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printer

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Composite construction and some stealthier geometry would be a plus for survivability, usually these things fly at or below treetop level. A low wing makes for high maneuverability and quick response, they are trying to move away from big heavy platforms these days, the Marines cancelled their tanks for example. The addition of a couple of javelins (no front foam blast guard required and a modified aiming and firing system would make it a tank killer from 2 miles away.
Not sure if you are getting it, there is a pod on the bottom to be used for surveillance. Get up close to the clouds and do lazy eights for a few hours. I am guessing repairing one of these might take a sheet of aluminum and a few pop rivets. Don't think composite construction and crop duster fit in the same sentence.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Not sure if you are getting it, there is a pod on the bottom to be used for surveillance. Get up close to the clouds and do lazy eights for a few hours. I am guessing repairing one of these might take a sheet of aluminum and a few pop rivets. Don't think composite construction and crop duster fit in the same sentence.
Well they do fly close to the ground and are designed for it, so I assumed it would be used the same way as a light ground attack plane operating below SAM level but still manpad vulnerable. Flying high and surveillance is the job of drones these days, the smaller and cheaper the better. It would be used in certain situation against forces who would not have the ability to counter it effectively. Composite construction might not be required as much since it is designed to operate seat of your pants low level, across fields, down roads and valleys, below radar detection or lock on capabilities, down in the ground clutter. It was carrying rockets, so the pod could be for target acquisition.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Not sure if you are getting it, there is a pod on the bottom to be used for surveillance. Get up close to the clouds and do lazy eights for a few hours. I am guessing repairing one of these might take a sheet of aluminum and a few pop rivets. Don't think composite construction and crop duster fit in the same sentence.
Bing. They use tactics not unlike attack helos, corrected for fixed wing of course.

What made the Warthog great was fantastic maneuverability. These dusters fly at helicopter speeds and use a fraction of the fuel. They can turn inside everything but a bird or dronelet.

Tactically I expect them to pop over the treeline, release ordnance, and then skedaddle below line of sight.

Five months ago I would have scoffed. But the Russian forces have shown themselves to be a lot less agile than experts expected.

These look like high-value tactical weapons, and can be trained into way quicker and cheaper than jets. Now to design a cheap and cheerful guided munition just right for this airframe.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Bing. They use tactics not unlike attack helos, corrected for fixed wing of course.

What made the Warthog great was fantastic maneuverability. These dusters fly at helicopter speeds and use a fraction of the fuel. They can turn inside everything but a bird or dronelet.

Tactically I expect them to pop over the treeline, release ordnance, and then skedaddle below line of sight.

Five months ago I would have scoffed. But the Russian forces have shown themselves to be a lot less agile than experts expected.

These look like high-value tactical weapons, and can be trained into way quicker and cheaper than jets. Now to design a cheap and cheerful guided munition just right for this airframe.
Start making shoulder launched weapons adaptable for it and drones, use a bigger screen for the Javelins in the cockpit, night vision and it can see very well at night, they could use night vision to operate at night too. You don't necessarily need the latest and greatest, just stuff that works against those you or your allies are fighting had having anti air or anti tank missile reloads that can be used by light aircraft, drones and ground forces would make logistics simpler.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Start making shoulder launched weapons adaptable for it and drones, use a bigger screen for the Javelins in the cockpit, night vision and it can see very well at night, they could use night vision to operate at night too. You don't necessarily need the latest and greatest, just stuff that works against those you or your allies are fighting had having anti air or anti tank missile reloads that can be used by light aircraft, drones and ground forces would make logistics simpler.
They can carry heavier weapons than infantry. A lot of money went into features infantry need but air-launched, not. I wager the Ukrainians with their skill for bodging (and a bit if matériel support) could whip up something good, cheap and plentiful.

What I like most about the story is that the West has been emboldened by this can-do spirit to think outside the box like this. I expect more Modern Solutions in the next months, before General Winter takes command of the theater.

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printer

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"The goal of the plane “to procure a low-cost, reliable, rugged, multi-role, small- to medium-size aircraft system with multiple capabilities currently performed by specialized platforms such as close air support, precision strike, and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance,” SOCOM said in a statement."

Sounds like a low cost helicopter (if you look at it sideways).
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Considering that HIMARS uses guided loads, the smokescreen seems like it is only interfering with Russian logistics.


this goes with that fireworks oopsie video from four weeks ago.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Possible Economy collapse...wonder why?

Yep a couple of years of sanctions and continued low level war around and inside their empire should do them, or Vlad. Developing Ukrainian oil and gas resources would finish them and cut them out of European energy markets until they diminish down need to feed stocks for petrochemicals and fertilizers. Even with sanctions lifted there would be far fewer to sell gasoline to in a decade and green new grid power can come from several sources. Heat pumps and ground heat loops can increase heating efficiency 5X and over a decade with a government kick in the ass a lot can be installed and retrofitted. It will all add up to a very different energy picture in a decade and producing countries are starting to realize this and the trend will not be linear, but will accelerate over time and technological advances hitting the market.

Putin fucked Russia economically and diplomatically, he humiliated the nation and exposed fatal military weakness while opening it up to massive intelligence assaults by multiple players. He stuck his neck out with Joe in the WH and ole Joe knew what to do with it. America is a country the subjected Iran to Hell for decades over embassy hostages and fostered a massive WW1 style trench war with Saddam's Iraq that went on for years. They are still pounding Iran, so I can't imagine what Sammy has cooked up for the Russian for helping to inflict Trump on America. Many movers and shakers in the intelligence and military communities see Putin as responsible for Trump and countless other offenses, so expect nasty things to happen to Russia for as long as required.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
i can't imagine the Ukrainians aren't cooperating...that leaves you one unnecessary guess as to who is stopping them...
maybe we should adopt a policy that a negligent nuclear release in a war zone counts as a military nuking, with appropriate responses. We could inform the UN that Nato is going in hard* to prevent any more nuclear warfare.

*if my conventional scenario has merit, we don’t need to respond with nukes.
 

BudmanTX

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i can't imagine the Ukrainians aren't cooperating...that leaves you one unnecessary guess as to who is stopping them...
Ukrain wants the IAEA to come in and take it over, it's currently under Russian control, and they're using it as a fire base, and storing munitions there....that makes the place very big hot zone, that needs to be taken over by the IAEA themselves and let alone
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
talk about NATO going to war would constitute an existential threat to Russia, justifying use of nuclear weapons.

There is none; the existential threat is merely to the corrupt leadership.

oh and New York Post.

 
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