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cannabineer

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Yeah,that captures Russian military practices pretty precisely,which doesn't surprise me although in 1990 Gulf war w/generals showing precision munitions going into doorways I was prepared to see Russian generals showing the same thing at the beginning of the conflict,I mean hell it was 32 yrs later and if Russian tech was 20 yrs behind the West they should have been able to match that level(shocking ineptitude),as well as the combined arms theories the West had demonstrated,What did Russia learn in 32 yrs?. This fiasco looks circa.Stalin to me INCREDIBLE
We had air supremacy from day 1. We sent and spent the black paper-plane 117s on reducing Iraq’s Soviet-sourced and considerable antiair capacity to ineffectiveness.

Russia never gained air superiority in Ukraine, for more than one reason. Otherwise we probably would have seen such video. The campaign would have been much shorter if Russia had taken the air theater. War colleges will be slicing this meat see-through thin for decades to come.
 

printer

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Because it will save what's left of their country. You don't seem to understand, to Russia, Ukraine is uniquely strategic and they will not let the West have it. They will have to defend it to the last Ukranian. Russia will not give up. That's why this situation is so dangerous.
2014, the reason Russia annexed Crimea was the people revolted and drove a Russian puppet from office. Afterwards they had a democratic government elected. Because of this pushed the Russian nationalists in the east to rise up. The playbook was the same as in Kazakhstan, Moldova, Georgia. Russia lights a blaze and comes running in to put it out. Mind you, they do not leave afterwards.

"Russia’s most recent invocation of the term to describe its forces in Ukraine as peacekeepers. Speaking to the media on 22 February the UN Secretary-General, António Guterres, expressed concern “about the perversion of the concept of peacekeeping.” He explained, “When troops of one country enter the territory of another country without its consent, they are not impartial peacekeepers. They are not peacekeepers at all.”

The only reason Ukraine is able to fight is because NATO is throwing the kitchen sink at them to grind Russia down, using them as fodder in their agenda to emasculate Russia. So it's opportunism vs fascism. So you want it both ways too.
And if at any time Russia just packed up its bags and left Ukrainian soil would have Ukraine or Nato followed them to attack the teritory of Russia? No. So your premise is laughable. The reason Putin does not want a democratic government next door is because it might rub off on the Russian people and they might send Putin and his cronies packing.

I do have an axe to grind, and I thought it was painfully obvious, I don't like NATO/US using Ukraine as fodder. You do. Congrats!!!

Anyhoo, off to the pumpkin patch and corn maze with the fam, enjoy sitting here all day being crazy and repeating US propaganda.
It sure is Nato/US putting a gun to the Ukrainian's heads making them volunteer to fight for their country. Nato and the US has been behind the curve in terms of what Ukraine wants to fight with. And the '94 treaty to keep Ukraine free, you seem to wash it away. You seem to ignore it is all on Russia for the state of the day. You would say the wife should negotiate sex with the abusive husband in order to have a harmonious household. In Putin's case he has put it in writing, he wants to build a mini-USSR. And in building it he would swallow up as many of the countries he is allowed, and in time the threat to the West would be greater than it is today.

Also if Russia is allowed to win, then what message does it send to China? Because China has more claim on Taiwan than Russia has on Ukraine. China has been building military installations all over the Sea of China. In doing so they contest the areas claimed by the island nations, nations that have less of a chance of defending themselves as Ukraine has. Try thinking on a broader scale. Your future has more powerful nations allowed to take over smaller ones. A future where treaties do not mean anything. Where do you see the world going in your reality? Allowing repressive regimes to expand, ones that tell its peoples black is white, that limits its citizens to know the truth in order to control them.
 

CCGNZ

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They buy everything from abroad and lost their old Soviet enterprises and many of the high-tech ones were in Ukraine. They did inherit a vast amount of Soviet junk and ammo some of which was upgraded, with western and even Ukrainian parts. They have no industrial base to speak of and education was very low on the priority list all the shit you see that made Russia into a modern looking country were imported using oil money. Vlad was a loser long before this war began, he had over 20 years running the place with a fortune in oil and gas money coming in. The place is a shit hole, and the standard of living is a fraction of that in Europe, no domestic industry developed, and the place is corrupt from top to bottom a fascist kleptocracy run by a despot. It's basically a greatly reduced old Soviet Union with a new economic system, but run by ex KGB, the sword and shield of the party. By any measure Putin is a failure as a leader considering the money he had coming in and the richness of the vast land, they should be living like kings in Russia, not like shit.
He had carefully cultivated this cool,shrewd,balls of steel image as a cagey adversary that he eviscerated w/this blunder,However w/all his doomsday weaponry still in hand Biden was correct in musing the end game here,How does it end if he can't be removed and all blame pinned on him so Russia as a Nation as a People can embark on the long road of remorse and reparation. If he survives a solution acceptable to Ukraine is hard to conjure.Ukraines success has them hungry for more(now the pre-2014 Ukranian borders),far fetched that Vlad relinquishes all this territory w/cock in hand and 0 to show for all this carnage and can the Ukranian people EVER find itself able to forgive.Long odds here and I just hope geiger counters are not needed at some point.
 

printer

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Russia Security Council official says ‘there will be others’ after mass strikes in Ukraine
Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, warned that the Kremlin will launch additional attacks after it pursued mass strikes across Ukrainian cities on Monday.

“The first episode has been played. There will be others,” Medvedev wrote on Telegram.

Russia launched dozens of missiles on Monday that landed in multiple Ukrainian cities — including in Kyiv and areas far from the frontlines — in an apparent response to a bridge explosion over the weekend that stymied a key supply route to the Crimean Peninsula.

Ukraine’s state emergency service indicated at least 11 people died and more than 60 others were injured, with additional widespread reports of electricity outages and structural damage.

“The Ukrainian state in its current configuration with the Nazi political regime will pose a constant, direct and clear threat to Russia,” Medvedev wrote. “Therefore, in addition to protecting our people and protecting the borders of the country, the goal of our future actions, in my opinion, should be the complete dismantling of the political regime of Ukraine.”

Medvedev previously served as president of Russia for four years in between Putin’s terms. Medvedev later became prime minister in 2012, serving for about eight years before joining the Security Council.

Russia’s strikes came the same day as Russian President Vladimir Putin met with the group of national security advisers.

Putin at the meeting characterized Russia’s missile attacks as a response to the partial collapse of a key bridge between Russia and Crimea following a major explosion on Saturday, denouncing it as “terrorism.”

He blamed Ukrainians for the bridge’s collapse, although Kyiv has not claimed responsibility.

“In case of continuation of terrorist attacks on our territory, we will respond in a very harsh manner, and we will respond in level with the level of threats posed against Russian Federation,” Putin said. “Nobody should have any doubt about this.”
 

printer

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Russia and Belarus will deploy a joint group of troops
The heads of Russia and Belarus will deploy a joint regional grouping of troops. This is reported by the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko.

“In connection with the escalation on the western borders of the Union State, we agreed to deploy a regional grouping of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus. <…> The formation of this group has begun,” he said during a meeting on security issues. His words are quoted by BelTA.

Lukashenka specified that if the level of threat reaches a certain level of threat, as at the moment, this group will be involved. Its basis is the army. The head of Belarus also explained that the formation of the group began two weeks ago.

Earlier it was reported that Alexander Lukashenko would hold a meeting with the military bloc. In addition, it was reported that the air defense (air defense) and border service forces on the border with Ukraine are on alert. Lukashenko also stated that he was ready to take part in the special operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine.
 

CCGNZ

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We had air supremacy from day 1. We sent and spent the black paper-plane 117s on reducing Iraq’s Soviet-sourced and considerable antiair capacity to ineffectiveness.

Russia never gained air superiority in Ukraine, for more than one reason. Otherwise we probably would have seen such video. The campaign would have been much shorter if Russia had taken the air theater. War colleges will be slicing this meat see-through thin for decades to come.
Agreed,Russia's air force is highly complicit in this failure,but again they had a 30+yo western blueprint,damn they could have inserted Spetznatz or other special operators to laser designate targets for their pilots thereby pockmarking Ukranian runways and taking out air def radars thus blinding the Ukrainians all of which should have been conducted prior to sending in those absurdly vulnerable bumper to bumper armored columns.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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We had air supremacy from day 1. We sent and spent the black paper-plane 117s on reducing Iraq’s Soviet-sourced and considerable antiair capacity to ineffectiveness.

Russia never gained air superiority in Ukraine, for more than one reason. Otherwise we probably would have seen such video. The campaign would have been much shorter if Russia had taken the air theater. War colleges will be slicing this meat see-through thin for decades to come.
Corruption is why, no fuel to train, it was sold, no parts for planes, they sell them abroad and there is a black market for spares. The air force is the most high-tech and therefore the most corrupt with lots to sell. Much of it was for show as was a lot of the Russian military a Potemkin Village. They lacked precision munitions and could not operate at high altitude out of manpad range and flying low tactical missions with dumb bombs was suicide with thousands of stingers on the ground. They even had commercial GPS devices taped in the cockpit. Add to that they could only operate over territory they controlled or that was being contested and there was and is a steady increase in Ukrainian AA capability.

Russia is a systemic failure; Vlad ran it for 20 years and had a fortune in energy revenue coming in, the people should be living like kings, not shit.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He had carefully cultivated this cool,shrewd,balls of steel image as a cagey adversary that he eviscerated w/this blunder,However w/all his doomsday weaponry still in hand Biden was correct in musing the end game here,How does it end if he can't be removed and all blame pinned on him so Russia as a Nation as a People can embark on the long road of remorse and reparation. If he survives a solution acceptable to Ukraine is hard to conjure.Ukraines success has them hungry for more(now the pre-2014 Ukranian borders),far fetched that Vlad relinquishes all this territory w/cock in hand and 0 to show for all this carnage and can the Ukranian people EVER find itself able to forgive.Long odds here and I just hope geiger counters are not needed at some point.
He fucked himself, know your enemy, know yourself and you will win every time, Vlad knew neither which is why he is gonna lose. Just remember he was a loser who ran Russia for 20 years with a fortune in energy revenue coming into a vast country rich in resources. They should be living like kings, but live like shit, Vlad is responsible for that too. Trump did better running his businesses for FFS, than Putin did running Russia, into the ground.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russia Security Council official says ‘there will be others’ after mass strikes in Ukraine
Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, warned that the Kremlin will launch additional attacks after it pursued mass strikes across Ukrainian cities on Monday.

“The first episode has been played. There will be others,” Medvedev wrote on Telegram.

Russia launched dozens of missiles on Monday that landed in multiple Ukrainian cities — including in Kyiv and areas far from the frontlines — in an apparent response to a bridge explosion over the weekend that stymied a key supply route to the Crimean Peninsula.

Ukraine’s state emergency service indicated at least 11 people died and more than 60 others were injured, with additional widespread reports of electricity outages and structural damage.

“The Ukrainian state in its current configuration with the Nazi political regime will pose a constant, direct and clear threat to Russia,” Medvedev wrote. “Therefore, in addition to protecting our people and protecting the borders of the country, the goal of our future actions, in my opinion, should be the complete dismantling of the political regime of Ukraine.”

Medvedev previously served as president of Russia for four years in between Putin’s terms. Medvedev later became prime minister in 2012, serving for about eight years before joining the Security Council.

Russia’s strikes came the same day as Russian President Vladimir Putin met with the group of national security advisers.

Putin at the meeting characterized Russia’s missile attacks as a response to the partial collapse of a key bridge between Russia and Crimea following a major explosion on Saturday, denouncing it as “terrorism.”

He blamed Ukrainians for the bridge’s collapse, although Kyiv has not claimed responsibility.

“In case of continuation of terrorist attacks on our territory, we will respond in a very harsh manner, and we will respond in level with the level of threats posed against Russian Federation,” Putin said. “Nobody should have any doubt about this.”
84 missiles a day and he doesn't have that many left. It makes the civilians part of the fight with their soldiers and puts them on the front line. The result will be like the Blitz, they are already singing in the subways. Europe appears to be now all in and wants Russia defeated ASAP, it's the only way out for them as far as energy goes. The changing facts on the ground are changing minds, the Russian army looks set to collapse and their eviction from Ukraine looks very possible in the near future. Winter is coming and it's gonna be Hell for the Russians, they are less prepared for it than the Germans were in 1941, the Ukrainians will push their advantage like the Russians did then. They are caught in Ukraine and fucked themselves with corruption, 1.5 million winter uniforms ended up as someone's yacht.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Putin's speechwriter explains Russian leader's day's are numbered
34,859 views Oct 10, 2022 Abbas Gallyamov, a former speechwriter for Russian President Vladimir Putin.
 

ANC

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I wonder if in his mind it is the prequel to nukes... something that he can say," look I gave you a warning first...."

Either way, I can't wait for his ticket to get clipped.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Vindman on Putin's bridge response: Russia is really a one-trick pony
160,739 views Oct 10, 2022 Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman (Ret.) and former US Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor discuss what Russian strikes following the Crimea bridge explosion mean for Russian President Vladimir Putin's military strategy.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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We had air supremacy from day 1. We sent and spent the black paper-plane 117s on reducing Iraq’s Soviet-sourced and considerable antiair capacity to ineffectiveness.

Russia never gained air superiority in Ukraine, for more than one reason. Otherwise we probably would have seen such video. The campaign would have been much shorter if Russia had taken the air theater. War colleges will be slicing this meat see-through thin for decades to come.
yea, i have been seriously wondering about the lack of russian air strikes...the Ukrainians have paper planes compared to them.
there has been speculation that they are holding their airforce back in case of a conflict with NATO, but that doesn't seem likely to me, it would be insane to preserve your airforce for a possible attack while your ground forces are getting humiliatingly savaged.
all i can think of is that they are short good pilots? the men they thought were receiving top class flight training weren't, so their commanders could divert the funds for fuel and maintenance into their own pockets?
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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so Russia as a Nation as a People can embark on the long road of remorse and reparation
they're not going down any long road of remorse...the only regret they feel is that they didn't get out soon enough to avoid getting drafted...Reparations, on the other hand, that road they're going to get drug down by the ears...
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/3587141-assets-seized-from-russia-should-be-used-to-rebuild-ukraine-morawiecki.html

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/rep/release/senators-offer-russian-asset-seizure-legislation
 
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