January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

DIY-HP-LED

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Won't happen in my hood. I live amongst the Muslims.
They would be more concerned than you and their first act on that concern would be to call the Cops in Canada, he wouldn't be armed for long making a fashion statement like that! Then they could have a civilized discussion with him, beat the living shit out of him if he got out of line and then have him charged with a hate crime. I'm glad to be Canadian.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Court documents, national security, the DOJ is on it like stink on shit. More assholes going down, make them own it, indict them as part of the conspiracy, or it's coverup and federal documents crimes, even the national archives will get a crack at them


Jan. 6 text messages wiped from phones of Trump officials
48,455 views Aug 2, 2022 The Defense Department wiped the phones of top departing DOD and Army officials at the end of the Trump administration, deleting any texts from key witnesses to events surrounding the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol, according to court filings.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
To be totally politically incorrect and act like fambly, the Asian women finally figured it out, maybe they will too. I jest.
Living in the Bay Area, I saw a lot of good and bad. On the good side: great authentic food from Thai to Indonesian. The ex and kids loved Little Vietnam in San Jose.

And Berkeley had a Japanese hand-tool store to die for.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It bothers me they don't know to not do bad shit on their work devices. Just...damn.

Can them like they got caught rubbing one out during a zoom meeting.
I do not believe the records are unrecoverable. In fact, the act of recovering them should involve the exhaustive (and rather destructive)
search of the premises and property of anyone of flag rank.
Something to instill a bit of circumspection in the up’n’comers.
 

injinji

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you suck...i live in a tourist town...there's a couple of dozen people in the bathroom at walmart.
we get a lot of magats vacationing here, so not only are the fucking tourists everywhere, getting in the way of everything, they're extra stupid tourists.
My niece bought an apartment on Panama City Beach that they rent out in five day chunks. Sister goes down and cleans it between customers. She doesn't seem to mind the tourists, but I can't stand any of it. We are getting a little of it on the river. But thank the gods, the riverhouse is on a long stretch without outlets so no tubers. Just kayaks and fishermen. We do get lots of boat-ramp traffic coming by the sandhill.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I am indulging in an ethnic prerogative


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well...if ordering a mob to storm the capitol to overturn a legitimate election falls within "the outer perimiters of his presidential responsibilities"....does that not make him responsible for that mobs actions? sounds like some pretty plausible self incrimination right there.
 

printer

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The problem of the messages is that they were never backed up, no place to retrieve them from. If the phones were just sitting around then it might be a good chance of the messages recovered. But the phones are long gone, probably recycled. In the mean time.

DOJ subpoenas Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone
Former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone has been subpoenaed by the Justice Department in an investigation increasingly involving former President Trump’s closest advisors, according to reports from multiple news outlets.

The subpoena comes as the Justice Department has been bringing other White House officials before a grand jury in its probe into Jan. 6.

Cipollone would be able to offer considerable insight into actions at the White House both leading up to and on Jan. 6. His testimony before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack indicates he had numerous concerns about the former president’s plans for the day and how he responded to the riot.

The Justice Department has already brought two former advisors to Vice President Mike Pence before a grand jury.

It has also executed search warrants on Jeffrey Clark, a former Justice Department assistant attorney general who Trump weighed installing as attorney general so he could forward investigations into the president’s baseless claims of election fraud, along with John Eastman. Eastman, a former law professor, crafted memo’s for the campaign advising they submit alternate electoral certificates and that Pence buck his ceremonial duty to certify the election results.

According to ABC News, which first reported the subpoena, Cipollone’s attorney is expected to negotiate his appearance, given the former White House counsel’s concerns around executive privilege.

An attorney for Cipollone did not respond to a request for comment and the Justice Department also declined comment.

“This is probably bad for former President Trump. If he goes in front of the grand jury, it shows that this is more than, you know, what did John Eastman do (The attorney that basically came up with that crazy scheme to overturn the election)? And it probably has a very deep interest in what the president did,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) said in an appearance on CNN’s “New Day” on Wednesday morning.

“The Justice Department knows better what they can, in essence, get around when it comes to saying executive privilege. And so I hope they go at that judiciously. I hope Pat Cipollone actually just tells the truth, I have no doubt that he hasn’t, but there’s no reason to protect particularly criminal behavior or what could potentially be criminal behavior behind executive privilege,” he added.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald's and other's stress level just went up as the WH counsel is hauled in and privilege around criminal acts is swept away.


Fmr. Federal Prosecutor Compares Federal Grand Jury, 1/6 Cmte, As Cipollone Is Subpoenaed
16,027 views Aug 3, 2022 Formal Federal Prosecutor, Glenn Kirschner, joins Chris Jansing to discuss the Pat Cipollone subpoena and the differences in power between a federal grand jury and the January 6 committee.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Pat Cipollone gets a grand jury subpoena. This spells real trouble for Donald Trump & "Team Crazy."
15,728 views Aug 3, 2022 Donald Trump's White House counsel Pat Cipollone testified before the House select committee investigating the insurrection. As we saw during the public J6 committee hearings, Cipollone repeatedly invoked executive privilege to refuse to share information he had about the misconduct and potential crimes of Donald Trump.

That's all about to change because, according to some new reporting from the New York Times, federal prosecutors have served Cipollone with a subpoena to appear before a federal grand jury. The J6 select committee has no real vehicle to test and overcome an asserted privilege and compel a witnesses testimony. However, federal prosecutors have a robust and time-tested vehicle to overcome such privileges and compel Cipollone to testify about what he knows regarding Trump's possible crimes.

This video takes a deep procedural dive into how federal prosecutors challenge and defeat privileges asserted by witnesses, and compel testimony before the grand jury.
 

Fogdog

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They touched on Cippolone's upcoming subpoena to testify before the DOJ grand jury investigating the Jan 6 insurrection. In the vid, there was that statement made that Cippolone was a personal attorney for Trump, he was the attorney for the United States government for the Office of the President.

A bit more on what that means is discussed here:



When Cipollone testified before The Select Committee to Investigate the Jan 6 on The United States Capitol he was obligated to invoke executive privilege when necessary because he was a member of the Executive Branch of government testifying before the Legislative Branch. He had to invoke that privilege as specified in the Constitution to protect the separation of powers between the two branches. By doing so, he wasn't covering for Trump, he was protecting the power of the office of the President.

But testifying before the Grand Jury is different. The DOJ authorized the Grand Jury to investigate the January 6 attack. They are acting under the Executive Branch. Cipollone does not have to protect the executive branch from itself. Nor does Trump have any lawyer-client privilege, because Cipollone was not Trump's personal lawyer. It was clear from the beginning of Trump's conspiracy that Cipollone knew what was going on. Cipollone was present during the WH meetings where Trump discussed his plans to overthrow the election. Cipollone advised Trump what he was discussing was illegal so, Trump can't claim "I didn't know". Now, C goes before the Grand Jury with an obligation as the government's Attorney to the Office of the President to share what he knows, how he advised Trump and what was discussed at those meetings.

Trump is pretty much powerless in this regard. That control freak must be enraged. He's could try another go at his perceived enemies. I would hope the DOJ has stepped up protection of Cipollone for the time being.

Many on this forum perceive Garland as being spineless and weak because he hasn't done much wrt Trump and his absolutely transparent attempt at a coup. I think maybe we interpreted slow and steady progress as weakness. Maybe we were wrong about that.
 
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