New mandate for drunk driving detection in all vehicles

[Hook Daddy]

Just curious as to the majority of peoples thoughts on the mandate included in Biden’s Trillion dollar Infrastructure package. It states that all new vehicles, starting sometime later this decade, will have passive drunk or impaired driving detection along with the ability to disable the vehicle. I don’t normally post or comment on political threads but I think things are really getting way out of control.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Just curious as to the majority of peoples thoughts on the mandate included in Biden’s Trillion dollar Infrastructure package. It states that all new vehicles, starting sometime later this decade, will have passive drunk or impaired driving detection along with the ability to disable the vehicle. I don’t normally post or comment on political threads but I think things are really getting way out of control.

If your passengers are spilling drinks??? Sniffer should cut the ignition.

 

[Hook Daddy]

Depends on the method used. They are now talking about cameras watching to see reaction times, facial expressions, etc. Then the cameras are analyzed to see if you might be impaired.

 

[PJ Diaz]

It states that all new vehicles cars..

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Congressional Drunk Driver Detection Mandate Raises Privacy Questions | ACLU

The vague mandate leaves the door wide open for intrusion and the collection of sensitive data.

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One more reason to ride motorcycles.

 

[Hook Daddy]

FIFY

Congressional Drunk Driver Detection Mandate Raises Privacy Questions | ACLU

The vague mandate leaves the door wide open for intrusion and the collection of sensitive data.

www.aclu.org

One more reason to ride motorcycles.

you may be right, I can’t find a mention of bikes. Even if they go with camera recognition a helmet could easily block any real information gathered.

 

[cannabineer]

Depends on the method used. They are now talking about cameras watching to see reaction times, facial expressions, etc. Then the cameras are analyzed to see if you might be impaired.

I am curious to know how an optical recognition system would distinguish drunk from really tired.

 

[Hook Daddy]

I am curious to know how an optical recognition system would distinguish drunk from really tired.

That’s the problem, I don’t think it would. But they would argue you’re just as bad a driver extremely tired as you are drunk, so lives saved all the same.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

FIFY

Congressional Drunk Driver Detection Mandate Raises Privacy Questions | ACLU

The vague mandate leaves the door wide open for intrusion and the collection of sensitive data.

www.aclu.org

One more reason to ride motorcycles.

Under the influence??? No thank you.

I've seen some articles abroad discussing the UDOT mandate of the TSA puffer, failed 911 scam, in all driver assist vehicles leading to all. Isn't Chenney dead yet?

 

[cannabineer]

That’s the problem, I don’t think it would. But they would argue you’re just as bad a driver extremely tired as you are drunk, so lives saved all the same.

I have no trouble with systems that genuinely detect alcohol or other discretionary impairment.

But, as I move about in some pretty lonely country, I would not want to doubt my car if I really have to get home, or at least to Mos Eisley, way past bedtime.

The one thing I expressly dismiss is a libertarian argument. Libertarians, as a class in US, correlate well with those who do not play well with others.

 

[Hook Daddy]

If your passengers are spilling drinks??? Sniffer should cut the ignition.

It doesn’t cut the ignition once driving, if the system sees any signs of impaired driving, the car will warn the driver. If the behavior continues, the car will turn on warning lights, slow down and move to the side of the road.

 

[Hook Daddy]

I have no trouble with systems that genuinely detect alcohol or other discretionary impairment.

I have no problem with a system that works and only does what it’s supposed to, I just don’t think that’s what’s happening. They could make a chemical detection system that would work, and already have them. Instead they are putting in cameras that constantly watch you and are sent out to be analyzed, and turn off your car if they don’t like what they see.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

It doesn’t cut the ignition once driving, if the system sees any signs of impaired driving, the car will warn the driver. If the behavior continues, the car will turn on warning lights, slow down and move to the side of the road.

Total waste. Close cabin doors and intake air for testing while system energizes or boots. Deny locomotion if methyl alcohol is registered at the pre determined level of one above legal in volume of the cabin. Yours for more shady intoxicants.

 

[Grandpapy]

Calm down, it will have to build a base line.

Stay high while it learns my friends.

 

[Hook Daddy]

Oh I'm calm. I’m sure I’ll be long dead before it really has a chance of changing my life, I just think our country is going down the wrong path. I’m not worried about me, I’m worried about my grand kids.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Calm down, it will have to build a base line.

Stay high while it learns my friends.

I just remove the weight and control reductions of ABS and restricting sensors. What's hard about bridging an electronic gadget and disposing of it??

 

[cannabineer]

Oh I'm calm. I’m sure I’ll be long dead before it really has a chance of changing my life, I just think our country is going down the wrong path. I’m not worried about me, I’m worried about my grand kids.

how exactly?

 

[orangejesus]

I don’t normally post or comment on political threads but I think things are really getting way out of control.

Same here; however, 20 years in the auto industry, so I do have some opinions.

All cars sold today have OBD II (on-board diagnostic); OBD III has been proposed/existed for decades, and would report emissions violations directly to the state DMV... with a variety of consequences. The technology for LEOs to remotely disable autos already exists (think over-the-air update), but there are liability concerns when you cut power to a vehicle moving at 90mph.

Ford is proposing in-vehicle security systems (so you can safely leave your MacBook on the passenger seat), which would incorporate - yup - cameras, recording/logging footage/data.

Some of the larger auto insurance carriers promise to discount your rate if you plug in a monitor to your OBD II port (lower left under the steering wheel on all cars), which of course reports all your driving data/habits (how often you speed) to the people that set your insurance rates.

That said, they're focusing on the wrong thing. I review about a dozen police accident reports every day, and while many list DUI/DWI as the main factor many more mention cell phones.
What they should do is mandate all cars to have bluetooth, all phones to be compatible, and if the car detects your phone it locks the phone and forces you to use the controls on the dash/steering wheel

 

[cannabineer]

Same here; however, 20 years in the auto industry, so I do have some opinions.

All cars sold today have OBD II (on-board diagnostic); OBD III has been proposed/existed for decades, and would report emissions violations directly to the state DMV... with a variety of consequences. The technology for LEOs to remotely disable autos already exists (think over-the-air update), but there are liability concerns when you cut power to a vehicle moving at 90mph.

Ford is proposing in-vehicle security systems (so you can safely leave your MacBook on the passenger seat), which would incorporate - yup - cameras, recording/logging footage/data.

Some of the larger auto insurance carriers promise to discount your rate if you plug in a monitor to your OBD II port (lower left under the steering wheel on all cars), which of course reports all your driving data/habits (how often you speed) to the people that set your insurance rates.

That said, they're focusing on the wrong thing. I review about a dozen police accident reports every day, and while many list DUI/DWI as the main factor many more mention cell phones.
What they should do is mandate all cars to have bluetooth, all phones to be compatible, and if the car detects your phone it locks the phone and forces you to use the controls on the dash/steering wheel

My car does not have bluetooth, but I use a headset if I gotta take a call. It should not be hard to allow that.

 

[Hook Daddy]

how exactly?

Like that^. Everyone wants to track your every move for profit or power. I don’t think it’s a good trend to let them, but a bit late for that now I guess.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

My car does not have bluetooth, but I use a headset if I gotta take a call. It should not be hard to allow that.

Over the multi media system. Not your anything. And jam your phone from any other interaction. Stationary to talk text whatever.