Plants are looking terrible and idk why? Coco/Perl + salts

[budtoker221]

Citation needed.

H202 goes into the tissues of the plant and into the buds and you can literally taste it. I didn’t believe it until I did an experiment and drenched my plants with h202 all the way thru flower, I was using about 1/3 of the the amount suggested above. however if you stop the h202 before the buds start forming it might not affect taste much at all imo

 

[BenGman]

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Hey everyone! My plants are still looking terrible

I've managed to raise my temps to 24-27C lights on and 20-22C lights off, I did a plain water flush last week Tuesday and started with daily feeds to run off everyday since then. Its been 9 days and my plants are making no progress.

Im kinda stuck and puzzled on what to do next

Did you raise your lights?

 

[blueberrymilkshake]

What does h202 taste like?

 

[budtoker221]

What does h202 taste like?

Haha this is why I didn’t believe h202 would affect taste, because h202 doesn’t have much of a taste per se, well it does, just not in a conventional way that things like food or weed normally taste.
sometimes I’ve drank (very diluted) h202 as an experimental “oxygen supplement”, here is how I would describe the taste, it has a sharp “bite” to it from the reactive oxygen and “foaming effect” kinda like pop rocks, but obviously not as sweet, instead it’s a bit pungent and bitter, although I’m not sure bitter is the right word. Overall it still doesn’t have much of a taste but that reactive oxygen “bite” you can definitely sense and it “tastes” similiar
To the way strong ozone smells if you’ve ever used an ozone generator.
So I guess the taste of H202 can only be compared to something like the way ozone smells, however upon drinking it as the reactive oxygen does it’s thing, the h202 also imparts a slight nauseating feeling, (or a very strong nauseating effect at a higher concentration since it’s known as an “emetic” in medical terms).
Still I didn’t believe the weed would ever taste like that since they’re couldn’t possibly be any reactive oxygen in the buds at that point.
Still somehow the weed from the h202 experiment somehow imparted that nauseating h202/ ozone flavor in the smoke, and also seemed to wash out the flavor quite a bit like if you leave buds in a room with an ozone generator.

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Haha this is why I didn’t believe h202 would affect taste, because h202 doesn’t have much of a taste per se, well it does, just not in a conventional way that things like food or weed normally taste.
sometimes I’ve drank (very diluted) h202 as an experimental “oxygen supplement”, here is how I would describe the taste, it has a sharp “bite” to it from the reactive oxygen and “foaming effect” kinda like pop rocks, but obviously not as sweet, instead it’s a bit pungent and bitter, although I’m not sure bitter is the right word. Overall it still doesn’t have much of a taste but that reactive oxygen “bite” you can definitely sense and it “tastes” similiar
To the way strong ozone smells if you’ve ever used an ozone generator.
So I guess the taste of H202 can only be compared to something like the way ozone smells, however upon drinking it as the reactive oxygen does it’s thing, the h202 also imparts a slight nauseating feeling, (or a very strong nauseating effect at a higher concentration since it’s known as an “emetic” in medical terms).
Still I didn’t believe the weed would ever taste like that since they’re couldn’t possibly be any reactive oxygen in the buds at that point.
Still somehow the weed from the h202 experiment somehow imparted that nauseating h202/ ozone flavor in the smoke, and also seemed to wash out the flavor quite a bit like if you leave buds in a room with an ozone generator.

Don’t do drugs kids.

 

[ec121]

Haha this is why I didn’t believe h202 would affect taste, because h202 doesn’t have much of a taste per se, well it does, just not in a conventional way that things like food or weed normally taste.
sometimes I’ve drank (very diluted) h202 as an experimental “oxygen supplement”, here is how I would describe the taste, it has a sharp “bite” to it from the reactive oxygen and “foaming effect” kinda like pop rocks, but obviously not as sweet, instead it’s a bit pungent and bitter, although I’m not sure bitter is the right word. Overall it still doesn’t have much of a taste but that reactive oxygen “bite” you can definitely sense and it “tastes” similiar
To the way strong ozone smells if you’ve ever used an ozone generator.
So I guess the taste of H202 can only be compared to something like the way ozone smells, however upon drinking it as the reactive oxygen does it’s thing, the h202 also imparts a slight nauseating feeling, (or a very strong nauseating effect at a higher concentration since it’s known as an “emetic” in medical terms).
Still I didn’t believe the weed would ever taste like that since they’re couldn’t possibly be any reactive oxygen in the buds at that point.
Still somehow the weed from the h202 experiment somehow imparted that nauseating h202/ ozone flavor in the smoke, and also seemed to wash out the flavor quite a bit like if you leave buds in a room with an ozone generator.

How quickly do you think H2O2 decomposes into oxygen and water?

 

[budtoker221]

How quickly do you think H2O2 decomposes into oxygen and water?

In the fridge or freezer a bottle of h202 without stabilizers will last a while, otherwise I’m not sure how fast it breaks down, probably depends on a lot of factors. What context are you referring to?

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

What context are you referring to?

You think H2O2 is taken in through the roots of the plant, drawn up into the buds and causes a bad taste?

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

@YourStonerBuddy How are the plants doing? You never responded to my question if you raised the lights? Or dimmed them?

 

[budtoker221]

You think H2O2 is taken in through the roots of the plant, drawn up into the buds and causes a bad taste?

Basically yeah, but it’s not really a “bad taste” it’s just a slight peroxide taste that in my experience imparts all the attributes of peroxide like a slight nauseating feeling.
However at a very small concentration like 1 tablespoon (3%) per gallon it might not be noticeable. I was using 1/2 teaspoon of 35% per three quarts of water so that would be closer to 4 tablespoons 3% per gallon.

 

[blueberrymilkshake]

Whose your peroxide guy?

 

[twentyeight.threefive]

Basically yeah, but it’s not really a “bad taste” it’s just a slight peroxide taste that in my experience imparts all the attributes of peroxide like a slight nauseating feeling.
However at a very small concentration like 1 tablespoon (3%) per gallon it might not be noticeable. I was using 1/2 teaspoon of 35% per three quarts of water so that would be closer to 4 tablespoons 3% per gallon.

I haven’t seen you post anything accurate yet so you’re going to have to forgive me if I don’t believe you.

 

[ec121]

In the fridge or freezer a bottle of h202 without stabilizers will last a while, otherwise I’m not sure how fast it breaks down, probably depends on a lot of factors. What context are you referring to?

You know, the context of using H2O2 as a root zone sterilizer. One of the reasons many people choose a microbial in DWC over H2O2 is due to the quick half-life of H2O2.

 

[budtoker221]

You know, the context of using H2O2 as a root zone sterilizer. One of the reasons many people choose a microbial in DWC over H2O2 is due to the quick half-life of H2O2.

Yea I know what you mean it breaks down quickly and loses effectiveness as an antimicrobial unless you keep topping it up, (according to what I’ve read, I’ve never used DWC) the information about its use in DWC is what inspired me to try the experiment although I was using it in a perlite/promix and at way higher concentrations than what people are probably using in DWC.

 

[ec121]

Yea I know what you mean it breaks down quickly and loses effectiveness as an antimicrobial unless you keep topping it up, (according to what I’ve read, I’ve never used DWC) the information about its use in DWC is what inspired me to try the experiment although I was using it in a perlite/promix and at way higher concentrations than what people are probably using in DWC.

Coco, peat, DWC... as soon as that shit mixes, its decomposition begins. Did you use stabilized or unstabilized H2O2?

 

[coreywebster]

OK OP

Just to summarise valid points in this thread.

LEDs in cold can be troublesome,

So you've got your temps up, that's good.
Warmer root zone is beneficial too, for example if you were on concrete floors a slap of insulating material between pots and floor will help.

Any time your plant gets stressed and is slow uptake on water this will be amplified by lights too strong , mostly seen in vegative state.
So raise your lights to 24inch . You said your using one board, if you have two then use them but share that power between them, if not just raise the one you have.

PH, should be 5.8 - 6.2 , not up at 6.5.
This isn't your main problem but it isn't helping.

The main issue I can see from your lime green plants is a lack of transpiration due to low temps compounded by high light levels.
This creates more stress and its a vicious circle.

 

[budtoker221]

Coco, peat, DWC... as soon as that shit mixes, its decomposition begins. Did you use stabilized or unstabilized H2O2?

Unstabilized food grade 35%

 

[YourStonerBuddy]

OK OP

Just to summarise valid points in this thread.

LEDs in cold can be troublesome,

So you've got your temps up, that's good.
Warmer root zone is beneficial too, for example if you were on concrete floors a slap of insulating material between pots and floor will help.

Any time your plant gets stressed and is slow uptake on water this will be amplified by lights too strong , mostly seen in vegative state.
So raise your lights to 24inch . You said your using one board, if you have two then use them but share that power between them, if not just raise the one you have.

PH, should be 5.8 - 6.2 , not up at 6.5.
This isn't your main problem but it isn't helping.

The main issue I can see from your lime green plants is a lack of transpiration due to low temps compounded by high light levels.
This creates more stress and its a vicious circle.

Thanks for the reply!

Currently testing run off EC, I'm going in at 1.3EC and run off is between 0.9-1.1EC ph at 6.0

 

[rkymtnman]

What does h202 taste like?

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