Is Biden really that bad?

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ActionianJacksonian

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How decades of US welfare policies lifted up the white middle class and largely excluded Black Americans
When President Donald Trump met with the Congressional Black Caucus in 2018, the topic of welfare reform came up. One member of the caucus told Trump that enforcing stricter rules would be detrimental to her constituents, "Not all of whom are Black"

The president is said to have replied, "Really? Then what are they?" apparently assuming that a welfare recipient couldn't be white.

In fact, far more white people have benefited from US welfare programs over the years — reflecting their greater share of the population — while Black people and other people of color have been denied them in various ways, multiple historians and researchers tell Business Insider.



So in your article, Schram, Crewe and Orfield make the same arguments Kristof made in 2014. They are merely parroting his opinion:


" … the presumption on the part of so many well-meaning white Americans [is] that racism is a historical artifact. They don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century."

And so...


"New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof asserts that there is “overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century” and he mentions “the lingering effects of slavery.” But before we become overwhelmed, that evidence should be checked out. The evidence offered by Mr. Kristof seems considerably short of overwhelming, to put it charitably.

………….

Kristof’s other “overwhelming” evidence of the current effects of past slavery is that blacks do not have as much income as whites. But Puerto Ricans do not have as much income as Japanese Americans. Mexican Americans do not have as much income as Cuban Americans. All sorts of people do not have as much income as all sorts of other people, not only in the United States, but in countries around the world. And most of these people were never enslaved.

Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and “war on poverty” programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.

Over the next 20 years, the poverty rate among blacks fell another 18 percentage points, compared to the 40-point drop in the previous 20 years. This was the continuation of a previous economic trend, at a slower rate of progress, not the economic grand deliverance proclaimed by liberals and self-serving black “leaders.”

…..

Nearly a hundred years of the supposed “legacy of slavery” found most black children [78%] being raised in two-parent families in 1960. But thirty years after the liberal welfare state found the great majority of black children being raised by a single parent [66%]. Public housing projects in the first half of the 20th century were clean, safe places, where people slept outside on hot summer nights, when they were too poor to afford air conditioning. That was before admissions standards for public housing projects were lowered or abandoned, in the euphoria of liberal non-judgmental notions. And it was before the toxic message of victimhood was spread by liberals. We all know what hell holes public housing has become in our times. The same toxic message produced similar social results among lower-income people in England, despite an absence of a “legacy of slavery” there.

If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed “legacy of slavery” they talk about."
 

doublejj

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So in your article, Schram, Crewe and Orfield make the same arguments Kristof made in 2014. They are merely parroting his opinion:


" … the presumption on the part of so many well-meaning white Americans [is] that racism is a historical artifact. They don’t appreciate the overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century."

And so...


"New York Times writer Nicholas Kristof asserts that there is “overwhelming evidence that centuries of racial subjugation still shape inequity in the 21st century” and he mentions “the lingering effects of slavery.” But before we become overwhelmed, that evidence should be checked out. The evidence offered by Mr. Kristof seems considerably short of overwhelming, to put it charitably.

………….

Kristof’s other “overwhelming” evidence of the current effects of past slavery is that blacks do not have as much income as whites. But Puerto Ricans do not have as much income as Japanese Americans. Mexican Americans do not have as much income as Cuban Americans. All sorts of people do not have as much income as all sorts of other people, not only in the United States, but in countries around the world. And most of these people were never enslaved.

Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and “war on poverty” programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.

Over the next 20 years, the poverty rate among blacks fell another 18 percentage points, compared to the 40-point drop in the previous 20 years. This was the continuation of a previous economic trend, at a slower rate of progress, not the economic grand deliverance proclaimed by liberals and self-serving black “leaders.”

…..

Nearly a hundred years of the supposed “legacy of slavery” found most black children [78%] being raised in two-parent families in 1960. But thirty years after the liberal welfare state found the great majority of black children being raised by a single parent [66%]. Public housing projects in the first half of the 20th century were clean, safe places, where people slept outside on hot summer nights, when they were too poor to afford air conditioning. That was before admissions standards for public housing projects were lowered or abandoned, in the euphoria of liberal non-judgmental notions. And it was before the toxic message of victimhood was spread by liberals. We all know what hell holes public housing has become in our times. The same toxic message produced similar social results among lower-income people in England, despite an absence of a “legacy of slavery” there.

If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed “legacy of slavery” they talk about."
Why has taken until the post trauma of Democrats electing a black man, Barak Obama. as President of the United States for the republicans to accept blacks and females to the party?...
To quote your posted Newsweek report...
"But now, in the post-Trump era, it appears the GOP is beginning to embrace a new strategy, one that includes supporting minority and female candidates to appeal to a broader swath of voters. One of the lessons the party seems to have learned of late is that representation matters."
 

ActionianJacksonian

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Why has taken until the post trauma of Democrats electing a black man, Barak Obama. as President of the United States for the republicans to accept blacks and females to the party?...
To quote your posted Newsweek report...
"But now, in the post-Trump era, it appears the GOP is beginning to embrace a new strategy, one that includes supporting minority and female candidates to appeal to a broader swath of voters. One of the lessons the party seems to have learned of late is that representation matters."
Which decade would you like to stay in? The one where people were going to prison for weed in California? The one where blacks switched from republican to Democrat to support fdr and the new deal in the 30s?

I voted for Obama. White America also overwhelmingly voted for Obama.

What's wrong with the gop appealing to voters lost to Democrat promises that have failed? Nothing. And why are these voters embracing this invitation? Your only answer is that they are cockroaches voting for Raid. LoLolol. They too low IQ to know they need ID to vote. They want to kill babies so much it will totally negate their 30% inflation for food, fuel and utilities. They will totally believe that social security will be abolished next year leaving the elderly homeless on the street starving.

Keep those sentiments coming. It's working wonders for your opposition. I mean who really thought that openly calling anyone you disagree with stupid, ignorant, race traitor, racist etc wouldn't work like a charm permanently?

Btw this shift is evidence that Biden really is that bad.
 

doublejj

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Which decade would you like to stay in? The one where people were going to prison for weed in California? The one where blacks switched from republican to Democrat to support fdr and the new deal in the 30s?

I voted for Obama. White America also overwhelmingly voted for Obama.

What's wrong with the gop appealing to voters lost to Democrat promises that have failed? Nothing. And why are these voters embracing this invitation? Your only answer is that they are cockroaches voting for Raid. LoLolol.

Keep those sentiments coming. It's working wonders for your opposition. I mean who really thought that openly calling anyone you disagree with stupid, ignorant, race traitor, racist etc wouldn't work like a charm permanently?
I wasn't talking about only weed (inject your drug of choice here)....BTW Biden won the popular vote by a large margin..
 
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ActionianJacksonian

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I wasn't talking about weed (inject your drug of choice here)
Tell the whole story. Show me two defendant's of different races with different sentences for the same crime and no secondaries who both followed all arrest orders who have similar criminal backgrounds by the same judge and I will call the judge out as racist right there with you buddy. That would be pure bullcrap.

So how has the "cure" worked out there in Cali? Lots of hard drug prosecutions these days or just turning a blind eye to all the dookie and needles in the parks? How's the business atmosphere when anyone can rob a store and get caught and be back later the same day to do it all over again and again in the name of racial justice? The solutions working well in your opinion?
 

ActionianJacksonian

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I wasn't talking about only weed (inject your drug of choice here)....BTW Biden won the popular vote by a large margin..
You remember when Mike Ruppert (I think his name was) documented c130 planes bound for Cali fire duty were diverted and caught red handed bringing coke to the US from South America? He brought I all up at the public meeting in LA?

Lemme look:


I love these old videos from back in the day when all us liberals were on the same team, I really do. Back when we were fighting the man, man. When did some of us decide to stump for the man though? Was it suddenly or just a gradual course?
 

doublejj

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Tell the whole story. Show me two defendant's of different races with different sentences for the same crime and no secondaries who both followed all arrest orders who have similar criminal backgrounds by the same judge and I will call the judge out as racist right there with you buddy. That would be pure bullcrap.

So how has the "cure" worked out there in Cali? Lots of hard drug prosecutions these days or just turning a blind eye to all the dookie and needles in the parks? How's the business atmosphere when anyone can rob a store and get caught and be back later the same day to do it all over again and again in the name of racial justice? The solutions working well in your opinion?
So what's your solution? Lock them up? expansion of this system?
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ActionianJacksonian

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So what's your solution? Lock them up? expansion of this system?
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For hard drugs? No. Vagrancy, public defecation, littering, harassment, murder, physical assault, theft, domestic disturbance. Yes.

Rehab instead of incarceration? Yes. Never ending rehab turnstile? No.

That's my opinion but the decision should not concern me. It should be a matter of your local city, county and state and thus I do not support you trying to force these policies on the rest of us.
 

ActionianJacksonian

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So you want to make being poor a crime?....got it.
Nice spin! You specifically asked about hard drug use and possession then in the next breath you deny that all those folks living out in your parks, bike paths, overpasses and such are not overwhelmingly by a huge margin there for drugs. To take advantage of your tolerant and compassionate system of ignoring this.

Instead, you present emotion; that they are all there because they can't afford anything, and that is the "real crime".

Just turn grand larceny into petty larceny by ever increasing margins some more. Should continue working great. Behold the wonderful progressive cure to crime: curve the grade so less is recorded. Success. Progress.

Just lower murder to simple assault. Look. No more murder. That dude in San Jose that decapitated his girlfriend in public with a sword is just a victim of oppression from a systemic system of being poor. At least it wasn't a gun death, Success!

Anyhow take it easy I'm done trimming.
 

Sir Napsalot

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For hard drugs? No. Vagrancy, public defecation, littering, harassment, murder, physical assault, theft, domestic disturbance. Yes.

Rehab instead of incarceration? Yes. Never ending rehab turnstile? No.

That's my opinion but the decision should not concern me. It should be a matter of your local city, county and state and thus I do not support you trying to force these policies on the rest of us.
Incarceration for vagrancy and littering?

I have to wonder what the "rehab" for littering would entail?

Also, who is this "us" you speak of?
 

doublejj

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Nice spin! You specifically asked about hard drug use and possession then in the next breath you deny that all those folks living out in your parks, bike paths, overpasses and such are not overwhelmingly by a huge margin there for drugs. To take advantage of your tolerant and compassionate system of ignoring this.

Instead, you present emotion; that they are all there because they can't afford anything, and that is the "real crime".

Just turn grand larceny into petty larceny by ever increasing margins some more. Should continue working great. Behold the wonderful progressive cure to crime: curve the grade so less is recorded. Success. Progress.

Just lower murder to simple assault. Look. No more murder. That dude in San Jose that decapitated his girlfriend in public with a sword is just a victim of oppression from a systemic system of being poor. At least it wasn't a gun death, Success!

Anyhow take it easy I'm done trimming.
many of your drug crazed homeless are veterans.....
Veterans are 50% more likely to become homeless than other Americans due to poverty, lack of support networks, and dismal living conditions in overcrowded or substandard housing. About 1.5 million veterans are considered at-risk of homelessness.
 

Dorian2

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I was in the car biz for about 32 years... and I can remember when I became a Finance Manager, in 1997, the best rate you could get with excellent credit was about 9%.... so, we've been here before.
I had just entered the Oil Industry as a Tech in '98. The office cheered a few months later when oil hit $20 a barrel. Clear as day.
 
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