rkymtnman
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i felt the same way about the stimulus checks. many didn't need $2000 but they still got it.
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PJ Diaz
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I hear you, but at least with that, all of the people at the bottom of the totem pole did get it. It was also disproportionate due to massive cost of living differences between states. In California, that won't cover a months rent, but in Oklahoma, it would cover your housing costs for half a year.
hanimmal
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Yeah but the problem is when people don’t understand how college works they “think” things that don’t make much sensein real life.
So sure, 2 years at a community college is reasonable to get the pre-read done, and easily paid off. Then you need to transfer to a solid university to graduate with a degree that will get you into a solid grad degree, that bumps you up to about $20-40k in loans, and if you want to get it done in a reasonable amount of time you do need to be full time, which means for every hour of class time you have about 3 outside hours, meaning time for a real job is nonexistent. So paying out of pocket without wealthy enough parents is a nonstarter.
Then to really get the skill set for a good career, you are looking at graduate school which is when shit gets really expensive, and you can easily add on another $60k+ while working your ass off. Then for a great career, getting a doctor will add a couple years and it is hard to get out with less than $150k in loans, while again putting more work in than most people do at regular jobs.
So yeah someone who doesn’t have a family that can afford to pay their way, and since the Republicans killed affordable college back in the 80’s when they killed public funding of colleges, all that is left is for people who want to make a better life using their brain is to take out loans.
https://www.npr.org/2014/03/18/290868013/how-the-cost-of-college-went-from-affordable-to-sky-high
And people who are acting like giving $10-20k off their loans is the End of the world (like the troll in this grads op) when it is really designed to mainly help out the kids who got jammed up when something happened that stopped them from graduating after a couple years are just wrong. It is immensely helpful for the people who desperately need this to get them out from under that monthly bill, and the people who graduated are on average more than paying their fair share of taxes to offset the difference.
I do agree colleges need to get a lot more reasonable now that the last couple generations have paid through the noses to build them up. One thing I really think needs to end is college sports. Make school about school, and save a ton of money and resources.
ActionianJacksonian
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Exactly. I could not agree more. As it stands, every one dollar made available by the government for student loans increases tuition by 60 cents. Let's blow it up.
ActionianJacksonian
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I wasn't here then but I had a lot of shit to talk about the GOP for that. They took us right to the edge of over 1.5-2% inflation then the Dems jumped right over. Every President signs off on more debt than the last, its like a right of passage so but Trump! And but GOP! On this issue I fully agree with you. I'm not going to limit agreeability to half of Politics.
ActionianJacksonian
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Like the current admissions "test" where Asians are penalized purely because of race?
ActionianJacksonian
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What a great example. That poor single mom who paid her student loans or did not go to college is now saddled with debt incurred from upper middle class "kids" who are adult enough to enter into financial agreements.
Thank you for that.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
six times $904 > $2000
and that is rent only; no utilities.
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PJ Diaz
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Rental rates are going up all over. It's still super cheap compared to my county.
Santa Cruz region ranked second most expensive place to live in the country
Santa Cruz outpaced Silicon Valley, Santa Barbara and New York.
www.ksbw.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
so?Rental rates are going up all over. It's still super cheap compared to my county.
Santa Cruz region ranked second most expensive place to live in the country
Santa Cruz outpaced Silicon Valley, Santa Barbara and New York.
My point stands. You exaggerated by a multiple.
PJ Diaz
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Sure, I should have said Missouri instead of Oklahoma. Happy now? My point still stands that these sort of give-backs are generally disproportional.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Still twice your claim in Jackson. Wanna try Kansas City?
PJ Diaz
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HGCC
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Really reaching trying to be trolly?
Again though, what's that have to do with the issue at hand?
Why do you think this harms poor people? The way you are trying to frame your argument doesn't make sense.
cannabineer
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HGCC
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As a former resident, nobody wants to live in kc. It was super cheap though. I can't say I see prices going up much there, no demand.
PJ Diaz
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And Santa Cruz is one of the biggest agricultural communities in the state. According to the local chamber of commerce, 1 out of every 8 local workers is an Ag hire. Do you really think they are paid above minimum wage?
Agriculture
Farming was Santa Cruz’s first industry and remains a keystone of the County’s economy. Agricultural hires 1 out of every 8 local workers; the market value of its products has from $400 million...
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PJ Diaz
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Farm Workers - Growing Up in Santa Cruz
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
migrant labor does not advance your argument.Farm Workers - Growing Up in Santa Cruz
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PJ Diaz
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It's not only migrant farm workers who work in the local ag industry for low wages. Nice try though.