space. Just follow the manufacturer suggestions on height.
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I can't find any manufacturer suggestions from the alibaba/kingbrite site for my exact lights because the order was custom with 4 quantum boards instead of having them attached together (with Samsung LM301B leds and meanwell drivers so they should be solid), maybe there's other products/manufacturers that make similar products and have tested them?

Well on the site i found two different suggestions on height and power from 2 different similar lights that were 480 watts, so how can i trust them?
 
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pahpah-cee

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You can’t really trust anyone’s opinion because everyone’s environment is slightly different.

I would give the less aggressive suggestion a try first. Then every so often you can up the power/lower the fixture. Pay close attention to your plant when you adjust it. If they seem like they’re getting stressed I would back off immediately.
 
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bubba73

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Under 18/6 don’t need all that power cause of how many hours it’s getting light , under flower you give more light cause it’s 12/12 .. so in veg seedlings lowest setting and as they mature and get bigger you want to give more power up to 50-60 % … only time you go 100 % in lighting is when your in mid flower … I run a 250 watt in veg max 250 watt and only run it 3/4 strength at 30” away .
 
farmingfisherman

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I'm using a watt meter along with tablet app that measures lux. I then translate that to a ppfd/umol reading using the spectrum that best matches my light. Oldest plant broke threw the soil 15,14 and 12 days ago. All seem pretty happy so far with a 100 watts of light. Slowly bumping up the watts each day or so. Max output is 330 watts which without co2 I'll likely never use all of.

https://www.waveformlighting.com/horticulture/convert-lux-to-ppfd-online-calculator


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I have a 4x4x7.5 tent and have been running Timber Daisies (5) for about (5) grows. They total 500 watts and I never run them full speed. If I do, it gets way too hot in the tent. I do not have Air Conditioning and my tent is running inside the NO AC house inside spare bedroom.
I use passive intake and an AC Infinity T6 inside the tent, but no outside fresh air.
If I had outside air or AC, I could possibly run them full blast but my I think my PAR would shoot through the roof and I would have to run them way up 24" and lose all that space. I run them minimum of 16" but mostly 18"-24". You should start higher and work down, usually your plants will tell you when they don't like it that close. Running mine at 18" and about 70% in San Diego gets me to about 80-85 degrees depending upon how hot it is here. The MFG says 18" -24" on these but as I shop I see almost all of them say about the same distance. only a few claim you can get closer like 8".
 
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ILoveYourMom said:
More light more nutes. The limit is pretty high
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I should have mentioned I grow in earth boxes using living organic soil that I refresh and re-use. With that being said, I do not feed or add any nutrients until flip. At flip I stack a pile of compost and organic nutrients but not food. That may limit my ability to crank it up.
 
Moflow

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I change the strength of the light in one of my grow areas.
It's amazing how little watts/sq ft is actually needed for vegging. I find as long as they're getting the correct ppfd at the canopy all is well.

4 x 4 tent. My late veg, early flower area
It's in a cold garage. Tent is somewhat insulated.
Floor insulated.
Heatmat on floor.
12v 75mm pc extractor fan, need to keep some heat in there lol
I use an HLG 550R. I veg at lowest setting, around 220 watts. 400 - 500 ppfd. 24 hrs on.
The plants in the tent are now in flowering and are getting ~ 350 watts 800 - 900 ppfd. 12 hrs on.
Saves on electricity
I'd need to measure the height of light. Maybe 15"?
Now 28 days of 12 on 12 off

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They will be moved to the main flower area on Monday when I've finished chopping the plants that are in there at moment.
 
Blossom21

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Moflow said:
I change the strength of the light in one of my grow areas.
It's amazing how little watts/sq ft is actually needed for vegging. I find as long as they're getting the correct ppfd at the canopy all is well.

4 x 4 tent. My late veg, early flower area
It's in a cold garage. Tent is somewhat insulated.
Floor insulated.
Heatmat on floor.
12v 75mm pc extractor fan, need to keep some heat in there lol
I use an HLG 550R. I veg at lowest setting, around 220 watts. 400 - 500 ppfd. 24 hrs on.
The plants in the tent are now in flowering and are getting ~ 350 watts 800 - 900 ppfd. 12 hrs on.
Saves on electricity
I'd need to measure the height of light. Maybe 15"?
Now 28 days of 12 on 12 off

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They will be moved to the main flower area on Monday when I've finished chopping the plants that are in there at moment.
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Nice looking grow!

Hey since you got similar kind of lights in terms of power, just a different manifacturer, could you tell how far you kept the lights starting from seedling? And can you only go down to 220w or what you mean? I can just turn the knobs from 0 to 100%, surely HLG would provide at least that.

Also can you just 24h during the entire veg state, what's the purpose of that since 18/6 seems to be the standard?

I just put seeds under a wet paper and waiting for them to pop. All feminised photoperiod seeds.
 
Moflow

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Blossom21 said:
Nice looking grow!

Hey since you got similar kind of lights in terms of power, just a different manifacturer, could you tell how far you kept the lights starting from seedling? And can you only go down to 220w or what you mean? I can just turn the knobs from 0 to 100%, surely HLG would provide at least that.

Also can you just 24h during the entire veg state, what's the purpose of that since 18/6 seems to be the standard?

I just put seeds under a wet paper and waiting for them to pop. All feminised photoperiod seeds.
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I don't use that area or light for seedlings, clones or early veg. I've other areas for that. I veg with 4 x 2ft Samsung F strips dimmed ~ 60 watts.
The 4 x 4 is the transitional area for aggressive vegging, early flowering. Those plants are now in the flowering hut.
It's complicatingly simple lol

The HLG has a Meanwell 'A' series driver so it has a built-in potentiometer screw accessed via a rubber grommet on top.
'A' drivers only usually dim to ~ 50%. I've always bought the Meanwell A drivers.

I veg 24 hrs on due to the cold temperatures I grow the plants in, it helps keep the temperature up a bit.
Just a bit less light over a longer period and it evens itself out.
Not much use when it's on 12 12 though, plants have to be tough in my gardens lol
 
Blossom21

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Moflow said:
I don't use that area or light for seedlings, clones or early veg. I've other areas for that. I veg with 4 x 2ft Samsung F strips dimmed ~ 60 watts.
The 4 x 4 is the transitional area for aggressive vegging, early flowering. Those plants are now in the flowering hut.
It's complicatingly simple lol

The HLG has a Meanwell 'A' series driver so it has a built-in potentiometer screw accessed via a rubber grommet on top.
'A' drivers only usually dim to ~ 50%. I've always bought the Meanwell A drivers.

I veg 24 hrs on due to the cold temperatures I grow the plants in, it helps keep the temperature up a bit.
Just a bit less light over a longer period and it evens itself out.
Not much use when it's on 12 12 though, plants have to be tough in my gardens lol
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I have MeanWell HLG-240H-48AB drivers, nice when you can even tune it easily to meet your exact output just with a screwdriver, bonus if you own a multimeter so you can actually measure the output :D
 
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