Is Biden really that bad?

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Aeroknow

Aeroknow

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
why would they do that? Harris wouldn't have won the election, and NO ONE voted for Hillary or Michelle Obama...what would the profit be for democrats?
Biden isn't a supreme court judge, where retiring at an opportune time ensures your party getting to pick your replacement.
and if he's still as mentally active and aware as he is now, why replace him? he's getting shit done.
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I would love to see that
PJ Diaz said:
I wouldn't worry about asking Republicans that, you'd be better off to ask independents and fringe democrats.
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dude.
What type of Democrat could run and win and get your vote. Very curious here. You claim to be dem in one breath but all your other breath is used up talking otherwise. Not trying to start shit here. But.

my money is on you are/were a Bernie Bro which i will still love you btw
 
PJ Diaz

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Aeroknow said:
I would love to see that

dude.
What type of Democrat could run and win and get your vote. Very curious here. You claim to be dem in one breath but all the other breath is used up talking otherwise. Not trying to start shit here. But
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I'm not a Dem, I'm a former Dem. I re-registered with no party affiliation several years ago. I voted for Biden, but I won't vote for him again. I would vote for a Democrat who is not an elitist authoritarian war monger. Hope that clears things up for you.
 
Aeroknow

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm not a Dem, I'm a former Dem. I re-registered with no party affiliation several years ago. I voted for Biden, but I won't vote for him again. I would vote for a Democrat who is not an elitist authoritarian war monger. Hope that clears things up for you.
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It doesn’t though.
You talk like there really isn’t a 2 party system. I hate to even say lesser of evils because i don’t even see it that way but the GOP is fucking nuts right now.
You say you are involved in your local union. I know where you’re at. I put in many years in a major building trade(union)just over the hill from you. Worked allot in SC too. As a union member, them being anti union. Why you such a hater?

baby steps bro. Shit don’t happen overnight in congress especially these days
 
cannabineer

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PJ Diaz said:
You pointed out that there was only one Democratic co-sponsor, but failed to mention that the bill passed with overwhelming bi-partisan support. That seems a bit dishonest on your part.
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It still is a bad bill. It replaced education with a very focused test-prep culture.
So its being passed with near-unanimous support long predated the emergence of just how it gutted the freedom of public educators. It was a Republican conception from square one, and the Democrats of the time swallowed the bait.

Back on topic, I would have done just as Newsom did, and for the reason that my kids would not be hobbled by the standardized-test arms race that NCLB made necessary.
 
hanimmal

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PJ Diaz said:
Looks like Biden voted yes on the NCLB act, as did Boxer and Feinstein.

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Can you not remember how it was after 9/11? Can you imagine Democrats not voting for an education bill when it would have passed anyways (50-50 senate with Republican control, and they held the house too) right after we got hit? Was the Republican attack on our public education system as obvious as it is now (DeVos and propaganda schools like Hillsdale and Liberty University) back then?

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What specifically are you upset about with the NCLB act? I know I heard a lot of teachers complaining about it, but don't know much about it.

cannabineer said:
no: because he can afford to give his kids a premium education in institutions that are not compelled to dance to the Republican tune. It isn’t Democrats who have gutted the public school system. It’s the chickens of long-term culture war coming home to roost. Look at the cosponsors list. Almost monolithically Republican. One Democrat, from Ohio.

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I am not entirely sure that being in a public school as the governor's kid is realistically safe. Especially with all the right wing nuts losing their shit right now.
 
cannabineer

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hanimmal said:
Can you not remember how it was after 9/11? Can you imagine Democrats not voting for an education bill when it would have passed anyways (50-50 senate with Republican control, and they held the house too) right after we got hit? Was the Republican attack on our public education system as obvious as it is now (DeVos and propaganda schools like Hillsdale and Liberty University) back then?

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What specifically are you upset about with the NCLB act? I know I heard a lot of teachers complaining about it, but don't know much about it.

I am not entirely sure that being in a public school as the governor's kid is realistically safe. Especially with all the right wing nuts losing their shit right now.
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Back then, I was quite inattentive to politics.

My big beef with NCLB is that it forced school administrators to refocus the curriculum to “how to pass the following standardized tests”, which has nothing to do with real-life teaching and sucked time and resources away from more useful educational procedures imo. I watched my kids essentially get denied an education because it was all about the school keeping its conditional funding. It was a one-size-shits-all straitjacket.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Aeroknow said:
As apposed to who?

Did you fucking vote for trump bro? Did you?

you aints gots to lie bro. I’ll still like you lol
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I've voted for both parties over the years. I voted for Obama. Then Trump. Hillary just seemed like one of the most dishonest people I could imagine. She seemed like she was still pissed at Bill. Trump seemed way more honest since he wasn't a typical politician. And Joe isn't all there. Yes Trump was an asshole, but I liked a lot of his policies. The economy was kicking ass and we were self reliant on fossil fuels and cheap gas and super low inflation. Other countries also respected us more and wouldn't be pulling some of the shit they are now. Sadly Biden has fucked shit up way worse than I could imagine in less than 2 years. I wish I felt better about him, but the shit I see happening can't be denied.
 
Aeroknow

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PadawanWarrior said:
I've voted for both parties over the years. I voted for Obama. Then Trump. Hillary just seemed like one of the most dishonest people I could imagine. She seemed like she was still pissed at Bill. Trump seemed way more honest since he wasn't a typical politician. And Joe isn't all there. Yes Trump was an asshole, but I liked a lot of his policies. The economy was kicking ass and we were self reliant on fossil fuels and cheap gas and super low inflation. Other countries also respected us more and wouldn't be pulling some of the shit they are now. Sadly Biden has fucked shit up way worse than I could imagine in less than 2 years. I wish I felt better about him, but the shit I see happening can't be denied.
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The mother fucking economy was kicking ass when trump took office he fucked it up. Wtf man
 
PadawanWarrior

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Aeroknow said:
The mother fucking economy was kicking ass when trump took office he fucked it up. Wtf man
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My family was doing better economically under Trump. Our 401k's have taken a shit under Biden. And I just think the whole way the democrats are going is getting too far out there for me. All this anti cop, anti military, anti white, anti male, blah blah blah and the wokeness shit is fucked up and not helping anything. I don't want Trump or Biden to run again. I want someone kinda in the middle if that's makes sense. Not a confused old man but also not an arrogant ass. I know it's a lot to ask for in Politics.
 
doublejj

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
why would they do that? Harris wouldn't have won the election, and NO ONE voted for Hillary or Michelle Obama...what would the profit be for democrats?
Biden isn't a supreme court judge, where retiring at an opportune time ensures your party getting to pick your replacement.
and if he's still as mentally active and aware as he is now, why replace him? he's getting shit done.
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to own the repubs.....
 
Aeroknow

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PadawanWarrior said:
My family was doing better economically under Trump. Our 401k's have taken a shit under Biden. And I just think the whole way the democrats are going is getting too far out there for me. All this anti cop, anti military, anti white, anti male, blah blah blah and the wokeness shit is fucked up and not helping anything. I don't want Trump or Biden to run again. I want someone kinda in the middle if that's makes sense. Not a confused old man but also not an arrogant ass. I know it's a lot to ask for in Politics.
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Lemme guess. You watch Fox “news”

don’t lie bro
 
Aeroknow

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PadawanWarrior said:
My family was doing better economically under Trump. Our 401k's have taken a shit under Biden. And I just think the whole way the democrats are going is getting too far out there for me. All this anti cop, anti military, anti white, anti male, blah blah blah and the wokeness shit is fucked up and not helping anything. I don't want Trump or Biden to run again. I want someone kinda in the middle if that's makes sense. Not a confused old man but also not an arrogant ass. I know it's a lot to ask for in Politics.
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Your 401k’s went up even higher, for a minute lol, under Biden. All Bidens fault? Really?
401k’s blew the fuck up with Obama even though the GOP in power offered zero help
 
PadawanWarrior

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Aeroknow said:
Lemme guess. You watch Fox “news”

don’t lie bro
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I sleep with the TV on so I'll either have history, sci-fi, or news on. I flip back and forth from FOX and CNN. I use to watch Aljezzera but it's not on DIRECTV anymore. I like to hear both sides views. I don't watch news during the day though, :bigjoint:
 
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