cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
or a Shahab.
War
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DIY-HP-LED
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Basically, the same as yours, that was the state of the art 50 years or more ago and the Russians have either figured it out or stolen it since. Logic tells me that to avoid fallout with a low yield nuclear weapon, it must put most of its energy into EMP Xrays and neutrons and be detonated high enough off the ground to avoid the vacuum from sucking shit up through the radioactive fireball.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The detailed reports contain local Russian victories.
If it were as cut&dry as I am often tempted to believe, the Ukrainians would likely have driven hard to Mariupol, liberating a population center from probable ongoing barbarity and critically bisecting the theater.
But they haven’t.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have half a memory of the West deciding to abandon plans for development/deployment. The reason iirc was that it was destabilizing at a time we were actively pursuing SALT II.
Roger A. Shrubber
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yeah, the Ukrainians are doing great, but there is some resistance...even in an army as shitty as the russian army, there are a few who know their jobs, or just happen into very good defensive positions completely by accident. they'll eventually be surrounded and outnumbered, but they'll cause some trouble first.
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/04/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-ukrainians-break-through-russian-defences-in-south-advance-rapidly-in-east
11.55 EDT
Russian maps appear to show rapid withdrawals in eastern and southern Ukraine
Russian defence ministry maps appear to show rapid withdrawals of Russian invasion forces from areas in eastern and southern Ukraine where they have been under severe pressure from a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Reuters reports:
The ministry’s daily video briefing made no mention of any pullbacks, but on maps used to show the location of purported Russian strikes, the shaded area designating Russian military control was much smaller than the day before.
In northeast Ukraine, where Russia suffered a rout last month, its forces along a frontline running some 70 km southward from Kupiansk along the River Oskil appeared to have retreated some 20 km to the east, as far as the border of Luhansk province.
This would mean they had vacated the last remnants of Ukraine’s Kharkiv province - where Russia for several months maintained an occupation administration - but for a small patch between the town of Dvorichna and the Russian border.
In southern Ukraine’s Kherson province, Russia’s line of control on the right bank of the Dnipro river had shifted 25 km southward on the map, to a line running westward from the riverside town of Dudchany.
Both areas are battlefields where Ukraine has been reporting advances, albeit without giving full details.
This is where paranoia sets in...Why are all of those men withdrawing? Because they're defeated? Or because they were told to, so that russia could hit the field with a tactical nuke or two?....
11.55 EDT
Russian maps appear to show rapid withdrawals in eastern and southern Ukraine
Russian defence ministry maps appear to show rapid withdrawals of Russian invasion forces from areas in eastern and southern Ukraine where they have been under severe pressure from a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Reuters reports:
The ministry’s daily video briefing made no mention of any pullbacks, but on maps used to show the location of purported Russian strikes, the shaded area designating Russian military control was much smaller than the day before.
In northeast Ukraine, where Russia suffered a rout last month, its forces along a frontline running some 70 km southward from Kupiansk along the River Oskil appeared to have retreated some 20 km to the east, as far as the border of Luhansk province.
This would mean they had vacated the last remnants of Ukraine’s Kharkiv province - where Russia for several months maintained an occupation administration - but for a small patch between the town of Dvorichna and the Russian border.
In southern Ukraine’s Kherson province, Russia’s line of control on the right bank of the Dnipro river had shifted 25 km southward on the map, to a line running westward from the riverside town of Dudchany.
Both areas are battlefields where Ukraine has been reporting advances, albeit without giving full details.
This is where paranoia sets in...Why are all of those men withdrawing? Because they're defeated? Or because they were told to, so that russia could hit the field with a tactical nuke or two?....
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I also wonder if the Ukrainian military is operating close to capacity delivering the death of a thousand rat bites.
In the immortal words of Immanuel Kant: “hey, whatever works!”
BudmanTX
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good question, keep in mind RA is also surrendering as well........https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/04/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-ukrainians-break-through-russian-defences-in-south-advance-rapidly-in-east
11.55 EDT
Russian maps appear to show rapid withdrawals in eastern and southern Ukraine
Russian defence ministry maps appear to show rapid withdrawals of Russian invasion forces from areas in eastern and southern Ukraine where they have been under severe pressure from a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
Reuters reports:
The ministry’s daily video briefing made no mention of any pullbacks, but on maps used to show the location of purported Russian strikes, the shaded area designating Russian military control was much smaller than the day before.
In northeast Ukraine, where Russia suffered a rout last month, its forces along a frontline running some 70 km southward from Kupiansk along the River Oskil appeared to have retreated some 20 km to the east, as far as the border of Luhansk province.
This would mean they had vacated the last remnants of Ukraine’s Kharkiv province - where Russia for several months maintained an occupation administration - but for a small patch between the town of Dvorichna and the Russian border.
In southern Ukraine’s Kherson province, Russia’s line of control on the right bank of the Dnipro river had shifted 25 km southward on the map, to a line running westward from the riverside town of Dudchany.
Both areas are battlefields where Ukraine has been reporting advances, albeit without giving full details.
This is where paranoia sets in...Why are all of those men withdrawing? Because they're defeated? Or because they were told to, so that russia could hit the field with a tactical nuke or two?....
i would think RA is trying to consolidate the line of contact, then again.......
Bagginski
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Hadn’t considered the possibility of us having lost security on that…if Russia has what it takes to build it, I think we’d be well aware: if they had it, they would certainly have used it on Feb. 24th. They would have won overnight by dropping one on each city he wanted to depopulate & occupy intact(ish)…and it would be EXACTLY the sort of dick-swinging big-dog move Pootie’s built his ‘career’ on trying to fake (successfully, up to a point)…and if WE have functioning weapons of the sort, then if Pootie gets fruity with the nukes, we’d only need ONE for his vacation home…then just demand Russia surrender unconditionally, or Moscow & St. Pete get it
I’m not sure a current version would have much of a blast, considering the low-physical-damage aspect.
It occurs to me that it would kill virtually all life in range, not just ‘all people’.
That seems like the biggest dick move of all…wonder what it would do to plant life….
I know…bugs, viruses, cockroaches, The Rolling Stones, Henry Kissinger, but still….
I’m not sure a current version would have much of a blast, considering the low-physical-damage aspect.
It occurs to me that it would kill virtually all life in range, not just ‘all people’.
That seems like the biggest dick move of all…wonder what it would do to plant life….
I know…bugs, viruses, cockroaches, The Rolling Stones, Henry Kissinger, but still….
Bagginski
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I can think of reasons why not
printer
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The State Duma responded to information about the mobilization of cars of Russians
The Lower House does not rule out that the situation may change
Deputies of the State Duma are not discussing the possible seizure of personal vehicles of Russians for the needs of a special operation. Georgy Karlov, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, told Podyom that information about the mobilization of vehicles is nothing more than “rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings.” According to him, "nonsense" of this kind is not discussed in the offices of the Lower Chamber, but Karlov does not rule out that the situation may change.
“And everything that goes around is rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings. There is no such nonsense within the walls of the Duma, at least not yet. There are no conditions, no need for this, and there is no talk about this either within the Defense Committee or in the State Duma as a whole. Let them sleep peacefully, drive, move, do everything in accordance with the law,” Karlov said.
Earlier it was reported that as part of the mobilization for the needs of the army, not only the population, but also personal cars of citizens can be involved. The law "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" lists an extensive list of vehicles of categories M1G, N1G (off-road vehicles and buses) suitable for the military, from Chevrolet Niva and Nissan X-Trail SUVs to UAZs and GAZs.
https://motor.ru/news/cars-sales-30-09-2022.htm?utm_source=readmoreintopic&utm_medium=readmoreoutoftopic3&utm_campaign=analytics
In addition, some Russian regions began to publish orders "On the announcement of mobilization", which spelled out, among other things, the procedure for the departure of citizens. In particular, in Tatarstan and Dagestan, citizens must deliver vehicles for registration, including road construction and lifting vehicles, to military registration and enlistment offices. As BFM clarifies , all cars do not need to be transported: only equipment that can potentially be useful in wartime is taken into account.
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The Lower House does not rule out that the situation may change
Deputies of the State Duma are not discussing the possible seizure of personal vehicles of Russians for the needs of a special operation. Georgy Karlov, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, told Podyom that information about the mobilization of vehicles is nothing more than “rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings.” According to him, "nonsense" of this kind is not discussed in the offices of the Lower Chamber, but Karlov does not rule out that the situation may change.
“And everything that goes around is rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings. There is no such nonsense within the walls of the Duma, at least not yet. There are no conditions, no need for this, and there is no talk about this either within the Defense Committee or in the State Duma as a whole. Let them sleep peacefully, drive, move, do everything in accordance with the law,” Karlov said.
Earlier it was reported that as part of the mobilization for the needs of the army, not only the population, but also personal cars of citizens can be involved. The law "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" lists an extensive list of vehicles of categories M1G, N1G (off-road vehicles and buses) suitable for the military, from Chevrolet Niva and Nissan X-Trail SUVs to UAZs and GAZs.
https://motor.ru/news/cars-sales-30-09-2022.htm?utm_source=readmoreintopic&utm_medium=readmoreoutoftopic3&utm_campaign=analytics
In addition, some Russian regions began to publish orders "On the announcement of mobilization", which spelled out, among other things, the procedure for the departure of citizens. In particular, in Tatarstan and Dagestan, citizens must deliver vehicles for registration, including road construction and lifting vehicles, to military registration and enlistment offices. As BFM clarifies , all cars do not need to be transported: only equipment that can potentially be useful in wartime is taken into account.
В Госдуме отреагировали на информацию о мобилизации автомобилей россиян
Депутаты Государственной думы не обсуждают возможное изъятие личного транспорта россиян для нужд спецоперации. Как сообщил изданию «Подъем» член комитета Госдумы по обороне Георгий Карлов, информация о мобилизации машин — не более чем «слухи, сарафанное радио и прочие недоразумения». По его...
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DIY-HP-LED
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Fogdog
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Who needs a neutron bomb when they have the largest canon ever made on its way to Ukraine?
what is that?
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DIY-HP-LED
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The Lada invasion and free luxury SUVs and gas for the upper officers. Those things don't stop shrapnel and bullets very well. I guess we know how they plan on going from the railheads to combat.The State Duma responded to information about the mobilization of cars of Russians
The Lower House does not rule out that the situation may change
Deputies of the State Duma are not discussing the possible seizure of personal vehicles of Russians for the needs of a special operation. Georgy Karlov, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, told Podyom that information about the mobilization of vehicles is nothing more than “rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings.” According to him, "nonsense" of this kind is not discussed in the offices of the Lower Chamber, but Karlov does not rule out that the situation may change.
“And everything that goes around is rumors, word of mouth and other misunderstandings. There is no such nonsense within the walls of the Duma, at least not yet. There are no conditions, no need for this, and there is no talk about this either within the Defense Committee or in the State Duma as a whole. Let them sleep peacefully, drive, move, do everything in accordance with the law,” Karlov said.
Earlier it was reported that as part of the mobilization for the needs of the army, not only the population, but also personal cars of citizens can be involved. The law "On mobilization training and mobilization in the Russian Federation" lists an extensive list of vehicles of categories M1G, N1G (off-road vehicles and buses) suitable for the military, from Chevrolet Niva and Nissan X-Trail SUVs to UAZs and GAZs.
https://motor.ru/news/cars-sales-30-09-2022.htm?utm_source=readmoreintopic&utm_medium=readmoreoutoftopic3&utm_campaign=analytics
In addition, some Russian regions began to publish orders "On the announcement of mobilization", which spelled out, among other things, the procedure for the departure of citizens. In particular, in Tatarstan and Dagestan, citizens must deliver vehicles for registration, including road construction and lifting vehicles, to military registration and enlistment offices. As BFM clarifies , all cars do not need to be transported: only equipment that can potentially be useful in wartime is taken into account.
В Госдуме отреагировали на информацию о мобилизации автомобилей россиян
Депутаты Государственной думы не обсуждают возможное изъятие личного транспорта россиян для нужд спецоперации. Как сообщил изданию «Подъем» член комитета Госдумы по обороне Георгий Карлов, информация о мобилизации машин — не более чем «слухи, сарафанное радио и прочие недоразумения». По его...
BudmanTX
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where did they dust that thing from....lol
DIY-HP-LED
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It's late medieval Turkish I think.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
refer to text, lower left in that post.
Fogdog
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guess again.
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine update: Russia's unraveling accelerates as Ukraine makes gains on every front
It would be possible to write a post today that was simply a list of villages and towns liberated by Ukrainian forces. And it would still be long. From Kherson to Kharkiv—and at nearly every stop in between—Russia’s army is in retreat, Ukrainian forces...
www.dailykos.com
It would be possible to write a post today that was simply a list of villages and towns liberated by Ukrainian forces. And it would still be long. From Kherson to Kharkiv—and at nearly every stop in between—Russia’s army is in retreat, Ukrainian forces are advancing, and the speed of the change is incredible. Kos was right on when he stated back at the end of August that the Russian Army had culminated. But I don’t think he, or Volodymyr Zelenskyy, anticipated just how extensively, and how rapidly, that Russian army would collapse.
In parts of both Kherson and northern Kharkiv, Ukrainian forces don’t seem to be so much fighting their way past Russian defenses, as they are … strolling into town. And if there’s any shortage the Ukrainian army may be facing at the moment, it could be a shortage of Ukrainian flags.
The spacing and attitude of the guys in this platoon that they are not simply free from enemy fire, but astoundingly relaxed.
The advance that began over the weekend in Kherson was initially focused on the western bank of the Dnipro River, but has since become a general rout all across the northern area that was previously occupied by Russia. As kos pointed out yesterday, not everything has gone perfectly. A column of Ukrainian vehicles was destroyed outside Davydiv Brid, and an effort to occupy that town was apparently forced to retreat across the river under withering fire.
But on Tuesday, the advance from the north has been so rapid, that it’s unclear if Davydiv Brid is still being seriously contested.
Ukraine has advanced over 20km on both the east and west of this area. So far that Davydiv Brid could soon be taken from the north, rather than the west. The bridgehead that Ukraine established across the Inhulets River, and fought so hard to maintain, is just a few kilometers away from being incorporated into this general southward advance.
How did Ukraine pull off such a sudden and apparently complete defeat of Russia in an area where Russia has packed in troops and armor? There seems to be one factor that played a major role: radios.
There have been astonished reports from the beginning of the invasion that, rather than encrypted high-band military radios, Russia was using consumer-grade equipment—essentially walkie-talkies of the sort you might find at a nearby sporting goods store. Additionally, Russian forces have often been communicating en clair, speaking openly of positions and objectives, rather than using any sort of code.
In Kherson, Ukraine seems to have taken advantage of this fact by issuing false orders and reports over these radio bands. Then they reportedly used jammers — readily available for these kinds of radios, but much more difficult for real military communications — to cut Russian forces off from one another. In all the various towns and villages in northern Kherson, Russian forces found themselves receiving a burst of orders, then they were speaking into static. Then a wall of Ukrainian armor came their way.
Isolated and confused, they began to pull back. Overall, Ukraine used Russia’s poor command and control structure, and it’s amazingly bad communications, to turn their northern defensive line into groups of frightened, confused, individuals scrambling to find a safe place. As of mid-day Tuesday in Ukraine, the advance seems to be continuing. In fact, there are reports that the towns at the center of the “in dispute” area above—Novovoskresenske, Chervone, and neighboring villages—have already been liberated.
Russia has a large number of forces west of the Dnipro, and Ukraine is bound to run into a serious defensive line eventually. There is still about 50km between currently known positions and that bridge at Nova Kakhovka. It’s very unlikely that Ukraine will just keep strolling. But already, Ukraine has liberated something close to 900 square kilometers in north Kherson.
Oh, and another convoy of Russian vehicles being loaded onto a barge near Nova Kakhovka reportedly discovered that it was HIMARS O’clock. Whether this barge was heading into, or out of, Kherson isn’t clear.
Meanwhile, in the north…